12 September 2009

Where does the Truth Lies?


Updates from the Find Madeleine site: Mr Amaral's Book & dvd banned by court order

" We are pleased with the Judge's decision today preventing further distribution and sale of Mr Amaral's book and dvd -'The Truth of the Lie'.

Mr. Amaral's central thesis has no evidence whatsoever to support it. To claim as he did, that Madeleine is dead, and that we, her parents, were in some way involved with her disappearance, has caused our family incredible distress and it continues to do so.

Without doubt, Madeleine will have suffered as a result of the negative effect this book and dvd will have had on the search for her.

Sean and Amelie need protection too from such awful claims.

Hopefully this injunction today will go a long way towards reducing further unnecessary and unjust distress to us all and allow people to concentrate completely on what is important - finding Madeleine."

Incongruence 1

Q – Former inspector Gonçalo Amaral remains convinced of your involvement in Madeleine's disappearance. Did you read 'The Truth of the Lie', the book that he wrote?

Kate and Gerry – No.

Kate – Why would I?

Gerry – I won't learn anything from reading it.

Q – Aren't you curious to know what the book says?

Kate – What for? It must be nothing but a load of rubbish. It is so secondary… It certainly won't help to find our daughter. My consolation is that on the cover he calls her Maddie, the name that the media have invented. We never called her anything like that.

Q – But you do know the theory that Gonçalo Amaral defends: Madeleine accidentally died in the Ocean Club apartment and you concealed the body.

Gerry – It really is a waste of time. And we need all the time that we can get to analyse the investigation's documents, which contain a lot of information that we didn't know about.

Kate – You just have to cross, loosely, his theory with the process in order to understand that the facts that he reports are not correct.

in Expresso Interview

Incongruence 2

Maddie is probably dead, McCanns say

A spokesman for the parents of missing British toddler Madeleine McCann say they have finally accepted that she is probably dead.

It is the first time they have publicly expressed their fear.

The family spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, told reporters that Kate and Gerry McCann are realistic enough to know the likely fate of their daughter.(....)

in ABC

Incongruence 3

A former South African detective with a record of finding missing children was called in by Kate and Gerry McCann. in London Evening Standard

"I am almost 90% sure Madeleine is dead. There is always the slight possibility that she could be held hostage in one of the houses in the area on my map, but I feel this is very unlikely. If her body had been moved, my equipment would tell me she is no longer there." (...)

Krugel has been in regular contact with Madeleine's parents, who have thanked him for his help. But his appeal for them to turn their attentions to the site to help find her body has not been answered

Last year, Krugel claimed to have uncovered a "forensic route" from the McCanns' holiday apartment at the Oceans Club Resort, along paths and roads to a nearby beach. (...)

The sooner we find Madeleine's body, the sooner the police can find out who murdered her," he said. 

in The Star.co.za

Facts from the DVD Process

- According to a preliminary, not final report, made by the Forensic Science Service (FSS) of Birmingham, England, this cellular material belongs to MADELEINE.

- Besides the cadaver scent dog strongly alerted to the room where the McCann couple used to sleep.

- There was also a new strong cadaver scent alert given on KATE's clothes.

- There was also a strong cadaver scent alert in the car used by the couple (since May 27th, 2007), along with the human blood detecting dog's alert to the luggage compartment of that vehicle.

- The before mentioned FSS's Interim Report indicated that there are, resulting from the examinations made to the luggage compartment, biological components that may be compatible with the ones of the minor ; however, this test does not definitely show that the traces originated in MADELEINE's body.

- The cadaver scent dog, as well as the human blood detecting dog, also gave Alert to the key of the before mentioned vehicle. The Laboratory also confirmed the existence of GERALD McCANN's DNA in the key. Furthermore, this last Alert was given by the dog's when the key was placed away from the vehicle and in a place out of sight.

1. Apartment 5 A, Ocean Club resort, the place from where the little girl disappeared:

cadaver scent dog:
*in the couple’s bedroom, in a corner, next to the wardrobe
*in the living-room, behind the sofa, next to the apartment’s side window;

human blood detecting dog:
*in the living-room, behind the sofa, next to the apartment’s side window (exactly in the same place the dead body scent dog gave the alert);

2. Yard area close to apartment 5 A:
cadaver scent dog:
*in one of the flower beds – the trainer commented on the swiftness of the detected scent;

3. Apartment where the other GROUP members were lodged:
*NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs;

4. Current house of the MCCANN couple (at the time the inspection was carried out):
*NOTHING was found in the house by any of the dogs;

5. In the village of Luz:
*NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs;

6. In the clothes and belongings of the MCCANN family;
cadaver scent dog:
*in two pieces of cloth of KATE HEALY
*in one piece of cloth of the minor MADELEINE
*Possibly, in the cuddly toy of MADELEINE (the cadaver scent was detected while the cuddly toy was still inside the house where the family stayed at that time).
*the alert was confirmed outside the house;

7. In the vehicle used by the MCCANN family;
cadaver scent dog:
*alerted to the car key;

human blood detecting dog;
*alerted to the car key;
*alerted to the inside of the car’s luggage compartment;

8. In the vehicle used by a friend of the family, who was lodged in the same resort for some days at the same time:
*NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs:

9. In all vehicles used by the arguido [formal suspect] ROBERT MURAT and by persons close to him:
*NOTHING was found by any of the dogs.

(In a total of ten vehicles, the dead body scent dog and the blood scent dog only alerted to the vehicle of the MCCANN family, rented on May 27)(...)

• Forensic examinations are being carried out to the places and objects marked by the human blood scent dog and to which this dog gave alert.

• Based on the performance of the dog team, revealing the possibility of the presence of a body in the apartment and in the vehicle used by the MCCANN family, and in order to give GERALD MCCANN and KATE HEALY the chance to have their position in the proceedings safeguarded, they were named arguidos [formal suspects], merely due to the possibility of their involvements with a possible cadaver.

-The information gathered at the beginning with the family and friends – a GROUP made up of a total of nine adult persons – reveals some disparities and shows that it is necessary to determine with certainty the precise way these facts have occurred.

-According to the parents and to the other members of the GROUP’s account, they went to have dinner, all of them leaving their children, sleeping, in their own apartments.

-We are aware that, “a posteriori”, they got together in a meeting where they remembered the rules referring to the continuous supervision of the children while they were having dinner.(....)

Following the analysis made to the information obtained from the statements, one of the members of the GROUP, JANE TANNER, became very important due to the information she gave: she saw someone, at dinner time, around 09.15 p.m., crossing the street that provides access to the main entrance of the apartment towards ROBERT MURAT's house, carrying a child.(...)

- We can also perceive hte lack of a consistent version about the alleged sighting of the man carrying the child in what concerns GERALD MCCANN and JANE TANNER's statements, as well as in what concerns JEREMY WILKIN's witness statement, who was in that place, at the mentioned date and time.

- Even the place where, allegedly, they would have passed by each other is not very well explained by none of them.

- Since there was an Alert given by the two dogs (dead body scent/blood), behind the sofa of the living room, it was possible to consider that MADELEINE McCANN's dead body may have been in that place, which originated the gathering of material to be subject to biological examination.(...)

Internal Report

Processos Vol X

Pages 2533 - 2534, Service Information, Date: 2007/09/03

Subject: Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

During the course of the ongoing investigation, various personal contacts were made by the undersigned with Kate and Gerald McCann, within my task of serving as communication element between the police and the McCann couple.

Within this context, the undersigned was present during various “strange“ behaviours by the couple, who gradually began to react in a very negative manner to the increased investigative activity carried out by this police force, especially during the use of the English sniffer dogs for detecting cadaver odour, when more evidence arose in the investigation for the hypothesis of the death of Madeleine McCann.

Several times, the McCann couple said that the attention of the police should be maintained focussing on the abduction hypothesis, which, in the couple’s opinion, was the only scenario that occurred and that the police should not forget to continue to investigate the suspect Robert Murat.

Strangely, Kate also made several requests, three months after the disappearance of Madeleine, that the police should take blood, hair and nail tests of Madeleine’s twin siblings, because, as she said, she remembered that on the day of Madeleine’s disappearance, in spite of all the commotion and noise made by the authorities and other persons who were looking for Madeleine in apartment 5ª of the OC, the twins never woke up, having been transported to another apartment, they remained asleep, due to which she now presumes that they were under the effect of some sedative drug that a presumed abductor had administered to the three children in order to be able to abduct Madeleine, a situation which Kate refers to being possible according to what she read in a criminal investigation manual given to her by the British authorities, that would have been the procedure of the abductor in the real case involving abduction, rape and murder of the girl.

Today, when the undersigned went to the McCann’s temporary residence to notify them of the need to present themselves at the police station to make statements, being able to take their lawyer with them, Kate McCann immediately reacted in a negative manner, making comments such as “what are my parents going to think” and “what is the press going to say when they find out” and that “the Portuguese police is under pressure from the government to finish the investigation quickly”.

With regard to Gerald McCann, he constantly insisted in giving the undersigned letters and emails that he was receiving, mostly from psychics and mediums, whom he had selected and which mainly contained information without much credibility about the possible whereabouts of Madeleine and her presumed abductor.

More recently, and even before Kate’s interrogation, during a telephone call between Gerald McCann and the undersigned, he made a reference regarding the investigation, that he was certain that the police did not have any proof that could incriminate them with regard to the death of Madeleine McCann and he said that the police were wasting their time in directing the investigation around the parents.


The full process translated to English here



42 comments:

  1. Joana,
    you are doing a great job
    With all my respect

    Mathieu

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  2. "the twins never woke up, having been transported to another apartment, they remained asleep, due to which she now presumes that they were under the effect of some sedative drug that a presumed abductor had administered to the three children in order to be able to abduct Madeleine"

    Are we supposed to believe that the abductor managed to break into the apartment, sedate three children, carry Madeleine out, all within the 3\5 minutes the father and friend was stood outside the apartment.

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  3. There was also the area of the cushion of the bed where the child disappeared with the aim
    to detect the presence of a characteristic odor of volatile substances of the type
    chloroform or ether and this research has highlighted negative

    Vol 9 - 2315

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  4. excellent excellent blog, Joana

    Gerry is a strange fish. He thinks if he says "no evidence whatsoever" enough everyone will believe him at face value.
    Rather like a child saying "if I shut my eyes you can't see me".

    EVERYONE READ THE BOOK - and then decide if there's "no evidence whatsoever" or no evidence whatsoever of an abduction

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  5. Excellent work Joana.
    *At the end of May,THEY started to speak about the possibility of death"
    THEY.
    How on earth do they have the cheek to say it is Dr.Amaral"s spiteful mind and all the niceties they have said and are going to say...? It is in the files.What have they been reading?? Looks like the mcDictators havent done their "home work" very well reading the files! WHICH files have they been reading and whats the part they dont get?

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  6. Yes, Joana you're doing such a good job that I fear that you will be receiving a letter from the McCanns' lawyer. You may be next.

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  7. It is incredbile that the McCanns continue to be allowed to say anything they like and no one else is allowed to say anything the McCanns dont like.

    Gerald and Kate McCann are proven liars - just watch their OWN DOCUMENTARY and see how Kate McCann acts, admits she wasnt going to check the children even when she detected the angle of the door was different (a laughable assetion in itself) she went to close the door, not to check the children! Gerald McCann on the Panorama documentary claimed he thought the children might have been sedated, yet neve bothered to have them tested! These people are liars - claiming they never called her Maddie, we have heard them do jsut that on video - are they seriously that stupid or is it that they are that protected?

    Something stinks - and we can't surely be the only ones who think so? Surely the authorities somewhere realise?

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  8. Why is the book not published in English on the internet?

    The people of the world should unite in this flagrant attempt to silence the 'incredible' (Geralds favourite word!) McCanns!

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  9. With 6 doctors in the party, you'd have thought one of them might have suspected that the twins were sedated at the time. not 3 months later.

    Unless of course none of them thought there had been a stranger on the premises.

    I'm mean, for goodness sake. One child has been taken and you don't bother to even check the remaining two....
    the reason is so obvious...

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  10. Worth having a look at:
    http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/03/clarence-mitchell-mccanns-spokesman.htm
    Clarence Mitchell and the possibility of Madeleine being dead:

    "4. Being forced to retract his claim that ‘Madeleine is probably dead’
    During early 2008, Clarence Mitchell was forced to concede that ‘Madeleine is probably dead’. This caused grave embarrassment for the McCanns, who were determined publicly to maintain that Madeleine was still alive. His statement could also have had serious implications for the Fund, which can only continue to operate and keep asking for donations on this premise. Dr Gerald McCann was forced to publicly rebuke his PR chief by insisting on his blog two days later that they remained hopeful that Madeleine was still alive."
    But did they get rid of him?Did they sue him? NO!( why not?)


    Clarence Mitchell said:- "if she's dead then she's dead...but not by their hand"(!)

    Hummm, by whose hands then? It was a group of 9 adults...

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  11. ...he was certain that "the police did not have any proof that could incriminate them with regard to the death of Madeleine McCann"...Gerry McCann


    Very strange remark. Why didnt they simply say they had nothing to with with Maddie's disappearance?

    Note he said "nothing to incriminate them with regard to the DEATH of Madeleine" So they knew and conceded Madeleine was dead. Even in this, he could have said ...."with regard to the disappearance of Maddie"

    Every of they remarks is a sort of self confession - very telling indeed.

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  12. An other lie.
    mccanns say they never called her Maddie. Yes they did. Pamalam has a screen cap from "friends united" page where gerry calls her Maddie. Long before they ever went to Portugal.
    (To play tennis, play tennis, play tennis and loose a child, their first born)

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  13. FANTASTIC, FANTASTIC WORK, Joana!!!!

    Your blog and Maddie Case files site must surely help give Goncalo the ammunition he needs to fight this is Court.

    If there is any justice left in this world, Goncalo must ultimately win this obscene case because the facts are stacked in his favour time and time again.

    Everything the McCanns say can be found to be so untrue, so how can they possibly win this based on lies?

    Come on Goncalo!

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  14. With all the existing overwhelming evidence that Madeleine is no more alive, only fools believe the parents theory (read fairytale). No doubt: it is only with the formidable backing they have, that they can continue with this charade.

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  15. I agree, print out all the statements that Team Mccann have made that show they have mentioned anything remotely to do with her death, this is clear lying under oath if they say that Amaral is the only one saying Madeleine is dead.

    Clear cut case on Appeal, throw out this judge, who clearly thinks they are God if they can rule "worldwide ban"

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  16. In order for 4 couples to have an evening together, leaving their children unsupervised for an agreed period of time, and obviously hoping to have ‘quality adult time’ together, with the minimum of disruption, the logistics behind something like that would have to be very carefully planned indeed. The youngest children in the group were aged just 1, the oldest 3. All 4 couples all have to agree to put their children to bed all at the same time, and all have to guarantee that their children will all be asleep in order for them to get themselves ready and meet each other at 8.30pm. In my world, and knowing what my own and my friends children were like, if we tried to plan something like this I doubt any of us could have guaranteed that our children would all be asleep at the same time as each other, especially children aged just 1 who, in my experience, are prone to teething problems and have not at that age, established a routine. At that age sometimes they require a sleep in the daytime, which can result in their bedtimes being varied. In my experience a good routine with the children did not come about until they were older than this and then still sometimes they would wake during the night. However, in the world of the McCann’s and their friends, this was possible, so it seems. I would like to know what their secret is, how could they all guarantee their children would slumber soundly all at the same time as each other. I do wonder if they had a plan A and a plan B before even arriving at their holiday destination - plan A to try the Main Restaurant and if that proved unsatisfactory (although to my mind would be the better of the two options) then plan B to leave their children alone. If this plan was hatched before they even got there, it would not be unreasonable to think that in order to try to guarantee the sleep of all the children that something like Calpol would have to be administered, whether they were feeling ill or not, and I would think if administered nightly, it could even result in an inadvertent overdose of the system of a very young child.

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  17. Remember. Sociopaths do not crack.

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  18. With regard to the twins sleeping through all the commotion after Madeleine was declared missing, I always thought it strange that the child Gerry McCann was carrying when he got off the plane upon the family's return to the UK was sound asleep on his shoulder; is it normal for a small child to fall asleep on a plane, remain asleep as the person carrying him or her walks off the plane, down the steps into the cold weather, and then stands and is photographed by the press (I think Mr. McCann made a statement to the press, but am not sure)? I thought at the time that it was odd that the little one was sleeping so soundly then. So are the twins particularly heavy sleepers? Or is there something wrong with them, that they sleep so deeply through anything? Or are they perhaps usually given something to make them sleep soundly in potentially difficult situations so they are easier to handle? I'm just wondering. Wondering hasn't been banned yet, as far as I know, although I'm sure the McCanns would ban it if they could...

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  19. Is gerry saying in one point something about causing damages

    to our children

    and

    Madeleine, obviously

    ??

    Are they somehow separate issues??

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  20. @Hummm, by whose hands then? It was a group of 9 adults...

    12/09/09 02:20


    It was a group of adults, maybe one of them did it not with his hands....

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  21. Gerry & Kate McCann might be involved
    2008-02-16 12:45:00
    As we all know now the Madeleine McCann story is coming to the end but David Jones who is an investigator on the case doubts the McCanns innocents Well as we know the Madeleine McCann case is truly gut wrenching, a beautiful child has been the victim of a horrible crime, but here is an investigators view on the case: ‘I have a terrible nagging doubt the McCanns might be involved’


    xxxxxxxxx

    DAVID JONES of THE DAILY MAIL....betrayed madeleine...after a little chat with Mitchel...He later wrote an article saying HE KNOWS the mccanns are innocent...Can David sleep at night I wonder????


    IRONSIDE

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  22. As long as corrupt politicians are able to use a corrupt judiciary for their own ends Dr. Amaral can never win, the fate of Madeleine McCann will remain a mystery and her parents will strut the world stage as celebrities. This is the lesson to be learnt from the recent judgement; this is the aim of the UK and Portuguese governments.

    T4two

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  23. Sunday Express have dug up the letter from Amaral's wife to Kate McCann. Without even mentioning how old the letter is or what the context was (Kate's attack on Amaral I believe).

    However, they have to switch off comments on the story - knowing what the response will be.

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  24. Mr Amaral's wife is now under attack from the uk sunday express. about a poision pen letter to Kate Maccann.

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  25. T4two,
    I am afraid that you are right.
    It's scary.
    I will look how to make an official complaint to EU about this case. Portugal has no right to say which book can be printed in my country. (the worldwide ban) I want take it. We have freedom of speech, and I want to keep it. No Punas or anyone else in Portugal will change that. I will fight.

    Worldwide ban, who the hell they think they are?

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  26. Madeleine’s father, heart consultant Gerry McCann, 41, said one of his private investigators believed Amaral’s book had hampered the 28-month hunt.

    He added: “If people continue to believe she is dead, they will not come forward with information.”


    xxxxxxxx


    When what he is really saying " they will not come forward with money"


    IRON:

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  27. No surprise, they did not print the letter at the time as this would have shown Madam Kate in her true light. Like the trash that journalists have become they kept it for a more appropriate moment.
    Metodo 3 are known for their dealings in drugs and connections with the underworld. I hope and am sure Mr.Amaral has his wife and children well protected...He is not alone although it may look like it, he has many in the force who support him and also agree with the outcome of the investigation.

    The Mccanns fled the country on the Sunday more questioning was to take place on the monday after they had been made arguidos...Top lawyers were already in place...Why?
    IRON

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  28. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80KnSHUN1DU


    Lets remind ourselves of this "Poisen pen letter."



    IRON

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  29. Good question Joana! Where does the Truth lies? Gerry and Kate McCann are only too happy when sueing everybody expecting to fill their pockets with ensuing compensations. But they, for obvious reasons, don't want us to know the Truth by avoiding by all means that the appropriate authorities, Portuguese and British police, investigate the case further. So, please Gerry and Kate, ask the Portuguese police(or the British police if you trust them more)to re-open the case. This way we would know the truth. You have nothing to hide, have you?

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  30. The disreputable dowmarket tabloid Sunday Express are obviously trying to sell a few more newspapers with this rehashed story on their front page. Don't they realise that many people are totally sick of the case and don't believe all that is spouted about poor Madeleine being alive and findable! I think they have scored an own goal this time because those who do read the article may sympathise with Goncalo Amaral, his wife and family, and want to read the book that is denied them.

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  31. Following on from the post 11/9/09 22:44

    'the twins never woke up, having been transported to another apartment'

    ---

    Fiona Payne in her statement to Leicestershire police -

    She noticed that Kate McCann would put her hands on the twin’s bodies to check their breathing. Fiona Payne thought this odd. Dianne Webster also thought it odd that the twins did not wake through all of the kerfuffle, as did staff members of the O.C.

    Was this true?

    If so -

    Why was Kate checking?

    Did Kate McCann think it was odd for the twins to be sleeping through such mayhem, and thought that an abductor had drugged her babies?

    If so why did, the McCann parents not get this checked out immediately at a clinic/hospital? Surely you would be distraught at the thought of a drug (and what drug) having been used on your children?

    Did Fiona Payne as a concerned friend, medical professional, an ANAESTHETIST, not think to ASK Kate McCann why SHE was constantly checking their breathing?

    Did Fiona Payne as an anaesthetist not think to put, 2 + 2 together, or even hazard a guess that Kate McCann may have been checking the breathing as she, Kate was perhaps thinking the abductor had drugged her babies?

    Why did none of these doctor friends check the twins as far as possible to determine if they had been drugged, before getting them checked out absolutely at a clinic/hospital if the suspicion was that they had been drugged?

    Let's face it, even us laymen would have thought if our children slept throughout the noise, and this not being the norm (which it doesn't appear to have been as we know of occasions during the holiday when the twins did wake during the night) that there was a possibility that our babies had been drugged, more especially so if a strange man had been in the apartment with our children and abducted one of them!

    Gerry McCann in one of his documentaries stated that his thoughts were that the twins may have been drugged.

    I think I would have woken my babies to be sure they were fine, to hold them close.

    CNTD

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  32. Was the reason for Kate McCann to constantly check for breathing, that she KNEW the twins had been given 'something' to make them sleep! Was she worried it had been too much?

    Had Madeleine been given too much, and a sleepy child had fallen and been fatally injured?

    Fiona Payne would not necessarily have given thought at all to the possibility of the children, as Kate's dad had said, being given something at night to keep them asleep.

    Was Kate’s dad correct in what he said?

    You have to ask also. Were the twins both sleeping when Kate arrived at the apartment? IF they had been given something to induce sleep, by Kate was it at this 10:00 pm check, earlier that evening, or both times? A 'top-up' at Ten pm!

    Some parents I have heard do this.
    Is it possible one or both twins wakened by say perhaps Madeleine getting out of bed, or when the abductor took her from her bed? Would they have remembered this in the morning, and how well could they speak at age two years to have been able to relate anything of what they may have seen? Some two year olds are pretty smart at speaking!

    Did Madeleine wake when she heard her dad leave the apartment around 9:15 pm got up and fell at this time, as Sr Amaral suggests may have happened?

    CNTD

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  33. “If people continue to believe she is dead, they will not come forward with information.”

    I believe he has also said that people will stop searching. Well I would like to know why they never did anything about the investigation in Portugal being shelved without ever opposing that decision! I hope that question is asked by the legal representation of the editorial company that published the book “Maddie: A Verdade da Mentira”, Guerra e Paz in a Portuguese Court! Afterall McC is in the Media/Press stating that Dr Goncalo Amaral's book could stop people coming forward and could stop people looking. Well imo their inaction by not asking the above is stopping people investigating and looking. Their inaction is stopping the right people looking! They also state in the Press/Media that no law enforcement agencies are looking for their missing child, the onus has been left to them to search and how frustrating that is. How is their not excercising their missing child's right to a law enforcement agency investigating her disappearance helping find her!

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  34. What I find strange is that if Kate immediately thought of abduction. Why oh why would she leave the twins alone again to run to the restaurant?

    I could not have left them in the room alone again, much less the apartment.

    The abductor and or accomplices may still have been around.

    Why did she not scoop these children up and take them with her?

    Why did she not as Sr Amaral said, scream at the top of her voice from the balcony area so as not to leave the twins alone?


    CNTD

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  35. Was this true?

    If so -

    Why was Kate checking?

    Did Kate think also that it was odd for the twins to be sleeping through such mayhem, and thought that an abductor had drugged her babies?

    If so why did the McCann parents not get this checked out immediately at a clinic/hospital Surely you would be distraught at the thought of a drug (and what drug) having been used on your children?

    As a medical professional an anaethetist, why did Fiona Payne not check the children or ask Kate why SHE was constantly checking their breathing?

    Fiona Payne an anaethetist and she did not put 2 + 2 together and come up with the obvious, that Kate was thinking perhaps the abductor had drugged them and this is why she was checking!

    Why did none of these doctor friends check the twins as far as possible to determine if they had been drugged? Let's face it, even us laymen would have thought if our children slept throughout the noise, and this not being the norm (which it doesn't appear to have been as we know of occasions during the holiday when the twins did wake during the night) that there was a possibility that our babies had been drugged.

    I think I would have woken my babies up to be sure they were fine to hold them close.

    CNTD

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  36. The other POSSIBLE reason for Kate McCann to constantly check for breathing was that she KNEW the twins had been given 'something' to make them sleep! Was she worried it had been too much? Had Madeleine been given too much, and a sleepy child had fallen and been fatally injured?

    Fiona Payne would not necessarily have given thought at all to the possibility of the children, as Kate's dad had said, being given something at night to keep them asleep.

    You have to ask also. Were the twins both sleeping when Kate arrived at the apartment? If they had been given something to induce sleep, by Kate was it at this 10:00 pm check, earlier that evening,or both times? A 'top-up' at Ten pm!

    Some parents I have heard do this.

    I wonder too if for instance one or both twins had been wakened by Madeleine say perhaps getting out of bed, or by an abductor would they have remembered this in the morning, and how well could they speak at age two years to have been able to relate anything of what they may have seen? Some two year olds are pretty smart at speaking!

    CNTD

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  37. Did Madeleine wake when she heard her dad leave the apartment, got up and fell at this time, as Sr Amaral suggests may have happened?

    What I find strange is that if Kate immediately thought of abduction. Why oh why would she leave the twins alone again to run to the restaurant?

    I could not have left them in the room alone again, much less the apartment.

    The abductor and or accomplices may still have been around.
    Why did she not scoop these children up and take them with her?

    Why did she not as Sr Amaral said, scream at the top of her voice from that balcony area so as not to leave the twins.

    The big WHY for me is why did these children NOT get checked out at a hospital or clinic? If I thought for an instant that a paedophile had been in that apartment, had taken my daughter, the next horrible thought would be that he/she had touched my babies.

    At this stage she did not know how long any alleged abductor had been in that apartment. He could have been in there for ages doing all sorts of horrible things.

    Kate McCann did not know of Tanner's sighting at this time, so she had no way of knowing if the abductor had been in there for three minutes or three quarters of an hours, since Gerry's check.

    Did Kate McCann run out from the apartment leaving the twins alone and now more vulnerable to alert the others at the tapas, as she knew the twins would be safe as there was no abductor?

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  38. Why were the twins left in their cots for so long afterwards?

    Maybe I am odd, but as a mum whose daughter had disappeared, I would have the twins in my arms, I'd want them close. Not lying in cots while all of this commotion was going. I would have wanted them taken to a friend’s apartment as soon as possible after having made sure that they had not been harmed by drugs or otherwise for them to be watched over, away from apt 5a if police required me to remain there.

    Fiona Payne said that Kate bashed around kicking, punching walls. The police say both McCann's were down on their knees screaming and punching.

    I appreciate fully that we cannot absolutely say what we ourselves would do in this situation, but I can say what I THINK I would do, and it would be to firstly see to and protect my other babies, not to run around an apartment screaming, shouting kicking and banging. My twin babies would be my immediate concern, not how I was feeling, but their safety and wellbeing, I would not want to frighten them by running around in this way.

    To parents our children, their safety and wellbeing come first before all else.

    Yet this does not seem to have been the case with the twins.

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  39. Apologies Astro Joana and Kazlux

    Started to post a rather long one and realised I had sent the same part more than once.

    I will start again if I may with the following thank you
    A.Miller


    Following in on from the post at
    11/09/09 22:44

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    Fiona Payne in her statement to Leicestershire police -
    She noticed that Kate McCann would put her hands on the twin’s bodies to check their breathing. Fiona Payne thought this odd. Dianne Webster also thought it odd that the twins did not wake through all of the kerfuffle, as did staff members of the O.C.

    Was this true?

    If so -

    Why was Kate checking?

    Did Kate McCann think it was odd for the twins to be sleeping through such mayhem, and thought that an abductor had drugged her babies?
    If so why did, the McCann parents not get this checked out immediately at a clinic/hospital? Surely you would be distraught at the thought of a drug (and what drug) having been used on your children?
    Did Fiona Payne as a concerned friend, medical professional, an anaesthetist, not think to ASK Kate McCann why SHE was constantly checking their breathing?
    Did Fiona Payne as an anaesthetist not think to put, 2 + 2 together, or even hazard a guess that Kate McCann may have been checking the breathing as she, Kate was perhaps thinking the abductor had drugged her babies?
    Why did none of these doctor friends check the twins as far as possible to determine if they had been drugged, before getting them checked out absolutely at a clinic/hospital if the suspicion was that they had been drugged? Let's face it, even us laymen would have thought if our children slept throughout the noise, and this not being the norm (which it doesn't appear to have been as we know of occasions during the holiday when the twins did wake during the night) that there was a possibility that our babies had been drugged, more especially so if a strange man had been in the apartment with our children and abducted one of them!
    Gerry McCann in one of his documentaries stated that his thoughts were that the twins may have been drugged.
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  40. What i would really like to know is, how are the McCanns paying for all this legal action, surely it cant be from the one wage going into their household, i know from experience that during my divorce, 10yrs ago, the costs amounted to approx £25,000 just on my side.
    so who's paying?. All the secrecy and political manoevering definately points to the most secret of all, peodophilia! From my past work with NSPCC, i know it reaches from the ordinary person, right through police, the judicial system and governments.
    Jan

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  41. I think I would have woken my babies to be sure they were fine, to hold them close.

    Was it possible that a reason for Kate McCann to constantly check for breathing, that she KNEW the twins had been given 'something' to make them sleep! Was she worried it had been too much? Had Madeleine been given too much, and a sleepy child had fallen and been fatally injured?

    Fiona Payne would not necessarily have given thought at all to the possibility of the children, as Kate's dad had said, being given something at night to keep them asleep.

    Was Kate’s dad correct in what he said?

    You have to ask also. Were the twins both sleeping when Kate arrived at the apartment? IF they had been given something to induce sleep, by Kate was it at this 10:00 pm check, earlier that evening, or both times? A 'top-up' at Ten pm!

    Some parents I have heard do this.

    Is it possible one or both twins wakened by say perhaps Madeleine getting out of bed, or when the abductor took her from her bed? Would they have remembered this in the morning, and how well could they speak at age two years to have been able to relate anything of what they may have seen? Some two year olds are pretty smart at speaking!
    Did Madeleine wake when she heard her dad leave the apartment around 9:15 pm got up and fell at this time, as Sr Amaral suggests may have happened?

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  42. So the McCanns did think that Madeleine was dead. This is taken from The Times 15 June 2007.

    Mr McCann said that in the first few days they had feared that Madeleine, 4, was dead, until the arrival of two trauma specialists, Alan Pike and Martin Alderton, from the Centre for Crisis Psychology in Skipton, North Yorkshire.

    “We couldn’t get out of our heads that she was likely to be dead, and we were truly, truly grieving,” Mr McCann said.

    “But then the psychologist said: ‘Is there any other possibility?’ And then he started channelling negatives and saying: ‘Of course there are other possibilities.’ And we started to see that.”

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