8 November 2009

Gerry McCann: 'Ask the dogs, Sandra'



Transcript, with many thanks to Johanna at unterdenteppichgekehrt.blogspot.com



Sandra: Hello Kate, Hi Gerry. You have called us here, or invited us here to show these two new pictures of how Madeleine might look like now at the age of six and also to watch a video, a new appeal video, but you have been recently together in Lisbon. Have you truely felt that the portuguese public opinion is still with you?

Gerry: I think obviously there has been a lot written that is very negative, and ehm it is inevitable that given so much..., so much was written negative about us, that some people felt that we were involved, that we do feel now, that legal action has been taken and the judicial process has seen that there is no evidence to support what has been written.

Sandra: You are talking about Goncalo Amaral's book?

Gerry: Yeah, but also with the publication of the file in the first place erm an initial process of the criminal erm file and regarding Madeleine's disappearance. You know there is no evidence that we were involved and subsequently the action we have taken recently I think that people are now prepared to continue the search for Madeleine and that is why we are here today asking people to help us trying to get this very important message...

Sandra: But how can you explain that Goncalo Amaral has sold over 175.000 copies defending that you played the keyrole in Madeleine's disappearance?

Kate: I mean I think it's important to remember Sandra, the only victim in all of this is Madeleine erm and that is obviously why we are here today really, we are trying to, we are trying to (sigh) reach that person who knows something, and there is somebody who knows something, not the person who has taken Madeleine, but the person on the periphery, and that might just be erm a colleague of the person, a neighbour, a fami..., you know this person, the abductor, has got a mother, a brother, a cousin, a part of family, so that...

Sandra: Do you believe that the public opinion in Portugal right now after reading the book of Goncalo Amaral erm still can support you? Still can answer to that appeal?

Gerry: Now that's the key point why we are taking action Sandra and that is part of the legal process as you know. There is already an injunction out against the book He is banned from repeating his thesis that Madeleine is dead and we were involved. Now that has been two separate judges plus the original judgemental file have said that thats what we will do with discussing the facts. Thats the correct place to discuss.Goncalo Amaral. And the Book...

Sandra: Are you saying that Goncalo Amaral doesn't have the right to share his opinion, his conviction under the evidence he gathered into a book? He doesn't have freedom of expression to say that and to publish it?

Gerry: There is a difference between freedom of expression and evidence to support a theory. What the judges have said there isn't evidence to support this theory, so he shouldn't be saying it. And is about as much as we want to say about him. You know that's a legal process and we have challenged it, it's been through the judicial process and thats....

Sandra: The files were closed and no thesis won. How can you explain that after Goncalo Amaral, Paulo Rebelo, the next investigator, also pursued this thesis? He also investigated the possibility of you both play the keyrole in Madeleine's disappearance?

Gerry: It was investigated, the evidence was presented to the judiciary, and the judiciary concluded there was no evidence to support that thesis, that's very...

Sandra: No DNA, but how do you explain...

Gerry: No no...

Sandra: ...the coincidence...

Gerry: The DNA is only one aspect of it, there was no evidence to support our involvement in Madeleine's disappearance, that is the key thing. Madeleine is still missing, we are here as her family to continue the search. Now I can't speak for people who have read the book but obviously it doesn't stand up to critical appraisal (?).

Sandra: But this is the first time that you give us a big interview not being arguidos, not being arguidos. Since then. erm. So now I feel free to ask you this directly. How can you explain the coincidence of the scent of cadaver found by british and not portuguese dogs?

Kate: Sandra, maybe you should ask the judiciary because they have examined all evidence. I mean we are also Madeleine's mum and dad and we are desperate for people to help us find Madeleine which is why we are here today. The majority of people are inherently good and I believe the majority of people in Portugal are inherently good people and I am asking them if they will help us spread this message to that person or people...

Sandra: So you don't have an explanation for that?

Gerry: Ask the dogs (smirk) Sandra.

Sandra: Ask the dogs? No Gerry. Now I feel free to ask you, don't you feel free to answer me?

Gerry: I can tell you that we have also looked at evidence about (haha) cadaver dogs and they are incredibly unreliable.

Sandra: Unreliable?

Gerry: Cadaver dogs, yes. That's what the evidence shows, if they are tested scientifically.

Sandra: You read the files, Kate?

Kate: Yes I have read the files.

Sandra: What did shock you most? Any part of the... any detail that...you weren't... aware of? Something that has really surprised you or you didn't find anything?

Kate: Oh I have been through them and I have made notes and I passed that on to our investigation team obviously.

Sandra: And you found any evidence? Of anything?

Kate: Well obviously the only evidence I wanna find is who has taken Madeleine and where she is. They are the key things and until we actually get that bit of information you know we are always gonna feel like we are a long way away. But basically what we are doing is trying to get as much information as we can and trying to put the jig-shaw, jigsaw together, so finally we have the complete picture.

Sandra: And what about your friends? Did you have a pact of silence with your friends?

Kate: (laughing) You know the judicial secrecy?

Sandra: I know it but we don't have it anymore.

Gerry: You have to put it into context of the situation that we were in...

Sandra: But now is the time to explain it...

Gerry: That, ar.. ar... article that was written in June was directly as a result of the journalist phoning all of us, and saying what can you tell us about it and we were under explicit instructions that we were not to talk about the details of the case, under judicial secrecy. So that is all that people did. And I don't think that should be considered a pact of silence.We were told, that's what we were to do. And you wouldn't expect witnesses in other cases in any country to begin divulging information that may be useful to the perpetrator of the crime.



Sandra: Are you still friends? Do you plan another trips together or did it damage...?

Kate and Gerry: No No

Kate: We are still friends. We haven't got any holidays planned but we are still friends. We are in touch with each other, we still meet up and see each other.

Sandra: Don't you agree that there were a lot of details that in a certain way contribute to people to doubt of you, for example, when you went to the Vatican so quickly, all the contacts that you have made. Can I ask you Gerry, if you personally know Mr. Gordon Brown the Primeminister?

Gerry: (moving on his chair uncomfortably) No, and we still, we have never met Gordon Brown. We have spoken to him once on the phone several weeks after Madeleine was abducted. People have got to remember that, and what today is about... good ordinary people wanted to help find an innocent missing child. And that's what happened. Clearly there was a huge amount of media coverage and people wanted to look at ways to help. Our government wanted to assist the investigation to find the missing child.

Sandra: Are they still supporting you, Mr. Gordon Brown still talks to you directly?

Gerry: We have had continued meetings with both the Home Office and also with the Foreign Office to discuss ways in which the search can continue. Obviously today is a prime example of law enforcement-LED initiative with CEOP with... in conjunction with other law enforcement agencies, Interpol, Europol, and you know, the key thing is, that law enforcement believe we can get information from those who may know.

Sandra: How could you explain that Clarence Mitchell left the British Government where he was a press speaker to be your press speaker?

Gerry: Obviously, when Clarence came first out to Portugal working for the Government at that time he came out and spent I think almost three, two to three weeks with us, and he got to know us very very well, and he felt very very passionate about the search for Madeleine and when the opportunity arose, erm, you know, we asked him if he would come back and shield us from the intense media interest and that is what Clarence has done superbly well, and he has become an extremely good friend during this.

Sandra: But he must be paid.?

Gerry: He was paid, that's right

Sandra: And now he must be paid?

Gerry: yeah, but you know...

Sandra: Isn't it difficult for you to pay him?

Gerry: You know, in the first period Brian Kennedy paid his salary and then he was subsequently paid by the fund and now, you know, he works part-time on this, and he is a consultant for Freud Agency, so, you know, as the media interest dropped down, we haven't needed a full-time spokesperson. He still works with us, we are working very closely with him and he has done a brilliant job protecting us and allowing us to have some degree of normality as a family considering the very very intense media interest.

Sandra: You have also hired a new communication agency back in Portugal. Why do you think you need it and is it easy for you to afford it?

Gerry: Well again, it is an agreement that it is funded out of Madeleine's fund. It's a decision that was made by the directors of the fund, because we felt... Kate and I are both directors of the fund, there are nine directors in total, that to really make the search successful we had to present information to the portuguese public, given how much had been written in a negative way about us, and obviously we want to work with someone who understands the portuguese culture and the portuguese media and how we could persuade people that Madeleine is still out there and still can be found....

Sandra: Until when do you think that you will afford all this? Two lawyers in Portugal, a news agency, Clarence Mitchell... I don't know if you still have the two lawyers that you have hired here in London?

Kate: It's not ideal, you know, Sandra. We wouldn't have any lawyers, we wouldn't need any appeal if we weren't in the situation....

Sandra: But don't you feel strangled? Don't you feel that some day you feel it will be finished the money?

Kate: We have to do whatever we can to find Madeleine and obviously we have to look at sort of , you know, if the fund starts to run out we have to try and get more money in, we can't stop...

Sandra: And how do you do it?

Gerry: Well, you know, people have been extremely kind. You have to remember that the fund was set up initially because so many people offered money to try and help and wanted to help and were prepared to donate. We would love nothing better for Madeleine to be found and for the remaining moneys in the fund to go to helping other families of missing children both in the UK and in Portugal, and that is one of our objectives when we have found Madeleine... AND her abductor, then the moneys will be used for that. Obviously if the money runs out... is running out, then we have to look at alternative ways of fundraising erm we have done small events, community events, which have been very good for team building. We have had a small auction in Madeleine's school and the school where the twins are.

Sandra: Do you still have the support of Mr. Richard Branson, JK Rowling, this multimillionaire that initially gave you a lot of money?

Gerry: (burblegurgle) ..an independent investigation that has been funded completely out of Madeleine's fund... I mean an event like today, there is no specific cost for it, and this is obviously the internet, people already have subscriptions, they can do this. There is the willingness of the population to help and I think we will find hundreds of thousands if not millions of people today will forward this link to their contacts in countries all over the world. That is cheap.

Sandra: Do you still have money in the fund?

Gerry: There is some money still in the fund and it continues to be used and we will use every single penny in that fund in the search for Madeleine.



Sandra: You have asked Goncalo Amaral to pay you 1 million euros for damage erm for the defamation for example. Do you need that money to finance the campaign?

Kate: The reason why we have taken action against Goncalo Amaral is the damage that he has done for Madeleine. That's our main focus.

Sandra: Which motives could he have to make up all this story?

Gerry: We can't speak for Goncalo Amaral.

Sandra: But I presume that you think something? Why should an investigator make it up, a story without evidence

Kate: It has to be financial gain, hasn't it?

Sandra: You think that he made this with the commercial perspective?

Kate: You would have to ask him to get the answer to this.

Sandra: So this is your idea?

Kate: It's a possibility, isn't it. I mean I have....

Sandra: You think Goncalo Amaral is trying to win money playing with your, erm your child's life?

Kate: We have to wonder why an ex-inspector of the PJ would want to convince the population that Madeleine is dead, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. And that question should be asked.

Sandra: Do you feel that there is a difference of treatment between the portuguese authorities and the british authorities? In any moment did you feel, or do you feel still, that you were victims of the portuguese investigation?

Gerry: The key victim is Madeleine. I mean, that's what the crime is about. We know we had to be investigated. And we have been investigated.

Sandra: Sorry Gerry, but you Kate said once, that you were feeling bad with what they asked you inside the PJ, trying to get a confession from you...

Kate: I know the truth Sandra, you know what I mean, and all I want to do is find Madeleine and I was upset...

Sandra: So have you forgotten everything that already passed? It's passed for you both?

Kate: The only thing we can do now is look forward, you know, you know. There is lessons to be learned by everyone ourselves included, from what's happened. But, all we want to do is find Madeleine and the only way of doing that is by looking forwards and trying to be proactive and see what we can do now, which is why this message has gone out today.

Sandra: Did you go back to work? Are you working already?

Kate: I am working full time in the campaign to find Madeleine. I am looking after Sean and Amelie.

Sandra: You don't have any plans to go back to the clinic?

Kate: No I don't, no I don't

Sandra: You don't. And talking about the twins. Now the time is passing. Two years and a half since Madeleine disappeared. They are growing up. How will you be able to explain them what happened one day they have the age to really understand it?

Gerry: It's like filling in a picture for them with the information we have available and we will give them as their minds inquire, and as they are able to handle that information, then we will answer all of their questions openly and honestly.

Sandra: But what will you tell them

Gerry: Well, we will answer the questions. So what they ask us we will tell them. And we tell them exactly what happened and what information we know. And what we do know, is that we are continuing to look for their sister. They want people to look for their sister.

Sandra: But will you go into details about what happened?

Kate: We will be led by them. We have had avice from a child psychologist and they said Sean and Amelie would lead the way. If they ask a question answer them honestly. We are not gonna rush them, but if they ask something, then obviously we will answer them.

Sandra: They are in the same school where Madeleine was?

Gerry: Well she didn't get a chance to start yet so, she was there, her place is there, and the twins are there now.

Sandra: The room, Madeleine's room is still the same?

Kate: The bedroom? Yeah, it's quite a few more presents in it now, but yeah, it's still the same.

Sandra: And what do you keep telling the twins whenever they ask for her? I presume that they ask about her a lot of times?

Kate: Well they know she is missing, you know, and they know we are looking for her, and they also say things to me like, if they see things like a Madeleine sticker or a poster, they say "look Mummy they are helping to find Madeleine with us", and they might point at other people saying "Mummy are they helping us to find Madeleine?" and you know, so *shrugs*

Sandra: Is it still very hard for you or are you getting used to this reality? Are you trying to live with it?

Kate: You have to, I think, you have to adapt and you have to function. And if we want to look after Sean and Amelie, and if you want to search for Madeleine, then you have to function. Erm. I am obviously stronger than I was say a year ago, and, obviously the emotion is still there...but...*sigh*

Gerry: Well we do as much as we possibly can to ensure that the twins see us happy, and see us happy with them, and they give us a tremendous amount of joy, and our life, you know, on a day-to-day basis superficially would look like any other family with two young children. Obviously one of our children is missing. And they know that and they know that that's not good and they want her back and they understand why on occasion, you know, that we are particularly upset and... we all want Madeleine back to be a complete family again, but the twins are coping fantastic...

Sandra: You told me once that you are both living a nightmare. In your more optimistical perspective, what do you imagine, what do you think, it could be the best way to recover Madeleine.

Gerry: I think, the first thing today is that this message, it can be downloaded and distributed, be heard and seen by someone who knows, and it well tweak their conscience and get them to give information to bring Madeleine back.

Sandra: The last lead that you have shared with us was about a women in Barcelona. Has this anything to do with this appeal? (Kate shakes head?) Is it for that, that you are asking the relatives of people that can be involved in her disappearance, to call you?

Gerry: I think the first thing to say is that the investigation is to be dealt with by professionals and obviously we have got David Edgar working for us or law enforcement as a project (?). Today is about this appeal. It is completely separate. It is going out in seven different languages, we want it to be spread as far and as wide as possible because we don't know where Madeleine is and we don't know who took her and that's why we need the public's help to spread the email, an email to all your contacts. I know you have already done it, Sandra.

Sandra: Thank you very much to you both.


Psst! You must see the 'cartoonified' interview to the McCanns at The McCann Gallery!





78 comments:

  1. ask the dogs,what an idiot.the mccanns are pure scum.

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  2. The new video, A minute for Madeleine, is not yet placed on Findmadeleine.com.

    And it is Gerry's site.

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  3. What an utterly, utterly cheap comment! I saw the interview, Sandra is incredibly smart and eloquent, but these two need language courses, in English! And a course in manners and charm too, please.

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  4. Many thanks for this transcript. I hope it'll go all over the net.
    What a ghastly couple.

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  5. Thanks Joana, I had hoped that Sandra would mention when going through the Files' Kate were you not surprised by Mrs.Fenns statement...'...Maybe next time...

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  6. Venant de revoir la si parlante vidéo des chiens dans la voiture et l'appartement des Mccann, et après la spirituelle boutade de Gerry, je trouve qu'on devrait remplacer la désormais obsolète expression: "donner sa langue au chat", par sa version moderne: "donner sa langue aux chiens".
    En Mccann dans le texte.

    Voltaire

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  7. Instead she asked an ASS .... He comes off as such fool.

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  8. Ask the dogs.
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    an evil answer.

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  9. "Yeah, but also with the publication of the file in the first place"

    Imo I think they thought that the case file would be handed to them and them alone when the case was shelved. For their eyes only! For them to divulge what they wanted to divulge to the public via the press and media. I will not be surprised if super-injunctions have been imposed on the UK press and media preventing them from divulging to the UK public any information contained within the publicly available file. How long before the same may apply to the Portuguese press and media?


    zodiaczephyr

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  10. People who know what happened to Madeleine(not the offender himself) and that are now confronted with this last appeal video, still need some time to think about it, time to discuss this secret issue with their partners,relatives, friends, neighbours and colleagues before they go to the police station.

    Let us be patient.

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  11. Well, the dogs answered! But with his answer he just shows his utter stupidity and arrogance. From his mouth nothing else could be expected, anyway. ~x(

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  12. When I think of the two years I spent believing these people and praying for Madeleine, I am infuriated. They are lying scum. I still pray for Madeleine, but I no longer believe she is alive and that her parents were guilty of nothing more than an aberration of the moment when they left her and his siblings alone while they went out drinking. I now believe they are guilty of pernicious child neglect and possibly fraud.

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  13. Speaking of the twins Gerry McCann said:

    “What they do know is we are continuing to look for their sister. THEY WANT PEOPLE TO LOOK FOR THEIR SISTER."

    Too ridiculous for words really!

    If you tell any very young child who does not remember a sister who is missing, they probably won’t really understand what this means. They have no memory of her, so it will be like telling them a fairytale. If you tell them this sister was beautiful and wonderful, as a parent would, and that an evil person came into your home and carried her off, and the siblings see posters, images of her on tv etc, then of course, if you ask these children if they would like their sister to come and live with them if she can be found. The answer will surely be - 'Yes look for her and find her.'

    These children are not old enough to understand the concept that their sister was perhaps abducted, never mind supposedly informing their parents that it is THEIR WISH THAT PEOPLE LOOK FOR HER. It is of course possible that one or both twins, through prompting/ being repeatedly told that they have a sister and their parents are searching, spoke these words. I don’t doubt that possible, but not in an adult way, nor in the context which Gerry McCann implied.

    They do not have capacity at 4 years of age to understand the situation.

    For Gerry McCann to state that his 4 year old twins said this in apparent earnest is a tad unbelievable. For Gerry McCann to put this forward at an interview, that it is the TWINS who want people to look for Madeleine, is ridiculous beyond belief. The twins have no ‘say’ in how the McCann’s go about their search!

    To these children if Madeleine was to come home, it would be like getting a ‘new’ sister. Like getting a new toy!

    A new sister, a special one that isn't going to come from the hospital like the new brothers and sisters their friends get, when their mummy has a new baby. Sean and Amelie's sister won’t be a ‘run of the mill one’ from the hospital.

    No, it will be much more exciting than that, they have demons to slay before this sister is THEIRS TO KEEP, before she can come live with them. In the minds of these little kiddies, this is an exciting fairytale.

    Of course they want someone to look and find this person and bring her to them.

    CNTD

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  14. I have very little doubt that super-injunctions are in place to stop British journalists reporting from the files!

    Hopefully, next time Sandra will ask them if they are still friends with the Gaspars.

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  15. They cannot have real feeling for Madeleine, as sadly and tragically they do not know Madeleine.

    When Madeleine first disappeared, depending on how much vocabulary they had grasped at that time, they may have initially tried to say her name or used whatever name a two year old would have had for her. It would not have been long before they forgot her. By that I mean, genuine memories would have faded and disappeared just like Madeleine had. Their parents I'm sure would constantly speak to them of Madeleine or show them images, but that is different from memories.

    What the McCann’s have done, affects all of their children. What they have done, will affect these two children throughout their lives. It won't ever end for them. Someone will always want to know about Madeleine, speak of her with them. Even if Madeleine is found, it will not stop. These children now and forever more will play ‘second fiddle’ if you like to Madeleine. They will always be Madeleine’s twin siblings. Their lives after Madeleine disappeared have not been normal, how could they be. So far they might not have realised this, but now that they are at school, and as they grow it is inevitable that they will realise they are 'different.'

    As for Madeleine, how does she cope if she is returned? It must be so difficult for any child who has been taken to return to a 'normal' life, but most have not had parents like the McCann's, who as far as we know are completely to blame for her fate. Most missing children have not had the enormous around the globe publicity which this case has. How can Madeleine ever realistically live in Rothley?

    Depending what age she is, when and if found, she may not want to know her parents, knowing they left her alone to whatever awful fate she has been living for years. Madeleine's parents are to blame for whatever has happened to her.

    How would this child respond, if she comes to know or remembers, telling her parents about crying the night before she was taken? How will she respond to them if she remembers being scared and they did not come on the night she was taken? How will she respond knowing her mummy sat on her backside for 90 minutes and did not bother to come and check on them knowing also that had the bedroom door not been open slightly that mummy wasn't going to bother her backside even checking to see if she was still in the room?

    If Madeleine is found when she is an adult, she may not want to know her parents, but will no doubt want to ask why?

    CNTD

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  16. When the full realisation of what happened to Madeleine is known to Sean and Amelie, who knows how they will feel towards their parents. Probably differently from that of Madeleine!

    The twins will have grown up with Kate and Gerry grown to love them, and will continue to despite what they did to them. For Madeleine the reality would be quite different.

    I think though the twins would want to gather information by themselves when they are old enough to do so,trawl every news report ever written perhaps to try and make sense of it all.

    We speak of the twins often as ‘one’ collectively, it may be that while one twin thinks and acts in a certain way, perhaps wanting to know ‘all’, the other may be more accepting. They are individuals, who will perhaps think entirely differently in respect of their parents, the case of their missing siser, and all that has surrounded this case.

    Kate McCann said in respect of informing the twins as to what happened to Madeleine:

    Kate: "We will be led by them."

    There will come a day, when Sean and Amelie will not be led by their parents.

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  17. Kate: We have to wonder why an ex-inspector of the PJ would want to convince the population that Madeleine is dead, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. And that question should be asked.

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    I think we have to wonder also,why the parents of a missing child, would want to convince the population, that she had been abducted when there are several possibilites. And that question should be asked!

    A.Miller

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  18. It is clear from this interview, the pair reveal themselves. Gerry is deceptive, "ask the dogs", indeed. He can be sarcastic about the best-trained sniffer dogs in the UK (used by police forces throughout the world). Why would police forces throughout the world use dogs that are unreliable Gerry? Dogs that have cost the UK millions of pounds to train and cost hundreds of pounds a day to hire? The dogs have a correct 100% record (Martin Grimes).

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  19. Thank you for the transcript. I have seen the video but I have difficulty with the McCanns' accents so it was great to be able to read this important interview by Sandra.

    "Ask the dogs" - what a totally ignorant response.

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  20. Why cant ANY UK journalist ask similar questions to these??? It is beyond words, I cannot understand!

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  21. 'Ask the dogs Sandra'

    I think the only reponse to Gerry can be:

    'Every dog has it's Day' - even cadaver!

    and

    'The past always comes back to bite You'

    A.Miller

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  22. "Ask the dogs" he says. Well, the dogs have spoken! I remember TM supported the unreliabiity of the dogs theory with an American case but don't refer to it anymore. Why? Well the suspect later confessed. Oops... When dogs bark, people should listen!

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  23. When Gerry says that cadaver dogs are "incredibly unreliable" if "tested scientifically".

    I guess the McCanns must have found some contradictory reports because my google search for "cadaver dog reliability" produced scientific studies that confirm how incredibly accurate they are.

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  24. ~ Gerry: I think the first thing to say is that the investigation is to be dealt with by professionals and obviously we have got David Edgar working for us or law enforcement as a project (?). Today is about this appeal. It is completely separate. It is going out in seven different languages, we want it to be spread as far and as wide as possible because we don't know where Madeleine is and we don't know who took her and that's why we need the public's help to spread the email, an email to all your contacts. I know you have already done it, Sandra.~

    "I know you have already done it, Sandra"

    Another sarcastic comment from the great man himself.

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  25. Why did the dogs only mark places that they (the mcCanns)had occupied and items belonging only to them and nobody else, even though they searched all the apartments and a room full of clothing/items etc., Something that cannot be explained away so easily hence the silly comment.....the dogs were asked and we all know their answer.
    It would be interesting to take the dogs back to that location to see them mark it again as we know they can still do years after the event.

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  26. I would have liked her to have asked if after the first two mortgage payments they took from the Fund to pay for their house, do they now own it outright.

    They sure have had enough money to do so.

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  27. And so I take comfort in knowing the ENTIRE case file has not been made public...and to keep repeating at this juncture that there is NO evidence may just be a tad premature - to say the least! "Jigsaw puzzle": how many pieces does it take for the picture to be complete? Alas, it may just be one sorry little piece hidden in plain view. Everything in its own good time.

    So while we're at it, let's "Ask The Dogs" as well why the entire case file has not been disclosed. Now that's something worth Asking The Dogs, isn't it Gerald?

    Nothing is done without reason and so with bated breath I await the end, the real end, of this sorry case.

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  28. Is it just me or does it seem kate is not free to speak? What can be so wrong about allowing kate to speak freely? Is there reason to think kate might let the cat out of the bag? Is there a cat in the bag? Is kate the fabled loose cannon? A chain is only as strong as its weakest link? Tsk tsk tsk....

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  29. the arrogance of Gerry's ASK THE DOGS actually sums up the man

    he is bully and would say the same kind of language to his children

    can picture the twins crying and ask 'Where were you Daddy when we cried in May 2007?'

    Reply: ASK THE DOGS....

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  30. Notice he didnt deny the dogs findings were unaccurate.

    His answer was stupidly childish coming from doctor.

    What he was saying is he didn't know how the dog arrived at it, doesnt necessary mean the dogs were wrong.

    If the dogs could talk Gerry would be shocked! He will find his intelligent is below the dogs!

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  31. 'Ask the dogs' and the dogs said :" Cave Canem!" gerry :D

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  32. Thank you for the transcript, it makes it much easier to ponder what was said. If I give the McCanns the benefit of the doubt over their reasons for the pact of silence I still feel that they wasted a golden opportunity to win the public over, which is what they claim is necessary in order to focus on finding Madeleine.

    The findings of the dogs have convinced a lot of people that the McCanns are guilty, and if innocent I am sure Gerry would have researched in great detail the past accuracy of sniffer dogs. I believe that if he had found anything worth mentioning he could have quoted it chapter and verse. To say Ask the Dogs indicates to me that he has found nothing to support that they are unreliable. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that it was not the McCanns involved in this and one would have thought they themselves would have wanted to take the dogs finding more seriously as part of their no stone unturned statement.

    I questioned why the dogs were not sent sooner and was told because they would only be sent if requested by the PJ. My reply was, why wait for a request, if help is offered I am sure it will not be refused.

    I still conclude nothing, but one thing I am sure of, is that this case has so many flaws in it regarding what should have been followed up quickly and who should have been interviewed regarding other things that have come to light.

    I have always considered Gerry to be arrogant and as time has gone on he has become even more so.

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  33. "Ask the dogs"

    "I know you have already done it, Sandra.~"


    The arrogance is breathtaking, mind you it shows the sort of person he is, the sort of person that thinks nothing of leaving his 3 children under 4 alone in an unlocked apartment. Then they have the gall to expect everyone in the world to look for his child, when he should have been doing a proper job in the first place.

    I hope GM takes a long hard look at his attitude and he may come to realise that he's not doing Madeleine an favours. He should be on his knees issuing a groveling apology for what they did rather than coming out with glib one-liners.

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  34. its simple, ask the dogs who can't talk.....no lawyers, detectives, Clarence or Prime minister to defend them dogs

    McCanns are trying to change the mind's of normal people in this world, ironic, after they negelected Maddie and Twins, night after night

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  35. Gerry should better ask his wife Kate about the unreliable dogs, because she gave an innocent explanation about the scent of death on her clothes, a prove that the dogs were right at least one time.

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  36. Anon 35, You are right, Kate's statement about the dogs was a sign that she accepted what they had found. No wonder she is afraid to speak now without Gerry's approval. If someone took her statement a little further perhaps she would be able to explain why the scent was found in several other places. Did she leave her clothes laying around all over the place, and if the scent can transfer to the floor, why did it not transfer to the twins clothing etc. too.

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  37. GM spoke to Martin Grime's (dog handler of Eddie and Keela) supervisor, Meredith Hughes of S. Yorkshire Police about the dog search, although not to Martin Grime himself. See Grime's report of 14.5.08.

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  38. I just love it when Gerrie goes out of control and yepssssss, makes an arse of himself . Have Eddie and Keela been dismissed ? Hey Dr McCann why dont you sue these dogs for defamation ? Carter -------#uck ? are extremly good, maybe you can get another million bucks from the UK Gov.
    Jamar
    What a wicked mind.........

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  39. I dont think we can conclude that the investigation has so many flaws until such time as all the files are (if ever)released for public consumption as dont forget only one quarter of the files have been released for public consumption so far.
    I have lots of questions in my own mind regarding the investigation but i wont have the answers unless all the files are published.

    Im sure the cadaver dogs were only brought in and requested as soon as the p.j suspected the abduction theory didnt hold water because from the start the whole world beleived the abduction story until the alarm bells started ringing.

    I think gerry MCCANN should be challenged about his statement regarding the dogs reliabilities and challenged to give some examples of his opinion.
    I heard of a case recently in N. Ireland where the cadaver dog found a victims scent in the BURNT OUT REMAINS OF HER MURDERERS CAR
    and also led police to where her remains were buried .
    I would challenge gMCCANN to visit the relatives of this poor victim and tell them the dog is unreliable.


    Sherlock.

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  40. Convenient for Gerry to say "Ask the dogs".

    One has to wonder IF the dogs had "hit" on another aparment, he would be the first to say that the occupants of that apartment should be locked up.

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  41. The case needs to be re-opened in the UK; the 48 questions asked and answered; the witness statements followed up; the one or more reconstructions held. A petition has gone to Downing Street, a former Scotland Yard officer recommends re-opening the case - and then we wait. Where are the journalists to ask the questions? Have we really lost free speech and honest enquiry to this extent. Much to ask; much to be done.

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  42. Has their Portuguese PR woman started earning her keep?

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  43. Gerry says 'Ask The Dogs' what an ignorant idiot he really is...he is taking the pi$$ out of Grime who trained those dogs and who knows they are 100% acurate...and he is getting away with it...I wonder what Mr Grimes would have to say to his nasty smirking answer!

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  44. Anonymous nr 40, you`re so right! If the dogs barked at for example Murats car he would keep going on about how reliable those dogs are.
    About the interview, their daughter is still missing for over two years, still not a sign of pain, sorrow or devastation in their faces...No heart and soul there. Boy, are they frightening people...

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  45. For the record: GMC claims that the pact of silence was a result of the judicial secrecy. Of course Sandra F exposes the hollowness of that claim by noting that the secrecy no long applies. However, more to the point the McCanns, Tapas 9 members and their spokespeople frequently made detailed reference to the case (e.g. their movements within the apartement on the night in question) throughout the period of judicial secrecy. One I can recall is Kate McCann's interview with Woman's Hour on BBC Radio. There was also the Panorama programme where for instance Jane Tanner spoke about her movements on the night in question.

    It is completely bogus of them to claim they dare not speak about the details of the case. The truth is they commented selectively to the media - as they continue to do.

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  46. Maybe the release video of the 'Happy couple' going on holiday was for one reason: That the 'happy couple' did not and does not exist....Look again at the video apart from Mccanns 'F.Off I am not hear to enjoy myself'...Kate and Mccann could not be further apart. He looks solemn and miserable. Kate sits with the three children.We know they did not spend much time with the rest of the group, we also know according to Kate that they had a row and slept in seperate rooms. I take this with a large poinch of salt as i find it hard to believe a word Kate says. My mother died last June and yet even now I cannot speak of her without my eyes brimming over with tears. I have NEVER seen the Mccanns eyes brimming over with tears when they speak of Madeleine.

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  47. Sherlock I have re-read my post 32 and my choice of word was wrong. Instead of flaws I should have said contridictions. I agree that nothing can be concluded until the content of all the files are known. Personally I would very much like to read the contents of all the files now in preference to reading any book written by anybody (pro or anti). We all have so many questions we would like to ask but are unable to. It is so frustrating that no one who is in a position to get these questions answered appears to be making any effort to do so. Will that day ever come I wonder!

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  48. can anyone confirm if gerry asked to be interviewed by sandra or was it pot luck that sandra got to interview them

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  49. Looks like the McCanns' Portuguese PR team are earning their keep as they've today set up a new investigation line:

    http://www.destak.pt/artigo/45443

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  50. I expect Gerry and Kate spend a good deal of time indoctrinating Sean and Amelie to believe in and to carry on their message of lies.

    I really don't know what else to say except I do think the McCanns have miracously fooled the large body of people who could have solved this case and found Madeleine. Sadly, I doubt much will change in this case except periodic McCann appearances for years to come.
    It's almost too gut-wretching anymore to watch this black comedy. ~Acadine

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  51. Two comments for Mr McCann:

    1) Do you have evidence to support your thesis that Madeleine was abducted? If there isn't evidence to support this theory then you should not be saying it.

    2) Do you have evidence to support your thesis that the cadaver dogs are unreliable when scientifically proven? If there isn't evidence to support this theory then you should not be saying it.

    You accuse Mr Amaral of having no proof to back up his findings, but you do the same yourself. Maybe someone will injunct you???

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  52. I think it's clear that the McCanns will attempt to destroy the lives of anyone who they think is getting in their way. They are now publically attempting to destroy not only Dr Amaral but also MARTIN GRIME! If Grime's dogs are "unreliable" like Gerry claims, he is basically saying that Grime shouldn't be in his current profession earning a living from his dogs. Isn't that just sick? Gerry not only earns a living from his job as a doctor but also from the fund which he has access to but the likes of Amaral and Grime shouldn't earn a living because they were unfortunate to be professionally involved in the case!

    The McCanns will get their comeuppance one day. Amen.

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  53. http://www.elperiodismosecompra.com/

    vídeo de opinião.

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  54. ShuBob. Just like I posted acouple of days ago,

    MR Grimes is well within his legal rights to publicly defend his dogs abilities and excellant track records, he has an abundance of proof of his dogs successes.
    g MCCANN should be challenged to show his abundance of examples as to the back up his (FALSE)claims of the dogs unreliabilities.
    WHY DOESNT SOMEONE PUBLICLY CHALLENGE HIM ON THIS FOR STARTERS?

    If gerry MCCANN had nothing to hide and was telling the Gods Honest TRUTH surely he wouldnt be laughing and smirking and saying ask the dogs. What a Cold Calass Thing to say,
    He Showed no signs of missing Madeleine AT ALL.

    Sherlock.

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  55. The dogs WERE asked Gerry and they said you are guilty without a shadow of a doubt.

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  56. See Mark Harrison's(MBE)-report from PJ files-23.7.07. .
    "I am the National Adviser in relation to Search for all Police agencies within the UK for missing persons, Abduction and Homicide.My role involves advising on searching for persons that are missing, abducted or murdered...... I am visiting Professor of Earth and Ocean Sciences at the University of Southampton."
    On Friday 20.07.07, a request was made by the Portuguese Judicial Police to the NPIA for search advisory assistance.....
    The apartment in which the Mccanns had stayed may present further opportunities to search. The use of a specialist EVRD dog.. and a CSI dog ... could potentially indicate on whether Madeleine's blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed....
    This report has highlighted the extensive and professionalefforts made by the Portuguese authorities regarding the search to locate MM alive. It has now begun to consider further opportunities to re search locations in order to address the possibility that she has been murdered and concealed nearby. This would be a proportionate and appropriate response given the elapsed time since her disappearance and previous experience in such similar cases."

    My letter to Gordon Brown concerning this case has been forwarded to the Ministry of Justice and I will inform the site when I receive a reply.

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  57. @ Post 56, thanks for Mark Harrison's letter.

    I wonder why Harrison is not targetted the same way Grime is. It was his idea to get the dogs in after all! A case of shooting the messenger (Grime) because he delivered an "unhelpful" message x(

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  58. I don't understand why (as the innocent parents of a missing child) you dismiss all scenarios apart from abduction.
    From the dogs I would think an intruder had killed her, then taken her body away! You would be totally mental with anquish and think of all sorts of things.

    What about poor little Aisleyne Symes crawling into a drain? That would make me frantic to get a new search of places like that happening, too.

    It is very emotional seeing the dog barking so loudly at certain spots - makes me shiver.

    If you are innocent Kate and Gerry, appeal to us directly, with passion - from the heart. Go on, you really need to. Forget the corporate talk.

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  59. Apologies,

    The child I mentioned is Aisling Symes.

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  60. In the video Gerry says there is no evidence to support Mr Amarals thesis.Well can some one tell me what evidence there is to support Gerrys thesis?.They look very worried to me.

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  61. I hope Mr Amaral gives them his "Tuppence worth" very soon.The more i see the more i anger. Arrragh!!!!!

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  62. I find the behaviour of both Gerry and Kate abhorrent. I trust that in time the truth will out. I like others believe that the poor child is in the hands of God. The guilty hide behind the law which they are using skilfully to avoid the justice that they truly deserve. May God forgive them

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  63. You deserve much better Mr Goncalo Amaral, much much better after twenty six odd years of valiant service on the force, you have been made to suffer a lot while these two child neglecters are enjoying themselves and celebrity partying. Good luck to you and God bless you and your family.Pray the whole world will soon hear of the truth. Go get em and put em away Goncalo.

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  64. I am way behind in catching up on this case - prompted by recent dreams. 'Ask the Dogs, Sandra', what a fascinating and skilful interview - Gerald McCann had previously controlled the media with his anger but now he was more subdued - in response, I think, to the loss of public support for the McCanns. Body language betrays words - they appear to be actively listening for each other's slip-ups and shuffle in their seats when apprehensive.
    Had another dream last night. Dreams often have an unconscious meaning and I will meditate on it further - however in my dream Madeleine was held up to face me by someone whom I thought was a nurse or doctor. Madeleine had bruising and an injury just above her forehead - looked as though something with spikes had penetrated it - bit weird I know. I only offer it as many years ago the first dream I had that seemed prophetic was one about my close friend's father, whom I had never met and who appeared to be perfectly fit. In my dream I saw him walking in her garden and then heard the words 'he's died of a heart attack!' I told my friend but did not do enough with that information - and he died of a heart attack 2 days later. Since that time I have been able to 'see' illnesses in people - have foreseen events such as aeroplane crashes and had dreams about murder cases and have contacted British police with one of them.
    Let's hope this case is re-opened - I cannot understand why it was closed or why Goncalo Amaral's book was banned in the UK.There are many controversial books written and published here. For example 'The Strange Death of David Kelly' by Norman Baker, very thought provoking. Similarly -'The Murder of Princess Diana' by Noel Botham controversial but not enough real evidence to draw conclusions.

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  65. Kate:..”.....But basically what we are doing is trying to get as much information as we can and trying to put the jig-shaw?? jigsaw together, so finally we have the complete picture.”

    Freudian slip? Or jig-shore? As in sea-shore

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  66. The McCann's are guilty and the plethora of scientific and other evidence makes this incontrovertible. It is fact, that is why they try to silence those who can reveal the true facts, and their book is an attempt to distort the truth and further manipulate people They can manipulate some of the population but not all. Gerry is particularly arrogant and when all of the interviews he has given are analysed, reveals hidden qualities that are very sinister. Some people seem to struggle to believe that such calculated evil exists but there are many cases of it in the world. The most accomplished evil-doers are often like Gerry - articulate and educated, arrogant and without conscience. Very practised at convincing people that black is indeed white! The evidence speaks volumes and the McCann's are 100% guilty.

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  67. I am gob smacked at all of these lies! The Truth of the lie seems to be well written and an honest rendition of what went on that fateful night ..The McCanns seem to be lying! It would be best for that little girl if they were to take a lie detector test! if my little girl went missing I would search and scream at the top of my voice! not call the media!!!!! There defiantly is something very fishy going on here....

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  68. Dear Scotland yard and the British media...
    For your own self worth and decency, get the McCann case opened again, so people can see British Justice for this poor wee lass...

    You are a laughing stock of the world....The McCanns are guilty and you know it!!!

    Get a grip...

    Julie..Mother of 2

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  69. I have very good instincts about people and Gerry has always made my blood run cold from the first time I saw him on TV, although I had no opinion on what had happened to Madeleine.

    Since then I have read some of the evidence and I am shocked that the case hasn't been reopened. Is it because so many people would feel that they have been made utter fools of?

    The attempts to silence Mr Amaral are reprehensible. I have watched his documentary stating his strong belief that Madeleine is dead. He comes over, unlike Gerry, as a decent person interested in the truth.

    My feeling is that Gerry has strong psychopathic tendencies. It would be interesting to know more about his past, what colleagues and old acquaintances say about him, but we will never know because that door is firmly closed by his legal team.

    That legal team paid for by the very people who will feel betrayed and embarrassed when the truth finally comes out.

    My guess is that one day it will become too much for Kate to bear and she will spill the beans.

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  70. When the truth of all this comes out, the McCanns will be figures of public hatred for decades

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  71. Be good if Sandra asked her,
    what made you think that all the children where drugged,
    how long did it really take them to wake up? to make you think this
    then asked her
    do you thunk someone would go into a room and and wake up the children to feed them sleeping pill- when they are sleeping ?
    then asked her if the children was drugged!

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  72. tELL THE GRANDSTANDING nARCISSTIC MCCANNS THAT THEIR GAME IS OVER AND THEY MAY WORRY AT THE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS. lACK OF LOOKING IS SO OBVIOUS.

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  73. The Brits are know as masters of the art of deception, why would a government spokesman give up his job to speak for the McCanns.
    Discredit the detective in charge and create a massive smoke screen, it's an age old tactic, why don't the McCanns take a polygraph test if they are so innocent or are they unreliable as we'll ?

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  74. Why would a government spokesman give up his job to speak for the McCanns ?
    Discredit the detective in charge and creat a huge smokescreen, it's a well known tactic !
    Get both Gerry and Kate to take a polygraph test of are they unreliable as we'll Gerry ??

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  75. 'Ask the dogs'. I suppose, in a way, the dogs were 'asked'. One 'said' there was a body behind the couch at some point, the other 'said' there was blood. So they were 'asked', and they gave their answers.

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  76. Well said Mo , they must be thinking common sense has flown out of the window , dogs don't lie . One day the pair of them will face justice and the people who gave money to that fund they opened will be surprised when the truth comes out in the open . This will open a can of worms and people will be dragged down who supported this pair of glorified gifted liars . Well done Joana , Well done Dr Amaral , Justice will overcome LIES .

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  77. I am truly shocked at some of the things I have read here. My very first impression of the McCanns all those years ago was that they were absolutely furious, outraged that something like this had happened to them. And nothing they have said or done since has altered that. In fact their subsequent actions, from speeding to Rome for absolution from the Pope himself to, as I learned here today, Kate refusing to answer questions that might have helped the investigation only serve to deepen the impression that something tragic happened in that apartment and they are completely focused on trying to cover it up. One thing has always stuck in my mind. I don't know where I read or heard it, but it was a comment from one of the maids at the resort, speaking about Kate McCann - She never cried for her baby.

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  78. They are both guilty as sin , any genuine parent of a "missing" child would need a "hired spokesman" ? Or would refuse to answer questions put to them by the Police 7 years ago in Portugal ? Or would start a "fund" and sue people for libel who expose their hideous behaviour ? Or would discredit the findings of trained dogs ? Or would change their stories ? Go swanning round the world begging for money ? Pay their mortgage from the fund money which was started SOLELY for the help to "find " the "missing" child ? Smile like Cheshire cats 9 DAYS AFTER LOOSING THEIR DAUGHTER ? Leave under 4 year old children on their own while they go to meet their friends for drinks ? There is enough questions to ask this horrible pair under caution instead of SY being land scape gardeners on holiday on tax payers cost .

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