11 October 2009

Sunday Express: All three children drugged

MADELEINE EXCLUSIVE: ALL THREE CHILDREN DRUGGED

By James Murray

The kidnapper of Madeleine McCann drugged her and her twin brother and sister so they would all be quiet while she was snatched.

A duplicate key may also have been used to gain entrance to the holiday apartment where the children were sleeping, say investigators.

It means the monster is still a threat to children living or holidaying on Portugal’s Algarve and must be caught urgently as he is highly likely to reoffend.



Former police detectives David Edgar and Arthur Cowley have spent months re-analysing every shred of evidence.

They are convinced the ­abductor went to the family’s apartment on May 3 2007 fully prepared with sufficient drugs, probably ­chloroform, to knock out all three children.

The fact that Sean and Amelie, then just 18 months old, failed to wake when the alarm was raised, nor even as they were taken to another apartment in the cold night air, has persuaded the detectives that they, too, must have been drugged.

Had the twins been tested for drugs immediately, any ­medication used could have been established, making it easier to identify the kidnapper, but vital time was lost.

Chloroform can be made ­easily and other sedatives, such as the horse tranquilliser ketamine, are commonly in circulation in the criminal underworld.

Even now, however, experts say there may be forensic clues on clothing or bedding which could yield a breakthrough.

The Sunday Express can further reveal that the McCanns’ private detectives are working on a solid theory about exactly how Madeleine was abducted.

Just as television investigator Donal MacIntyre suggested in this paper three weeks ago, they believe there was a dry run prior to the kidnap that fateful night at apartment 5a of the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz.

While checking the layout of the apartment the night before, the kidnapper probably woke Sean, who in turn woke Madeleine. In the morning she had told Kate and Gerry she was frightened.

The fact that the children woke up is thought to have persuaded the kidnapper to use knock-out drugs when he returned the next night to take Madeleine, three.

On the question of the duplicate key, holidaymakers often left front door keys under the doormats during the day.

A theory emerging is that the kidnapper had a duplicate key to apartment 5a, which could have been used on the night to enter by the front door.

Mr Edgar and Mr Cowley do not believe Madeleine was taken through an open window as it would have been awkward, time consuming and there were no forensic clues left behind.

It is far more likely, they say, that he simply walked out of the front door with her in his arms. It had been thought that the front door was double locked, making it impossible to open from the inside, but this doubt falls away if there was a duplicate key.

The theory suggests the ­kidnapper had been targeting the apartment for a long time and had a detailed knowledge of the lock system.



With the front door unlocked, it is easy to simply pull a latch across to open it from the inside.

Another possibility is that the front door was not double-locked when Kate and Gerry left through the unlocked patio doors to join their seven friends at the resort’s tapas bar some 30 metres from their apartment.

Meanwhile it emerged yesterday that the parents of a two-year-old girl who has gone missing in New Zealand are being ­supported by the ­McCanns.

Aisling Symes vanished from a relative’s house in an Auckland suburb on Monday.

Her mother Angela had been close by, standing beside a washing machine.

There have been reports that the girl was later seen with a woman of Asian appearance.

Detectives believe she was ­abducted. Despite repeated ­appeals for help their searches have so far drawn a blank.

Kate and Gerry McCann said their “thoughts and prayers” were with the family.

The little girl’s father, Allan Symes, who is originally from County Waterford in Ireland, made an emotional plea for her return, saying: “These recent days have proven to be the most harrowing of our lives; no sleep and we feel like we’re barely ­existing, just surviving every ­moment, not knowing where ­Aisling is.”

It has also emerged that police in Sweden are trying to find a girl said to bear a resemblance to Madeleine after a photograph was posted on a website.

However, she does not appear to have the distinctive mark Madeleine has in her right eye.

source: Sunday Express, 11.10.2009

Read as well: Now Scotland Yard must step in


77 comments:

  1. 'Mr Edgar and Mr Cowley do not believe Madeleine was taken through an open window as it would have been awkward, time consuming and there were no forensic clues left behind.'


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    Who opened the window and shutter then?


    A.Miller

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  2. 'It is far more likely, they say, that he simply walked out of the front door with her in his arms. It had been thought that the front door was double locked, making it impossible to open from the inside, but this doubt falls away IF there was a duplicate key.

    The theory suggests the ­kidnapper had been targeting the apartment for a long time and had a detailed knowledge of the lock system.

    With the front door unlocked, it is easy to simply pull a latch across to open it from the inside.

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    Gerry McCann entered the apartment by the front door on his check.

    Would Gerry not have noticed (bearing in mind the abductor we are told was already in apartment at this point) that the door lock to the front door was not in the position which it had been when he and Kate left - locked though not double locked?

    If the abductor had, on entry, left the door, so that it could be opened by sliding the latch then Gerry would have to have noticed this on HIS way in to the apartment!

    A.Miller

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  3. The twins had been drugged and their mum did`nt notice? Did she not wonder why they did not wake during the commotion? did she not notice any changes in their behaviour the following morning? Having said that though, she was reported by Fiona Payne to have been prodding their little noses and testing whether they were still breathing whilst they slept. All this must be within the boundaries of good parenting - Mccann style. Oh and don`t forget the vidoe that showed large amounts of medication belonging to Kate`s dad which was found in the apartment along with the police manuals, the interpretation of Murder book and books on child trafficking, and the rosary beads around Maddies photo.

    Naughty abductor, must have stolen the drugs from the apartment then.

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  4. More fairly stories from the Chuckle Brothers who come up with a different version of events every so often to as to be seen earning their money! It's time they stood down and let some other incompetents take their place! They really are clutching at straws.

    Very sad news about the little New Zealand child being snatched and it's heartbreaking for the family of course.

    The problem now is people are getting cynical about child abduction simply because we wonder if they are trying to jump on the McCann's bandwagon.

    The McCann's behaviour in all this will make unscrupulous people put even more children's lives in danger.

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  5. 'The theory suggests the ­kidnapper had been targeting the apartment for a long time and had a detailed knowledge of the lock system.'

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    If he had targeted and had the key for a long time, and knowledge of the locking system (which he must have had as Donal said the abductor did at least one 'dry' run)
    ALSO knowledge we have to assume of the McCann's system of checking on the children, which included leaving the patio door unlocked.

    The abductors wouldn't really have needed a key. They would know that they could enter by the unlocked patio door and exited by the front door which was not double locked.

    WHO OPENED THE WINDOW AND SHUTTER?

    AND WHY?

    A.Miller

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  6. 'Another possibility is that the front door was not double-locked when Kate and Gerry left through the unlocked patio doors to join their seven friends at the resort’s tapas bar some 30 metres from their apartment.'

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    Is Dave telling us that after all of these months he hasn't done the obvious and asked the McCann's if they double locked the front door?

    What a detective!


    A.Miller

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  7. 'With the front door unlocked, it is easy to simply pull a latch across to open it from the inside.'


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    Yip, even when you are carrying a child awkwardly in your arms it is so easy. The abductor perhaps did a 'dry' run on another evening with one of the McCann children!

    A.Miller


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  8. 'The Sunday Express can further reveal that the McCanns’ private detectives are working on a solid theory about exactly how Madeleine was abducted.'


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    I thought we had moved on from how she was taken to WHERE she was taken to - the lair in the wilderness!

    As it has been established by Dave Edgar that this is where Madeleine can be found (albeit it may take 10 years to get there) why is he still trying to figure out how she was taken from the apartment?

    Shouldn't all efforts and FINANCES now be directed on searching the wilderness?

    A.Miller

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  9. 'While checking the layout of the apartment the night before, the kidnapper probably woke Sean, who in turn woke Madeleine. In the morning she had told Kate and Gerry she was frightened.'

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    Did I miss something somewhere?

    I didn't know the abductor had been in the apartment the night before. We don't even know if an abductor was in the apartment the night Madeleine vanished!

    I didn't know either that Madeleine had been FRIGHTENED the night BEFORE?

    Didn't Clarence and the McCann's tell us that what Madeleine said about having cried, that it meant NOTHING? She bounced off happily to play after telling them this?

    Just an incidental, why does Dave think that the abductor woke Sean first? Madeleine was the light sleeper, the one who would wake in the night and go looking for her parents?

    His skills of detection are quite remarkable.

    A.Miller


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  10. Pathetic - it's taken them 2 & a half years to come up with this badly told story

    if I remember correctly, the McCann's refused to have the twins tested.

    Horse tranquilizers??? Horse shit morelike

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  11. 'A duplicate key may also have been used to gain entrance to the holiday apartment where the children were sleeping, say investigators.

    It means the monster is still a threat to children living or holidaying on Portugal’s Algarve and must be caught urgently as he is highly likely to reoffend.'


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    Does it mean that this KEY is a magic KEY that allows this paedophile to open the doors of all of the residents in PDL and ALL of the holiday apartments and hotel rooms?

    Would he not offend again if he did NOT have this key?

    Is it the fact he is in possession of the key which makes him dangerous, or the fact that he is a kidnapping paedophile?

    Or is the object to frighten the living day lights out of the Portuguese people, so that they will all come rushing forward, as we "know" they are withholding evidence of who this paedophile is, or so Dave tells us.

    A.Miller

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  12. So Edgar is admitting that Gerry could be bundleman after all!

    Interesting times ahead methinks!

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  13. 'They are convinced the ­abductor went to the family’s apartment on May 3 2007 fully prepared with sufficient drugs, probably ­chloroform, to knock out all three children.'

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    Well they would not be fully prepared if they arrived with insufficient amounts!

    Funnily enough after all that planning, watching stalking and dry runs, they were not adequately prepared to go unseen! Hell no, he walked outside right at a time when he must have known the McCann's and or others would have been checking. Crossed right in front of three people.

    And his 'outside' accomplice didn't warn him?

    A.Miller

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  14. 'The fact that the children woke up is thought to have persuaded the kidnapper to use knock-out drugs when he returned the next night to take Madeleine, three.'

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    So the coffee, coca cola and sweetie smarties didn't have the right effect on the night of the
    2nd May, kept the kids awake, made them hyper.

    'Drat, it's going to have to be 'KNOCK- OUT drugs' next time' said our well prepared abductor as he skulked out of the apartment, easily opening the front door by sliding the well oiled latch!

    A.Miller


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  15. Er, sorry, so why was the children's bedroom window open? Why had the shutters been interfered with? This was how Kate McCann 'knew' immediately she entered the room that Madeleine had been abducted. Maybe the kidnappers (note that there are more than one, now) wanted to make it look like they had used the window? But that wouldn't make sense, because it would make it obvious that Madeleine had been abducted. It would be more in the kidnappers' interests for people to think she had wandered off, because it would give them more time to get away. And according to one of Kate's Tapas friends, once the alarm had been raised, she kept checking that the twins were breathing. Wouldn't that suggest that she suspected that they had been drugged? In which case, wouldn't she have demanded that they be tested immediately, if she thought a stranger had drugged them? But she didn't. As for lots of holidaymakers leaving keys under doormats - don't make me laugh!! The article also makes the point that Kate and Gerry went out of the unlocked patio doors when they went for dinner. I wonder why, according to Gerry, he went round the long way and in through the front door when he checked on the children? Why would anyone do that? IMO this article is just another damage limitation exercise, trying to foil the objections which have been put forward to the version so far: the version which makes no sense and is unsupported by any evidence.

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  16. 'On the question of the duplicate key, holidaymakers often left front door keys under the doormats during the day.'

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    Aaha!

    Did these holidaymakers not know that to do this would perhaps result in their apartments being robbed and their belongings being stolen, not to mention their kids being endangered if they had left them alone also?

    If this practice was known to the OC would they not have addressed it.

    You see whenever I stay at a hotel etc, the importance of the 'Key' is always stressed, in notices displayed in and around the premise, and of course commonsense, we always carry that around with us.

    I have to ask DID the McCANN's leave their FRONT DOOR KEY under the mat?

    Could the abductor when he stalked and monitored them have noticed this. One day when they were out, could he have stolen the key had a duplicate made and this is how he gained access. Or did he not go to such bother knowing that he could simply take the key from under the mat when the McCann's were out and gain access at any time at all.

    Perhaps these paedophiles were not just with the McCann children on the night of the 2nd and the 3rd of May, but every night during that holiday in the absence of their parents?

    Chilling I know, but if we are to believe Dave and Donal, then this is EXACTLY what could have been happening. These children could have been abused each and every night unknown to their parents as their parents had neglected them.

    If the abductor had a key, no matter where he got it, and did dry runs, watched this family all week. Tell me then of any paedophile who would not have entered that apartment all week and hurt these children.

    He/they would not have been able to help themselves from abusing these little sitting ducks that were the McCann children.

    A.Miller

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  17. 'Mr Edgar and Mr Cowley do not believe Madeleine was taken through an open window as it would have been awkward, time consuming and there were no forensic clues left behind.'

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    Well hallelujah!

    That is what the PJ said fromt he start of the investigation.

    That is what the forensic expert from the UK stated also, and added that he felt it impossible for someone to have exited by this route and not left forensic evidence.

    He stopped short of saying that the open window and shutter were 'staged'

    He had to be careful of saying this absolutely if I recall his words.


    A.Miller

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  18. I have to ask also - Is Dave Edgar actually working FOR the McCann's?

    I ask, as this latest nonsense is not portraying them in a good light at all.

    Or perhaps it is the same as Donal, some think he wrote his article to mock the McCann's theory of abduction?

    Dave is not doing too badly here either if this is the case.

    A.Miller

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  19. i think dave is actually on madeleines side and i think he has a pretty good idea what happend it pdl,and he is trying to tell us in theses articles in the papers. HE KNOWS THE TRUTH OF THE LIE.SO MR MRS MACCANN BE AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID.

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  20. All children drugged? Very possibly.
    Not by an abductor drugging children he did not intend to "take" though, certainly not during a "whoosh-clunk" operation.
    It simply does not make sense.

    More likely, sedated by their anaesthetist mother for a good night's sleep.

    As before, this is almost an admission of guilt, by trying to put a spin to explain known facts, such as the fact that it was virtually impossible to wake up the twins...

    I wonder if the McCanns realise what this sounds like?

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  21. MADELEINE EXCLUSIVE: ALL THREE CHILDREN DRUGGED

    yes and we know who by

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  22. "It means the monster is still a threat to children living or holidaying on Portugal’s Algarve and must be caught urgently as he is highly likely to reoffend."

    The McCanns the British press will not be happy until they completely destroy the Algarve.

    Where the locals went out and searched for Madeleine all night long, took time off work, came back with their feet bleeding.
    While the McCanns never searched...

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  23. yawn......how incredibly boring,inconsistant,pointless,false etc....yawn...been spoiled to better spin than that...yawn...

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  24. 'Even now, however, experts say there may be forensic clues on clothing or bedding which could yield a breakthrough.'


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    Were there not 'clues' found on Kate's clothing, in the car, in the apartment, on the car key?

    Who are these experts who come forward now over 2 years later?

    Have they seized the clothing and bedding for forensic examination

    A.Miller

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  25. And my final question has to be:

    WHO OPENED THE WINDOW SHUTTER AND WHY?

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    Maybe we get to hear about that children, in Dave and Donal's next exciting episode of 'At Home With the McCann's!'

    Regards
    A.Miller

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  26. So we are looking for someone that had a key and knowledge of sedation? Now who do we know that fits that?

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  27. AH! AH! AH! WHAT RUBBISH NEWS ABOUT OLD NEWS. The circus still on....

    We all know that for more then 2 years and PJ and GNR know it from minute one, this is why the police wanted the twins tested at the hospital on the fatidic night but the parents refused to gave permission for that. Without permission from the parents, the police need a permission from the Prossecutor incharged of the case or from a Court or the PJ Head, wich are not available at that night for obvious reason. In the morning the PR and spin machine was already installed with all VIP contacts to the Embassador, G. Brown and Sky News and the Mccann's spread the idea that the twins will get stressed with any test at hospital. I remember Barra da Costa, a criminologist, stating at RTP News that it was an error not having the twins tested for drugs. At that time the PJ was looking for a litle girl which could wonder off by herself or been snatched by somebody. They are not investigating the parents at that point... then why the Mccann's refused to have the twins tested. It was their first strange behavior for public eyes and the doubts about an abduction start raising several minds.

    The twins did not wake-up, even surrounded by A lot of noise, but their parents instead of helping the police with all the suport they can to keep the investigation on the right track, they try to divert the investigation into a very convennient abduction... The only conclusion we can retrieve from that behaviour it is--- THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE MADELEINE WAS AND WHAT HAPEN TO HER AND THEY KNOW THAT A DRUG TEST WILL GAVE IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO THE POLICE TO ACHIEVE A CONCLUSION AND QUICKLY END TO THE INVESTIGATION. PERAPHS MADELEINE'S BODY WILL BE FOUND ON EARLY MORNING BECAUSE PEOPLE CLOSE TO HER WILL BE FORCED TO EXPLAIN THE DRUGS.


    AND KATE..... SOME MONTHS AFTER take the twins to a radical hair cut. Even the little girl came out with a very short hair. Intelligent people understand WHY....To eliminate the traces of drugs which stays on the hair fibres as a print.


    Then why making new News with old News? Because now it is very convennient to stick the abductor with potential drugs...but still a stone on Mccann's shoes: How the abductor, in 3 minutes, gave drugs to 3 childs, took one out trough the window, leave no trace( which means a methodic and calm clean-up) and runaway in the streets to avoid being catched by somebody. Yes... Jane tanner is telling lies, because the abductor never ever will come out of the flat if he saw Gerry in the street and it was easy for him to heard a noise of people talking in the street from inside the flat.

    Then...Most probably there was drugs but who gave that drugs was not an abductor but somebody confident to the kids and who was suposed to care about them. This is why they went for dinner feeling confident that the kids will not wake-up and get involved in an accident. But something went wrong with Madeleine... which can be a side effect, a bad reaction because if people take drugs in a regular basis, to achieve the same results they need to increase the amount of drugs. Madeleine could be victim of an overdose.

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  28. This theory is of course supposition with no evidence to support it. If indeed a duplicate key was used, why was the window and shutter opened?
    This was a short holiday, how long would it take, first to see Maddie and become interested, second to find out where her family were staying, third to watch and gain information about family movements, fourth to perform the dry run/s and finally commit the crime?
    Chloroform, as far as I'm aware has a strong distinct smell and would surely have been noticed on the twins? any other form of drug like ketamine would have taken too long to take effect, only the parents would have time to use them.
    Another point would be, if an abductor had a key, he/she could enter the apartment, grab Maddie and be out again in less than a minute without disturbing the twins. It would not be difficult to restrain a three year old so why would drugs be neccessary?
    This theory seems to be based on lifting suspicions about the parents, rather than proving the abduction theory of which there is no evidence.

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  29. It was suspected very early on in this case that the children had been drugged. Mr McCann even suggested this in a TV documentary.

    Are we now to believe that someone went into the apartment on the 2 May to do a dry run, woke the children and made them cry, left to return to do the dirty deed the following night? Does that not seem a very strange thing to do.

    It's one thing a bank robber checking out a bank when it is open to check on security arrangements and going back when it's closed to rob it but to do a trial run the night before you are about to abduct a child is just ..... well words fail me really.

    Why do the papers print such absolute drivel?

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  30. "ALL THREE CHILDREN DRUGGED" ?

    I like more yesterdays story about the Ford Mustang

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  31. Wasn´t Madeleine sick and
    were treated in hospital before the trip to Portugal?
    Maybe she was´t allright when they went on holliday and something went wrong.
    I think I have read it somewhere but I don´t know where.

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  32. That's right Salsa - I was thinking the same.
    When will the authorities of PDL and the Algarve Tourism board start suing this actual libellous and irresponsible speculation?
    Or this only works for the Mcxxxxx?

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  33. OK! Here we have another moron who prefers to discard the police official files. Have they beans instead of brains? Or are they braindead, brainwashed or have they brains at all. Everybody already knows that Kate McCann kept checking the twins breathing during that night. Why? Was she afraid they were dead (too)? It would be more professional if, before puting pen to paper, these idiotic journalistsCOULD READ the official files and not write this type of garbage.

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  34. Who did open that window and shutter?

    This mornings article has done absolutely nothing other than to make the McCann's, Clarence, their highly paid lawyers and very expensive advisory team as a whole, appear, to use their own words outrageously ridiculous and ludicrous.

    This Dave detective in one fell swoop has ripped the McCann theory of abduction to complete shreds!

    That is of course to those who follow the case. To those who don't, it may appear feasible!

    The purpose of the story is questionable!

    Whatever it's purpose you have to ask what on earth Dave Edgar is playing at? Acting on his own, a loose canon? Or, is he being instructed?

    If he is still on McCann payrol - I think there lies the answer - Always follow the money as they say!

    Regards
    A.Miller

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  35. On the night of the disappearance didn't Kate keep checking if the twins while asleep were still breathing?

    Why wait 5 or 6 months to allow the twins to be tested for drugs?
    Why not do it when the PJ asked?

    Does the new sighting mean that Dr. Amaral's book does not stop people from looking for Madeleine?

    To A. Miller glad you're posting.

    Warm regards

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  36. If The abductor walk out trough the door with Madeleine by hands, why no-one of them leave foot prints , cotton fibres, hair, nothing...on the floor and stairs?

    I know... Marcos Aragao got the answer... when they came out they are already both ghosts...floating leaving no traces. GOOD THEME FOR NEXT HALLOWEEN..... I will go around shops to see if I can find a mask with Gerry face.... It will be a success for next halloween.... The abductor, The litle girl and the botle of Calpol night. ENJOY THE THEME!!!!

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  37. I also believe the children were drugged! Who had the means and thought to have the expertise to drug them in a safe way? Sometimes even a specialist - a doctor, for instance - get the unwanted results.

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  38. Don't forget the comment by Gerry relating to the good thing about the media coverage being that there was so much information out there that it was difficult to know what was true and what wasn't.

    Seems clear to me that Donal McIntyre was not up for anymore of what he got 3 weeks ago for his trouble, so the only ones left to accept the honour are Edgar and Cowley. But like the dogs, the files will not go away.... No wonder the McCanns were so unhappy when they were made public.

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  39. Well I like probably millions of others thought drugs were used to keep these three little children all aged 3 and under asleep. The night before the child disappeared children were heard crying for 75 mins or more before anyone came. The parents of these children were both Doctors therefore you would think that they would have insisted there remaining children be admitted to hospital to be checked not just for drugs but a physical exam also. It is in the case file that the mother kept checking them whilst they slept by placing her fingers under their noses. Now if I were doing that it would be to check they were still breathing. Why would she need to do that? I wonder what this story is a cover for? Hmm the missing pink blanket if it is found it could:

    "Even now, however, experts say there may be forensic clues on clothing or bedding which could yield a breakthrough."

    I will not be surprised WHEN this case is re-opened the McUK Press/Media are inundated with Pink claims that the McC's demanded the re-opening. Interesting times ahead!

    When I saw this video below I thought what bad acting. I also thought my instincts on the 4/5/07 when I first heard this imo made up story were correct!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix6bKUnmOCM

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  40. Fiona Payne stated that Kate McCann spent most of her time the evening Madeleine disappeared alone in her and Gerry's bedroom and not with her twins Sean and Amelie.

    In between times she would kick, scream and punch walls and doors etc.

    She would pop into the children's bedroom periodically to check the twins, (from memory I think Payne said she placed her hand in front of their mouths checking for breathing,I'd have to check again) Payne. an anaesthetist thought this behaviour odd.

    Now had the McCann's, both doctors suspected that the children had been drugged (as Gerry 'pondered' in one of their early documentaries) and, given that one of their children had just mysteriously disappeared –
    Would the first thought of this team of medics, parents foremost, who are the tapas group, not have been, to have these children checked out at a hospital or clinic for either physical or drug harm?

    That is if they were not going to perform the check themselves.

    Payne as an anaesthetist, not a stupid woman I'm sure, thought it odd that Kate checked the twins.

    Even the dumbest of us would have made a wild guess as to why she was doing this!

    As an anaesthetist and Kate's best friend, and in the knowledge that a monster had been in the apartment and carried off Kate's daughter (which Payne had a good idea of now, as Tanner had told her what she had seen. They just thought it best not to tell Kate) she didn't think to check the twins either physically or otherwise?

    I find it incredible that if they thought a paedophile was in their apartment alone with their children that they did not have these children checked out in any way by independent doctors.

    I find it incredible that these children slept throughout Kate and Gerry screaming and wailing, punching and kicking doors. The others said they could hear the screams from their apartments!

    I find it strange that parents would do this, scream kick and punch walls when there were two other babies to be considered. You would not want to frighten them.

    Do we take it that whatever kind of check Kate was doing, as she did not indicate that something was wrong - that all was okay with the twins? Therefore not drugged?

    Does Dave's new theory fit in with Donal's I wonder?

    Classic case of muddying the waters!

    Was the bruising which appeared on Kate's hands the day after the disappearance, caused by punching walls or opening windows and heavy shutters?

    WHO OPENED THE WINDOW AND SHUTTER?

    A.Miller

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  41. Eat your heart out sherlock holmes.

    Surely the sunday Express are taking the piss out of these two clowns, I know you shouldn't laugh but I couldn't help it when reading the story, could they be working undercover for Goncalo Amaral?

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  42. What about the Crying talking sleeping walking Living doll in Sweden, Oh I feel a song coming on.

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  43. First of all, why bother to do a dry run when it could have been one simple final run. If the kidnapper(s) had been studying the appartment over a long period, he or they would have known that the kids were left alone every night and could have taken Maddie any time without a rehearsal.

    As for getting a duplicate of the key, where would the kidnapper have had it done. I've been to PdL once and did not see any place where this could have done. Then he would have had to go to Lagos, that takes times and the parents would have noticed the missing key.
    Talk about risky.

    I shall repeat A. Miller's question:
    Who opened the window and the shutter then?

    Colonel Fabien

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  44. 'Mr Edgar and Mr Cowley do not believe Madeleine was taken through an open window as it would have been awkward, time consuming and there were no forensic clues left behind.' And the children were drugged too, according to the Dynamic Duo.

    Sounds like Charley Farley and Piggy Malone have been spending their valuable time watching Mr Amaral's documentary.

    The Sunday Express is having a laugh, surely?

    Angela

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  45. Dear Dave,

    Now get an article into The Sun which convinces everyone that it wasn't us or your P45s will be in the post and we'll sue the *rse off of yers.

    Love

    Gerry

    T4two

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  46. It seems to me that this latest story is trying to bring this as close as possible to Goncalos theory.Remember there will be a court case next summer for the poor mccanns against Goncalo. I would imagine questions will be asked about the twins and their silence during this whole ordeal.They are tidying up loose ends.IMO....I am thinking that they may bring Hewlett back on the scene. It was reported that he used CHLOR. on one of his victims.
    I am sure they are keeping an eye on him and his illness.
    A.Miller...I am surprised at you, why Kate opened the window to let the smell of chlor from the room, thats how her fingerprints were found to be there. Only thing is ,she has not remembered that yet. Give her time , she will..lol
    The Smarts did the exact same thing tried to pin the alleged abduction on a man who died in prison . The Mccanns are following every step of Ed Smart. I have posted on Brens site some posters who had the guts to post and say just what type of girl Elizabeth Smart was. You may get a shock.

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  47. Why are Edgar and Cowley wasting their time desperately trying to think of how Madeleine could have been abducted when they claim she is in a lair, only 10 miles from Praia da Luz waiting to be found?

    How fortunate this story covers most of the logical reasons why she was not abducted except that the evidence shows it was all done and the apartment was cleaned in only three to five minutes. Ah, of course, I get it, it was Superman.

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  48. I do not know who opened the window and why...we only have the McCanns word on that. When the police arrived the window was closed, by whom and when no one knows. I remember reading somewhere that when the police were told that the window was open, and as when the police arrived they saw it closed, they asked the obvious question, who closed it and when? Amazingly no one seemed to know, no one could remember who had closed it!Incredible, eh?!
    Oh, and let's not forgett that the only fingerprints found on the window were Kate's, in a position that suggested an opening motion. It seems the she indeed opened the window at some point, but why was it closed before the police came? It was such a vital piece of evidence, why close it? Whoever did it, did it with extreme precaution and protection, because he/she did not leave any fingerprints on the window.

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  49. How much are the Express being paid to write this tripe? Any ideas Kennedy? I notice that the Murdoch empire is no longer spinning on behalf of the Mccanns, not since the fall out with Gordon Brown anyway.

    Dave - I think the Express have spun out of control and dropped you and you co-conspirators right in it.

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  50. Charley Farley and Piggy Malone are far more accomplished than the McCann's pretendy cops.
    Once again, a British newspaper publishes another pile of bullplop at the behest of this detestable couple.....why?
    Why is it so, so important that they are never allowed to face charges of any sort?

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  51. As doctors, the McCanns should have thought immediately of the possibility of the twins being drugged. Kate seemed concerned about the children's breath, Fiona noticed it and mentioned it, so why not request for any tests to be done? Why only have them tested months later and in England? If indeed they were tested...we only have the McCanns say-so, no one ever saw proof of any lab results, and in the meanwhile, during those months, the twins had some haircuts, didn't they?...very convenient...

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  52. Remember this, harm is required as a consequence for a charge against the McCann's, we know that there were lawyers involved immediately to guide the McCann's.

    We know that they have been very careful indeed in how they use words.

    This is why they must maintain that Madeleine was not harmed.

    This latest ploy is to divert attention and to create possibility. The idea that this abductor was able to sedate all three children and the good Doctors suspecting it did not have their children tested is, as we all know, nonsense.

    It proves diversionary tactics though!

    Remember this, Gerald and co claimed they had the children tested later and this was used to 'prove' they didnt sedate the children themsleves. Well, if it is to believed that they did have this testing done, it blows the theories out of the water!

    Or were they lying about having had the children tested?

    Do thet really think they can re-write history and invent facts to prove the abduction for which there remains NO EVIDENCE!

    Kate, Gerald, please come clean! We KNOW what you are doing, we know you are not being truthful, stop doing this to your daughters memory!

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  53. More McCann smoke and mirrors, of course the other two children did not awaken during the alarm and initial search.
    All the children were drugged on that night as on other nights.
    Drugged by the children’s parents to enable the McCann’s to attend their swinging parties.
    The difference on that night was Madeleine died possibly from an overdose of drugs administered to keep her quiet and prevent her crying for her parents as she did on previous nights.
    Her body was removed and hidden before any alarm was given
    The so called private detectives could be the down fall of the McCann’s in that maybe now the Portuguese police authorities may reopen the case.
    The McCann’s once again insult Portugal in general and Pria de Luz in particular by suggesting that Portugal is a haven for organised gangs of paedophiles and child molesters.
    When will the Portuguese people and authorities say enough is enough and issue a European Warrant for the arrest and detention of the McCann’s for at the minimum for abandoning their children, not fulfilling their duty of care as parent’s and suspicion of murder?

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  54. It seems that Kate and Gerry are going back to Praia da Luz.
    Could it be they are obliged to,as witnesses in Amaral's reply to their attack?
    As far as I understood, a witness is always obliged to show up, when he/she is called by Justice.
    They have no right as arguidos anymore since their arguidos condition is lifted.
    Yes, you read it well, an.,there is something going on about this case.Amaral was too happy on his birthday.I can't wait!

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  55. ONE MORE SADISTIC JOKE FROM MCCANN CAMP. DISGUSTING!

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  56. wooooosh.....Fantasy has no end

    So in fact we must thank the abductor for opening the window!!

    Otherwise Kate would never have felt the draft and then she never would have checked the children visual !!

    A dead child doesn't cry !!!!!!!!!!

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  57. The abductor does a dry run and two kids wake up while he /she is there. Abductor returns and leaves one of the kids who woke up. The child who woke up that night is not questioned. What a nervy abductor!

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  58. 11/10/09 12:08

    'A.Miller...I am surprised at you, why Kate opened the window to let the smell of chlor from the room, thats how her fingerprints were found to be there. Only thing is ,she has not remembered that yet. Give her time , she will..lol The Smarts did the exact same '

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    Hi Ironside, still laughing here!

    'Kate opened the window to let the smell of chlor from the room'

    --

    As one does of an evening Ironside, as one does! LOL.

    I've seen a few comment recently about the Smart family. I see you have made comment too, I must read up on this. Anything in particular/and article worth taking a look at?

    Thanks
    A.Miller

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    Anna, 11/10/09 10:13

    'To A. Miller glad you're posting.

    Warm regards'

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    Hi Anna, Thank you.

    Very pleased to meet you Anna, always nice to get to know others on the site.

    Kind Regards
    A.Miller

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  59. Would it be smart to drug 3 kids in order to snatch only one ? The time of drugging 2 kids for nothing is sufficient to escape with one.

    "Shouldn't all efforts and FINANCES now be directed on searching the wilderness?" (AM)
    For sure. They could rent a plane and bring to Algarve boy and girl scouts to do the job (for them).

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  60. Remember the video of Gerry tugging his ear when asked by the interviewer if they EVER gave the children something so they would sleep - it sure looked like a guilty tug to keep. There's something fishy about the timing of the Express story on drugging and the Sun item on the "sighting" in Sweden. Possibly the McCanns are concerned the sad story of the darling little girl who is missing in New Zealand is going to overtake their long term agenda.

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  61. Express web site version of this 'story'...

    'Have your say' is unavailable for this story..

    Suprise!

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  62. I've been wondering if the McCanns, knowing Mr. Amaral's book has been selling so well in Europe, have decided to do a U-turn and revise their "theory" to more closely conform to the known facts he presents.

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  63. How I wish we could challenge these stories with the writers and in public in the UK media!

    Propaganda!

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  64. Some great comments. Like your style A Miller - taking them at their word and following it through to the inevitable absurdity.

    To summarise:

    This is damning stuff. These trained doctors and anaesthetists could not ascertain that the twins had been drugged and request an immediate drugs test. Is that what the tacky tecs are saying?

    Alternatively, drug tests undertaken three months later (at the parents' instigation) must be wrong - according to this latest theory from the comic cops - in returning negative results.

    Or if they weren't "wrong" then they are not evidence of the McCanns' not having drugged their children! They can't have it both ways.

    The report says:

    "It is far more likely, they say, that he simply walked out of the front door with her in his arms. It had been thought that the front door was double locked, making it impossible to open from the inside, but this doubt falls away if there was a duplicate key.
    ...


    Another possibility is that the front door was not double-locked when Kate and Gerry left through the unlocked patio doors to join their seven friends at the resort’s tapas bar some 30 metres from their apartment."

    Of course it always surprised me that the possibility of a duplicate key was ruled out by Team McCann at the outset. Surely it was the most obvious way in which someone could access and leave.

    However, now that they are touting the theory we have to ask did none of these very intelligent doctors think to check if the door was double locked. OR are they asking us to believe it was checked and found to be double locked, meaning the abductor took the time and trouble to double lock it on the way out.

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  65. From the Sunday Express article:

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    It means the monster is still a threat to children living or holidaying on Portugal’s Algarve and must be caught urgently as he is highly likely to reoffend.

    END QUOTE

    Yet, in two years, there have been no further abductions in the Algarve, have there?

    Meanwhile, the McCanns' recently hired Portuguese PR team has been trying to brush up their image in Portugal by contributing to this beautiful article in the Portugal News. Here is an excerpt, from the end of the article "Kate and Gerry Set for Luz Return" dated 10/10/09:

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    In an exclusive interview awarded to The Portugal News earlier this year, he said of Praia da Luz: “I can totally understand that people want to move on”.

    “They don’t want the media intrusion and the negative association with Madeleine’s abduction. For me, and this is going right back to 2007 – I didn’t feel any evil around Praia da Luz or anywhere else in Portugal. What happened here could have happened anywhere in the world”, argued a composed and soft-spoken Mr McCann.

    “Actually, the amazing response we had from the community was incredibly important to us”, he said.

    He repeatedly expressed regret at the negative impact his daughter’s disappearance has had on the region.

    “I am sorry for any harm caused to Praia da Luz”, he said, before repeating an earlier request: “I specifically want to thank the local population for all their support and tolerance.”

    On his return to Praia da Luz and the possibility of his wife Kate returning, Mr. McCann told The Portugal News back in April: “Kate and I have been desperate to come back to Praia da Luz, but we haven’t done so due to the media exposure and the controversy such a visit would pose. We want to come back and meet the people, without it being highlighted. There is nothing bad about this resort, it is beautiful. In these difficult economic times we don’t want to worsen things. But I do hope people understand why we are doing what we’ve done. This is a key factor in an investigation strategy. Madeleine is still missing. We need to do everything reasonable to get any information. The best thing for everyone is that she is found and that whoever took her is caught”.

    About Kate McCann returning to Praia da Luz, Mr McCann said: “She’d love to come back. We want to come here and do this as quietly as possible and not to cause disruption.

    “We want to get to the stage where Kate and I coming to Portugal is not a news story.

    END QUOTE

    I suppose they think that the Portugese people do not read the British press to see that the reputation of the Algarve is still being attacked with regard to the McCann case.

    btw, the Portugal News article is open for comment and is willing to print comments from both sides of the issue. There is a delay, after moderation, of up to 48 hours, before the comments will appear.

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  66. Just read a post on Sky Discussions indicating Sunday Express Commentary calling for "Scotland Yard to set up a cold case review team".

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  67. This particular case has, in my opinion, been extraordinary. You read this account today in the Express, and then you find out about alleged reports from a couple of ex-friends of the family on the mccannfiles.com site regarding another doctor from Leicester. It is shocking if this is true, and you wonder what on earth is going on. You are then reminded about an event in August 07: A Portuguese newspaper reports that British sniffer dogs have found traces of blood on a wall in the apartment where Madeleine went missing.
    I also recall there was some report of alleged attempts to clean the walls at that time. There was also a report about a priest in PDL who had some form of a nervous breakdown. Then there's Goncalo Amaral's book. I am no detective but if it hadn't been for the 'fund' and the fact that it has not remained just a police investigation, I would not be considering the various reports now.

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  68. I have not heard of any questions ever being asked of Sean or Amelie. Children of that age can notice,and remember,speak, comment.

    They must both have been in the apartment or witnessed/heard the 'event' when the blood and other body liquids hit the walls.

    If that scene is to be followed logically, they would have seen/heard/smelled the cleaning-up with water, cloths, a mop(?) and perhaps bleach.

    I have always been suspicious of the limp body of Sean as Gerry spoke as they fled to England. The child - in the midst of photographers and an airport (a two year old boy in an airport? think of the excitement!!!)is comatose, slung over Gerry's shoulder. Amelie, a little more awake, has her head clasped by Kate, so that her face cannot be seen. Look at any children the same age when you go through an airport next - they are all attention and awareness. I have never seen limp, out-of-it toddlers being carried on or off-board. Sedation leaves its traces.
    P.S. The burglars I knew never needed keys.They picked any locks, one way or another.
    P.P.S. Why does the Mayor of the Praia da Luz not come out with a resounding defence of the beautiful and unthreatening town, in the face of the latest onslaught from the McCanns. Slander/Libel???
    Lapa

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  69. to A. Miller

    pleased to read your comment(s) on this blog. Spit it all out.

    They are trying to underpin their story with everything and anything.
    A sign of desperation ?

    Question: If the Mc Canns go back to the Algarve and they discover their child will they be getting the reward ?

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  70. So we are supposed to beleive these idiots - one of whom completely failed to notice that low copy DNA was a fundamental debating point which resulted in the McCanns fleeing Portugal - have uncovered 'the truth' from their investigation of the files!

    I cant believe that even the McCanns welcome these morons deductions!

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  71. Anonymous 11/10/09 12:45!!! I AGREE WITH YOUR EVERY SINGLE WORD!
    IT IS SO OBVIOUS!

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  72. EH! EH! EH! Mr. Edgar... Now the kidnaper went two times inside the flat, the night which the litle girl disapeared and the night before:

    "While checking the layout of the apartment the night before, the kidnapper probably woke Sean, who in turn woke Madeleine. In the morning she had told Kate and Gerry she was frightened.

    The fact that the children woke up is thought to have persuaded the kidnapper to use knock-out drugs when he returned the next night to take Madeleine, three."

    AND MR. EDGAR, HE WENT TWO TIMES BUT LEAVE NO TRACES. WHAT A JOB... WHAT A PERFECT professional.
    And the tight check on the kids done by Mccann's and their friends did not dissuade the kidnaper, or are you preparing now a new article to say that the Mccann's did not check the childs? One more change on the story did not mean anything is it? 2 years ago we, the public, already predicted why the story of Madeleine crying on the night before was so important for kate... Most of us commented at the time that this was a story to keep the kidnaper inside the flat on the night before.
    The kidnaper was really a hard and professional worker... He or she took few days to choose the target make a perfect plan and 3 minutes to execute the plan. ALL THE STORY WAS SO PERFECT THEN WE CAN EASILY UNDERSTAND THAT IS A FABRICATION. YOU AND THEM CAN CHANGE THE STORY MANY TIMES.... BUT WHAT YOU CAN"T CHANGE IS THE REALITY... THE ABDUCTION WAS IMPOSSIBLE, NO MATTER IF THERE IS A PERFECT PLAN, A SPARE KEY, A DRUG, CLOROFORM ,etc, etc. Not a single evidence of a strange abductor, unless the abductor was Kate because her fingerprints are at the window and some of her clothes tested positive to cadaver body fluids and Maddie DNA.

    MAYBE, Mr. EDGAR, your next article will be to convince the public that Maddie never ever existed. Was she also a illusion?

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  73. You just couldn't make it up!
    What is it with the UK press?,why do they totally ignore the findings in the case files. Just what are they afraid of that makes them print this crap, or are they being politically correct and hiring retards as journalists.
    Probably believable if you have an IQ of about three.

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  74. Nothing on BBC and Sky websites regarding the Sun and Express articles. Has Mitchell been fired?

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  75. “…at the resort’s tapas bar some 30 metres from their apartment.”

    30 metres! The distance from the apartment to the restaurant is decreasing again – I wonder if hit has something to do with the lunar cycle.

    “…holidaymakers often left front door keys under the doormats during the day.”


    Not sure if this is true either – maybe it is in the reasonable bounds of holidaymakers’ security. Are doormats a feature of Portuguese life? Even now they are more a memory of Victorian times in Britain, no-one I know has a doormat outside anymore – they get wet, blown away or nicked.

    Maybe Dumb and Dumber could ask G & K if they did leave the key under the mat. But if this what they regularly did wouldn’t it have made sense to leave the key under the mat on the night in question so that whoever was doing the checking would just lift the mat to gain entry. Oh, have I just solved the method of entry of the perpetrators?

    In my humble opinion this theory is even more half-baked that the McCann’s official version (whatever that is theses days).

    Mr B

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  76. An anonymous poster said:
    "Yes... Jane tanner is telling lies, because the abductor never ever will come out of the flat if he saw Gerry in the street and it was easy for him to heard a noise of people talking in the street from inside the flat."

    NOT NECESSARILY.
    If Gerry knew the abductor, went into the street to see if the coast was clear, then OOPs along comes Wilkins. So Gerry gets talking to Wilkins and arranges it so Wilkins HAS HIS BACK to the "abductor's" route. Then DOUBLE OOPS along comes Tanner, all Gerry can do is ignore her, hope she doesn't see anything and then play down the incident later.
    Pity Jane Tanner has such blind unquestioning loyalty.

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  77. The detectives working for the McCanns are solidifying a new theory of how the abduction happened – Really ?
    Gone is the theory that he escaped with Maddie through the window.
    Forensic evidence has now convinced even the McCanns that this story is dead in the water.
    The ONLY, repeat ONLY, other explanation as to how Tanner could possibly have seen the abduction happening was if the abductor came through the front door, and the ONLY way that could happen is if he had a key !!
    You don’t have to be Sherlock to work that one out .
    But Oh! how annoying this must be to the McCanns – they needn’t have said that they’d left the patio doors unlocked (bringing the wrath of the World down on them) if they had realised the guy had a front door key !
    And they needn’t have gone to the trouble of opening the window and the shutters, if they had known the guy had a front door key.
    I can see/hear Clarence now “Kate and Gerry are desperately relieved to discover that their leaving the patio doors unlocked did not, after all, contribute to the abduction of Madeleine”
    So there you go – they won’t even have to take the responsibility for that now !!!
    But maybe they could just be shooting themselves in the foot ?
    Surely, SURELY, if an abductor had a front door key, the first time he had seen the McCanns leave their children alone, he would have struck!!
    WHY did he wait !!
    How would he KNOW that the McCanns were going to leave their children again, and again, and again ??
    He DID not know ! He COULD not know !
    HE WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN THAT CHANCE !!!
    I have not heard or seen this opinion to date, but to me it is huge in this matter !!
    Strange then that he struck on the same night, the only night, that the McCanns left the door unlocked !

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