8 November 2009

UK police chief hits back at Portuguese detective’s claims

The head of Leicestershire Police has rejected claims from a former Portuguese detective that his officers withheld a witness statement from the Madeleine McCann inquiry.

Chris Eyre, the Temporary Chief Constable, said “I can assure you that at no time were statements withheld and not passed on.”

Goncalo Amaral, the Algarve detective who was removed the inquiry early on, made his claim in a book, which is now banned.

Mr Eyre responded after Freedom of Information requests were submitted by the Sunday Express.

A team of Leicestershire family officers went to Portugal on 5 May 2007 to support the McCanns.

It has also emerged that the Foreign Office has withheld details about the investigation so as not to damage relations between Britain and Portugal.

An individual submitted Freedom of Information requests to get details of negotiations by John Buck, Britain’s former ambassador to Portugal.

The then Information Commissioner Richard Thomas refused in case it caused Portugal to lose trust in Britain’s discretion.



in: Sunday Express, 08.11.2009, paper edition only

Related

David Payne May Hold the Key to Maddie's Mystery

«Since the 16th of May 2007, the British authorities possess an official formal complaint presented by Katherine and Arul Gaspar, regarding suspicions about David Payne's behaviour which might be consistent with paedophilia acts.

These statements only entered the Portuguese Public Ministry's Process of investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance in January 2008 - the third version of the famous rogatory letters had already been sent to the Home Office - read: 'English tantrum delays McCanns process'. It is unknown if these statements were followed up by both forces in the United Kingdom and in Portugal.

The Gaspars, both doctors and former friends of the Paynes and of the McCanns, explain in the following statements what led them to present the criminal complaint: the time was in September of 2005, the place Majorca.»


McCann Case: Foreign Office Secrets

«The complainant said the release was in the public interest in order to uphold public confidence that British authorities do everything possible to help find missing children, reassure people the authorities keep in close contact with the police involved in the search and ensure public funds are used effectively to help find missing children.

But the Commissioner said in his decision that the disclosure would offend the Portuguese authorities.

He went on to say: “..even now, to disclose full information about the then ambassador’s communications with the Portuguese authorities then, on a balance of probabilities, substantial damage to the international relationship would result.”

He added: “The Commissioner is mindful of the need for the UK authorities to be seen to be worthy of trust by their foreign counterparts in Portugal and elsewhere in the world.

“He sees significant risk that disclosure of confidences or of other sensitive material would have damaging implications for any possible further developments on this matter and any relevant future investigations in Portugal or elsewhere in the world. This would not be in the best interests of the McCann family, including Madeleine, or of other UK citizens travelling to Portugal or elsewhere outside the UK.”»

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106 comments:

  1. I never used this expression I always found it "tacky" but now:

    TickTock

    :))

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  2. One thing I'm becoming increasingly certain of is that the Express are tightening the noose on the McCanns' necks! They are asking "difficult" questions and just "might" turn the case on it's head as far as UK reporting on the case is concerned! Interestingly though, David Payne's name is not mentioned but we know it's statements making allegations about him that the Express is referring to. People reading the article will now go and investigate :D. I wonder if Payne along with the McCanns and other tapas members will be wearing permanently holed up in their toilets today!

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  3. I read that the Gaspar witness statement was passed on but not until six months later!!!

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  4. the Temporary Chief Constable, said “I can assure you that at no time were statements withheld and not passed on.”

    how long after the statements had been given by the Gaspers before they were passed on?
    must everything be a play on words...6 months later is the issue Chris...

    what a state of affairs ...tut tut, i canny not wait until they are bought to justice...the spin off will be immense...all these silly career people sellingtheir soul for another rung of the ladder... tut tut

    corruption corruption.

    Justice foe Madeleine
    mojo

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  5. The then Information Commissioner Richard Thomas refused in case it caused Portugal to lose trust in Britain’s discretion.

    from the above piece.

    What on earth is that supposed to mean? Has the info been disclosed since ? The mind boggles as to what would cause PT to lose faith in Britain's discretion? It was not a problem to allow the British Press to destroy the case and all credibility in the PJ, Amaral and the PT authorities as a whole. So such a claim by Richard Thomas is totally hypocritical and covering up something else ie heavy Political involvement IMO.

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  6. Does the existence of a super-injunction prevent the newspaper from naming the Gaspar's statement?

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  7. "It has also emerged that the Foreign Office has withheld details about the investigation so as not to damage relations between Britain and Portugal."

    Could someone explain this?

    What possible reason could there be for information to be witheld?

    A child was missing for goodness sake!

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  8. Looks like some cages have been rattled.
    I hope the shit is gonna hit the fan real soon.

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  9. More spin again.

    No, you did not withhold statements about David Payne and Gerry McCann, you just took far too long to let the Portuguese have them so you certainly took your time witholding them.

    But then, you are not going to admit that now are you.

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  10. Who is getting tired of this all?

    ME!!11111111111111

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  11. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8267556.stm

    Becoming clear why he was quickly replaced...Still no mention of Payne and Dr.Gaspar...but good to see that the Express have this information.As Chris Eire was not in charge he would not know if this was true or not...Have the Express grown a pair of cojones? only time will tell.

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  12. Porquê isto agora?O Sr.Gonçalo Amaral há meses que afirma que a policia inglesa reteve informação vital para a investigação da PJ!Ainda não percebi de que lado está o Sunday Express, tão depressa insulta a PJ como encosta os mccann à parede defendendo que o caso deve ser reaberto e investigado pela Scotland Yard (coisa em que os mccann com certeza não estão interessados mas que também não podem rejeitar publicamente). Muito confuso...

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  13. Dear lord, this stinks, reeeeeks of interference !!!! Please, any journalist wit a pair of b*lls just go and give the whole public the FULL story!!! Please!

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  14. When I first read this story yesterday, I thought to myself.

    _"What an old story, published 14 months ago, by Amaral. No salt, no pepper".

    But this has got a goal imo.

    This journalist wants to warn people who eventually know about the disappearence and are eventually prepared to go to their local police.
    The Sunday Express is afraid that the police will again withhold statements, protecting the Mccanns.
    They seem to have done it with the Gaspar's statement, who made it on May 16th and the British police sent it to Portugal at the end of October, after Amaral had left.It was about the incident in Mallorca.


    People who eventually go to the police with information, could ask a coppy of their statement and send it to Portugal(Portimão), to Mr. Gamble and to the Scotland Yard.

    The coppy could be sent through internet.

    This time this got to work.

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  15. Well this is better than I thought. When I first read the headline I thought it would be Leicestershire police defending the McCanns version fo the story.

    Seems that the right questions are beginning to be asked and they are having defend themselves! Pity the journalist couldn't have been a little more thorough and clarified for the readers the true situation though, instead of just printing the weaselly-worded response from LP, which is misleading to say the least.

    I too am now beginning to wonder about super-injunctions in relation to this case- after all we know they are out there, thanks to the royal mess C-R made of the Trafigura affair :) This definitely relates to the Gaspars' statements, but the report very clearly doesn't dare go near the details...?

    :) E

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  16. Oh yes you did - this one was`nt it? The Gaspar`s statement which you forwarded months later, after the dismissal of Goncalo Amaral

    The statement of Dr Katherine Zacharias Gaspar made to Leicestershire Police on 16 May 2007: Part 1

    “I give this declaration in relation to the McCANN family who are currently in Portugal. The McCANN family is composed of Gerry McCANN, his wife, Kate McCANN and their three children, Madeleine, aged 4, and Sean and Amelie, who are twins and 3 years of age. As is abundantly clear, Madeleine is not with her family presently, and has been missing for the last two weeks.

    “I will start by explaining that I am married to Arul Savio Gaspar and we have two daughters. I have been married to Savio for 11 years. We met when we were working together in Exeter about 14 years ago [1993]. I am a General Practitioner as was my husband. He continues to be a General Practitioner but is also a specialist.

    “To explain how we know the McCann family, I would say that my husband knows Kate, as they both attended the University of Dundee between 1987 and 1992. At the time, Kate was known by the name of Kate Healey. I met Kate and Gerry on the occasion of their wedding around 1998 in Liverpool. Both Savio and I went to the wedding because Savio was an old friend of Kate; we were both invited to the event. From what I know, Savio did not know Gerry McCann before they married. From that time on, we met as friends, probably about three times a year and we would spend the weekend together.

    “I would say we got to be close friends of Gerry and Kate. I remember that in 2002 or 2003, Savio and I spent a weekend with Gerry and Kate in Devon. We maintained contact with each other by ’phone. In 2002 or 2003 Savio and I were living in the Birmingham area and the McCanns were then in Leicester. In September 2005 Savio, me and ‘A’ [name of first child] (who was around one year and a half) holidayed in Majorca, with Kate, Gerry, Madeleine (who was about 2½ years old) and the twins, Sean and Amelie, who were only a few months old. I was pregnant with ‘B’ [name of second child]. There were also other friends of Kate and Gerry with us there. There was a couple, Dave and Fiona (the Paynes, I think). I believe they were married and had a daughter around one year old called Lily. I remember Fiona was pregnant on that holiday.

    “There was another couple on the vacation: C_____ and D_____, whose surname I can’t remember. They had two boys (three years and one year old respectively) whose names I don’t remember. I did not know either of these two families before this holiday. I think it was Dave Payne who organised the trip and we stayed in a big house in Majorca. We were there for one week whilst the McCanns and the Paynes stayed for two weeks. I believe C_____ and D_____ and their two sons also stayed for one week.

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  17. Part 2

    “It was fun during the first two or three days. Probably around the fourth or fifth day there was an incident that stuck in my mind. I say this because I have thought about the particular incident I am about to describe many times since then.

    “One night, when all the adults, that is, from those couples I have mentioned above, were all sitting around on a patio outside the house where we were all staying. We had been eating and drinking ‘Berbers’.
    I was sitting between Gerry and Dave and I think both were talking about Madeleine. I can’t remember the conversation in its entirety, but they seemed to be discussing a particular scenario. I remember Dave saying to Gerry something about ‘she’, meaning Madeleine, ‘would do this’.

    “While he mentioned the word ‘this’, Dave was doing the action of sucking one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, while with his other hand he was doing a circle around his nipple, with a circular movement around his clothes. This was done in a provocative way. There seemed to be an explicit insinuation about what he was saying and doing. I remember being shocked by that. I always felt it was something very weird and that it was not something anyone should say or do. I looked at Gerry, and also at Dave, to gauge their reactions.

    “I looked around as if saying: “Did someone else hear that, or was it just me?”. The conversations stopped for a moment, then we all began conversing again. Moreover, I remember Dave doing the same thing on another occasion. In saying this, I want to mention once again that it was during a conversation in which he was talking about an imaginary scenario, although I’m not sure. He again stuck one of his fingers in and out of his mouth and with the other hand he once again drew a circle around his nipple in a provocative and sexual way. I think he was referring to the way she, that is, his daughter Lily, would behave or what she would do. I think he did this later during this same holiday, but I’m not sure.

    “The only time since then that I have been in the company of Dave and Fiona was several weeks after the holidays, when Savio and I met Gerry, Kate, Dave and Fiona in a restaurant in Leicester. I’m sure that he said what he said and made the gestures I have related, but [the second time] it could have happened in the restaurant in Leicester, although I do think it was in Majorca that I heard Dave say and do this for the second time. After the second occasion [when he made these gestures] I took it more seriously.

    “I remember thinking whether he would look at my daughter and other little girls in a different way than I or others do. I imagined that he had perhaps visited internet sites related to little children. In a word, I thought that he could be interested in child pornography on the web. During our holiday in Majorca, each parent would bath the children in turn. I was keen to stay near the bathroom if Dave was bathing the children. I remember I said to Savio to be careful and to be close by if Dave was helping to bathe the children and my daughter in particular. I did this [stay hear the bathroom if Dave was bathing the children] quite obviously because hearing what he said had troubled me and I didn’t trust him bathing ‘A’ [our first child].

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  18. Part 3

    “When I heard Dave say this for the second time, it reinforced what I had already been thinking concerning his thoughts about little girls. During our stay in Majorca, Dave and his wife Fiona and their daughter Lily used to take Madeleine with them for the day in order that Kate and Gerry could rest a bit and had time just for the twins. I wasn’t worried about Madeleine’s safety, because Fiona and [another female adult] were there, as well as Dave. As already referred to, I was only with Dave and Fiona on one occasion, after [we were on holiday together in] Majorca. And I have not spoken to them at all since that time. In recent, we have seen the McCann family on occasions. These occasions coincide with the children’s birthdays – a time when we all get together.

    “The first time I heard the terrible news regarding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on the radio, my thoughts raced immediately to Dave. I asked Savio if Dave was also on holiday with the McCanns in Portugal, but he didn’t know. I watched TV to catch the coverage of the news and eventually discovered that Dave was there with the McCanns.

    “Then I saw him on TV a few days after Madeleine disappeared. I therefore believed that he was on holiday with the McCanns in Portugal. Today, Wednesday 16 May, 2007, at 3.40pm, I have given Detective Constable Brewer a page containing 2 photographic images. I am going to reference these images as: Ref KZG/1). I consent that these may be exhibited as required [by the police]. All these photographs were taken during our holidays in Majorca. In the photographs, Dave is wearing a white T-shirt and the woman in the photograph is his wife Fiona. The man that is holding the cup of wine in the photograph is _____”.

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  19. Part 4

    That statement of Dr Katherine Gaspar alone is very concerning. I now turn to a statement made by Dr Katherine Gaspar’s husband, Dr Arul Savio Gaspar, also made on the same day:

    “I make this statement in relation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. I currently work as a General Practitioner at St Clements Surgery, Birmingham, where I have been employed for the last nine years. Madeleine is the daughter of Kate and Gerry McCann and we are friends of the family. I have known Kate since 1987, when we met at Dundee Medical School, and became friends. We have remained in touch all this time and meet up three or four times a year. We often talk on the ’phone or email each other. When we first became friends in 1987, she was still known as Kate Healy; this remained so until she married Gerry at the end of 1990s.

    “Kate and I completed our medical degrees in 1992, when we each carried on with our lives, once we had begun our careers. After I finished my degree, I began my career in Exeter, and I think Kate went to Glasgow. I only met up with Kate again in 1997 or 1998. At that moment I was married to Katherine. We had both been invited to attend Kate and Gerry’s wedding.

    “After their wedding we lost contact and I think they went to New Zealand. We only met up again in 2001 in Birmingham. The couple visited us in the house where we then living, in ______, and this was the first time I had ever talked to Gerry. I think that at that time Kate and Gerry were living in Queniborough, Leicestershire. From 2001 until 2005, we were in regular contact with each other and often visited each other’s homes.

    “We planned a holiday together for the first week of September 2005 in Majorca, together with three other couples including Kate and Gerry. We did not know the other two couples; they were both friends of Kate and Gerry’s. We had never met them before. All of us had children. When we went on this holiday we had one daughter, ‘A’, aged 18 months. Kate and Gerry had three children, Madeleine – almost two – and the twins, who were six months old [NOTE: Madeleine was 2¼ in September 2005].

    The other couples were Fiona and David Payne and their daughter Lily who was one year old and ______ and ______ who had two boys aged three and one. I do not remember the surname of ______ and ______ nor the names of their children. Katherine and I had booked the holiday for one week and the McCanns and the other two couples had booked for two weeks. We stayed together in a large villa. We all arrived at the villa separately.

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  20. part 5
    “During the period we stayed at the villa I remember a gesture made by David Payne. I do not remember the context of the conversation between David and Gerry, but I do remember seeing David use his left index finger to rub his nipple, using circular movements, whilst he put his right index finger into his mouth, touching his tongue. This happened during a meal, at the end of the day, in the villa. I do not remember the time or the date, but we would usually dine between 7.30pm and 9.00pm every day. I think this happened in the middle of the holiday.

    “I remember that when I saw this gesture, I immediately thought it to be in very bad taste, independently of the context of the conversation they were having. We were sitting around a white plastic table in the villa. I don’t know if anyone else saw the gesture, apart from my wife Katherine. After this gesture, we did not notice any others and as far as I know, the gesture was not repeated. We never commented on this gesture during the rest of the holiday and I thought no more about it.

    “I can describe Dave as a Caucasian male 5’ 10” tall, and of a medium complexion. He had brown hair and used glasses or contact lenses depending on the circumstances. I can say that Dave was a pleasant person. I do not remember him having any unusual characteristics.

    During the holidays Dave never behaved in an inappropriate manner with Madeleine or with any of the other children. Dave was popular with the children and I took this to be because he was a close friend to the family.

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  21. part 6

    “I never distrusted Dave. After the holidays there was one occasion when we were with Kate and Gerry and Fiona and Dave were also present. That was in a restaurant in Leicester in 2005. I do not remember the name of the restaurant. We had a pleasant evening, just the three couples without the children. I do not remember Dave having behaved inappropriately on this occasion. We have not spoken to Dave or Fiona since December 2005, only due to their being friends of Kate and Gerry [rather than ourselves], not for any other reason. The last time I saw Kate, Gerry, Madeleine, Sean and Amelie was in March 2007 when they came to our house for the first birthday celebration of my daughter ‘B’.

    “On the morning of 4th May [2007], Katherine saw the news about Madeleine on television. We were very shocked and worried given that they were close friends. It was during the days following the news of the abduction that we discovered that Fiona and David Payne were also with them in Portugal. It was at this moment that Katherine showed concern at the gesture made by Dave in Majorca in 2005. Katherine remembered that when Dave made the gesture, he was referring to Madeleine.

    I only remember that Katherine saw the gesture at the time; I had forgotten the episode, it was never the subject of conversation. At the time I did not feel the gesture was referring to Madeleine.
    It is my wish that the police are aware of my preoccupation with the gesture made by David Payne”.

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  22. Oh, and just for the record, Gordons Browns response to a petition calling for a review of the role of the British cops in the Maddie case and a 30 Page letter from the Madeleine Foundation was something along the line of "there will be no inquiry as the Leicestershire have done all that they could"

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  23. well i know who i believe and its NOT THE LEICESTSHIRE POLICE.boy have they got a lot to answer for

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  24. Remember CEOP Did not forward images handed in by The Public from PDL , to the PJ
    And CEOP are only working directly , on what exactly is anyone's guess, but only working directly with Leicester shire Police and not with the PJ ,
    Remember the Confidential Procedure manual found in Gerry McCann's apartment (A bit of light reading with the How to Conceal a Body Manual )
    The UK Police in all of this have been so wrapped up in PC Bollox that they have lost sight a serious crime has been committed and all avenues should have been explored Got that Stewy !!!!

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  25. I have got a feeling that the statement about the behaviour of Payne and Gerry may come back and hit the McCanns head on.

    Could it be that a certain person, with a very suspicious mind about suspected paedophilia will already have his sights on certain individuals connected to the Madeleine case.

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  26. Are some of the British newspapers getting fed up with the McCanns..... or what? It's time to stop pretending guys, it's time to be courageous. Show the British public that you have what it takes and ask The McCanns (not the dogs) the questions they cannot answer. For example, ask them why did they leave the Renault Scénic's doors open overnight several days in a row? What was smelling so bad that they needed to ventilate the car? The nappies? Or the rotten meat? This for starters :-/

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  27. According to the piece:
    "
    A team of Leicestershire family officers went to Portugal on 5 May 2007 to support the McCanns."

    TO SUPPORT THE MCCANNS.....not to co-operate with the Portuguese police in the investigation. So, they had already concluded (or ordered to do so) that "abduction" was the crime and the family needed support. In such a short time! As to the Leicestershire police, as anonymous 23 puts it: boy have they got a lot to answer for!

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  28. It sounds like the UK cops have been gagged by higher forces.

    So what makes the McCanns so bloody special? Has their connection to Brown got something to do with this?

    The newspaper article is revealing that a mighty cover up has occured for the sake of UK and Portuguese relations. What is that meaning exactly??

    The answer must be pursued.

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  29. Anyone remember who it was that asked Kate Mccann..'.what have you done with your daughter' This was in the first few days...
    Now ,if the Express are going to start moving on this it is crucial to find the news footage where Susan Healy said on live TV..'.Madeleine had a sleep problem ...Kate used to sedate Maddie ,thats how we know she did not wander off'...Its out there they just have to find it...Glad to say this interview was not with SKY.

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  30. Good morning Ironside! I believe it was the first british liaison officers( Scotland yard?)who were dispatched to P. da Luz immediately after 3rd May. I also remember reading about it, and of Kate's indignant reaction! Soon those officers were sent packing, as we say in portuguese "nem tiveram tempo de aquecer o lugar", something in the lines of : they didn't even get the chance to warm their seats.
    I'm sure it will be in "The Mccann Files" somewhere, but I don't have the time to look it up now.

    Rosie

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  31. Mr. Eyre, give us a break. We are not IDIOTS.... You should inform the public accuratly. G. Amaral did not claim that Uk police did not pass information to PJ. G. Amaral claim... UK police held vital information( The Gaspar's report about Payne) untill he was removed from the investigation. This is completly different then the message you want to pass across. THE INFORMATION ARRIVE TO PJ TOO LATE. WHY?

    Other amazing conclusion about your statement: G. Amaral claims are available to public for more then 2 years. WHY YOU ANSWER THIS ONLY NOW, WHEN HEHIS FORBIDDEN BY COURT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE BOOK WHAT A DISGRACE BEHAVIOUR FOR A TOP COP WHICH MUCH BE AN EXAMPLE TO THE SOCIETY AD TO YOUR's SUBORDIBNATER'S. HYPOCRISY HAS LIMITS AND MCCANN"S CASE REACH A SO BAD TASTE THAT ANYTHING THEIR FRIENDS IN BRITISH POLICE CAN DO WILL ADD NOTHING TO THEM... JUST MORE SMOKE, MORE DOUBTS, MORE SUSPICION. TELL THE TRUTH. ONE DAY YOUR BEHAVIOUR WILL HIT YOUR HEAD. WE HAVE BRAINS WHICH ARE WASHABLE BY SUNDAY EXPRESS VERY CONVENNIENT REPORTS.

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  32. One of the relatives also revealed that Madeleine sleepwalked.
    If so, totally irresponsible to have left her at night, knowing she might get out of bed and wander around.

    So much information has been removed Ironside, but I also remember that being said about Madeleine and sedation.

    So if she sleepwalked as well, how much sedation would she have needed to have completely immobilised her.

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  33. I think we should all email the Sunday Express reporter who wrote this article or the editor and give the link to this website. It is at least clear that the Sunday Express has asked at least one awkward question of the authorities. It might encourage them to ask more.

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  34. Anon 33. I would very much like the British Papers to present both sides of the story and ask some very probing questions to the McCanns, the UK authorities and the UK police. Due to the fact that the McCanns will sue anyone who "probes" the papers will not do it IMO.

    I would like to ask Payne why he preferred to bath someone elses children rather than go play tennis etc. In fact there are lots of things I would like to ask!

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  35. He wasn't asked if statements had been witheld, he was asked if the passing on of certain statements had been unnecessarily delayed but the weasel-worded answer in fact tells us everything. No need for weasel words if everything was up front and straightforward.
    But it isn't and therefore we can take it as read that important statements were delayed and God knows what other support accorded to McCann by this police authority. This man is not fit to be a bobby on the beat never mind head up a constabulary. He should be sacked immediately for attempting to mislead the public on the answer to an FOI query

    T4two

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  36. Please go to the Home Page of Gerry's Findmadeleine and click on the photo of the One minute for Madeleine.
    It is only the photo, not the video.

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  37. Anon 09:43 - I don't believe for one moment the McCanns have links to Gordon Brown. I do think there are friends of friends of friends who had the ear of someone close to Brown. If you watch the interview they gave Sandra when she asked if they were still in contact with GB they tried to give the impression they were but it was clear they are not. GB is known for the personal touch and phoning people - what he thinks it does for him I don't know.

    It is true they were given unprecedented support but I do not believe it was because they have personal links to GB.

    The whole thing stinks to high heaven but I hope one day someone will have the strength and courage to speak out about the Truth of the Lie.

    This whole thing has been about smoke and mirrors never quite telling a lie and never quite telling the truth, it's all very stranmge to say the least.

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  38. Is there anyone who still thinks that Donal MacIntyre´s "I know how Madeleine was taken" article from a few weeks back was not a deliberate demolition job on the abduction theory? I said it then, and I say it now, the Sunday Express know what they are about.

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  39. an.12,
    O Sunday Express não está insultando a PJ, not at all.
    Ele não tem saída a não ser publicar desta maneira senão leva multa.
    Estas discussões todas no momento, mais o vídeo 1 minute for Madeleine são resultados do excelente trabalho da Polícia Judiciária, senão não teriam surgido.
    Envolver a Scotland Yard significa abrir uma queixa oficial na Inglaterra.O desaparecimento da menina.
    O Sunday Express está a favor da Maddie e do trabalho da PJ.
    O problema é: falou claramente, leva chumbo.

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  40. I agree with Anonymous (post 33) about emailing the Sunday Express, I have also had a look at the Leicestershire police website, with a view to emailing the Chief Superintendent of Leicester police, about the handling of this case and why I think the McCanns played a part in Madeleine's disappearance. I can't find anywhere to email them, but I can write to them and I will.

    I implore any police officers, who read this and other forums, to take a good look at the interviews the McCanns made, the photographs of them jogging, Gerry McCann's blogs which are still available to read on the internet and other information concerned with Madeleine's disappearance.

    I'm not talking about press tittle tattle or tittle tattle wrote by posters, just the facts and if you can say hand on heart, the McCanns have not played a part in her disappearance, can you please explain why? You are more experienced than I am and you can point out the points I may be missing which shows the McCanns to be innocent.

    If like me, you do think they have played a part, you will I am sure, be able to contact someone within your section, who may be able to speak to the Chief Superintendent of Leicester police, or even the Chief Constable of Leicestershire police and in turn Scotland Yard London.

    You may think what has this got to do with me? I would say nothing personally, but for the sake of other children this case needs investigating properly. We have already had a case where a couple used the Madeleine's case and pretended their child had been abducted, for monetary gain. Luckily the child was found safe and well, next time it happens and it will, the next child or children may not be so lucky.

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  41. Donal Macintyre is a very good reporter his home has been attacked not about the Maccann but he has gone undercover before he is on to the Maccanns good style. But this cover up is in very high places, will it be uncovered only God Knows. The Express want their money back that's for sure.

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  42. an. 41,

    I agree that the Express want their money back and they are right.
    This means The Mccanns have to sue more people.
    Do you think Mr. Gamble has gotten 1.2 million?
    And the Scotland Yard?

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  43. It has always been said from early on that Gerry McCann is a friend of some close relative of Gordon Brown.

    His brother, I think it was.

    So if that is not a connection to Gordon Brown I don't know what is.

    One thing you have to give Gerry McCann credit for, and that is that he is a networker supreme.

    It is doubtful he would miss an opportunity like that.

    And for those who believe every comment that utters from the lips of the McCanns, well where have you been all this time!!

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  44. I have just emailed the Express to ask why the McCanns - who say they have been cleared of any involvement in Maddies' disappearance, and now that Sr Amaral is no longer with the police - have not asked for the case to be reopened in Portugal, and if not why not.

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  45. Chris Eyre is playing with semantics here. He says the statement was not withheld…full stop. But Amaral does not claim it was withheld altogether (if that were the case we wouldn’t know about it –would we?). Amaral’s claim is that the statement was withheld for many months – I am sure Chris Eyre is well aware of the subtle difference.

    The allegations in the statement may not have any connection with Madeleine’s disappearance but the statement was made in May 2007 and not passed to the PJ until October 2007. Given that a 3-year-old child had vanished and that, in such cases (we are told) time is of the essence & any lead is of vital importance, the PJ were prevented, in this instance by another police force, from investigating those allegations at the time they were made.

    How many times do we hear, during the course of an investigation, the police appealing to the public to ‘come forward with information no matter how trivial or irrelevant you think it may be - it may just provide a breakthrough?’ Yet this information was withheld by Leicestershire police for months and now, ironically, Eyre has chosen to deny it was withheld, just at a time when he knows that Amaral has no right of reply due to the gag order.

    I believe the Polícia Judiciária should be made fully aware of Chris Eyre’s statement so that they have an opportunity to respond. The controversy surrounding the withholding of the statement has been rumbling on since its publication in 2008 and needs to be clarified. Someone is being dishonest - is it Leicester police or the PJ?

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  46. Correction Findmadeleine.com

    If you highlight the picture of Madeleine's on the home page and immediately on "More information" the new video will play.

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  47. If the contents of those witness statements were to be revealed in the main media in UK, then something foul smelling and nasty really would be hitting the fan for the McCanns, and for others also.

    These are very serious statements given the circumstances of the disappearance of a little girl, and whoever decided to delay sending this information to the official investigators in Portugal should be exposed and asked to explain why it took so long to pass it on.

    If it weren't for Dr Amaral revealing this in his book, we would not have been made aware of this disgracful delay which looks like some sort of a cover up on the part of the UK Force.

    No wonder there are people in certain quarters want that book banned in UK.

    This also applies to other information which the investigators wanted, such as medical details regarding Madeleine. Are the McCanns above having such details sent to Portugal to aid the investigation?

    No, the UK did not cooperate fully at all.

    Which poses the question as to whether they would have if the McCanns had been from a lower social strata, and without the connections to people and power in high places. Would their children's medical details, and other information have been passed on if requested. What my betting it would have.

    I also think it is doubtful they would have received the same kid glove treatment the McCanns have received.

    I hope and pray that everybody who has hindered the pursuit of justice, plus 'he lies through every tooth in his head' (says the PJ and they should know) Clarence Mitchel, (Which lies are they alluding to specifically), will be brought to book for every lie and hinderence they have perpetrated in the attempt to find little Madeleine.

    I also think the UK and Portuguese taxpayers, who have contributed financially to all this, have a right to know just what has been going on.

    What the hell are we keeping a police force for if they are doing things like this? How can we trust them to give every aid and assistance to an investigation in future?

    The truth is, unless they come up with an explanation that makes sense, we can't.

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  48. I have that feeling since the begining: The Mccann's foolished the British authorities on the same way they foolish the public, football players, best sellers writers and the Pope. They start their strategie soon after the disapearence, playng with the shocked effect of the disapearence, in the public opinion, and before the doubts started raising the Media. This is why they involved the British Embassador from day one and some politicians more or less at the same time, in England. They play aswell with Media, feeding them with spin news which sale well.
    Soon the British Embassador realised that the story looks different then what the Mccann's want the public to believe and he send a letter ( which was available at several newspaper) to the foreign office reporting his concerns. At the time was already too late for G. Brown to step backwards because he already sended a spoke-person to help the Mccann's and S.Yard to work togheter with PJ. To step- backwards, he had to assume and publicly recognise that he had been foolshed by a group of Middle class doctors in a foreign Country. At the time, G. Brown was facing criticism all over the world about the Iraque and several doubts about the dead of the Russian guy at London restaurant with radioactive plutonio. THAT WAS THE FIRST LUCKY STEP ON MCCANN'S SPIN BUSINESS. Wonder... WHY THAT EMBASSADOR WAS SENDED BACK TO ENGLAND BEFORE ACCOMPLISHING HIS TIME IN PORTUGAL AND WHY SINCE THEN HE WAS NOT ANYMORE A DIPLOMATE?
    Now, of-course, G. Brown will do everything he can to avoid recognising that he have been foolished. THE SHAME is that a litle girl was serious harmed and justice was prevented for her. On top of that, a police Inspector in Portugal is persecuted and gagged in a criminal way, making Madeleine disapearence not a single crime, but a cockytail of crimes. A bad example for all developed Countrys.

    The persistence of the Public will not let this crime go away and fade without been solved. The authorities must keep this on their minds.

    Peraphs some courageous newspaper must start asking L. police about the specialised dogs. It was reported that the dogs have been involved in more then 200 investigations with success. Can L. police discredibilize the dogs after this 200 cases? If so... Are this 200 cases to be re-openned, re-evaluated and the evidences find by the dogs, dismissed? The dogs still working for British police? WE CAN'T WAIT TO SEE MR.EYRE answering such important questions.
    THE DOGS, ARE THE STONES ON MCCANN'S AND L. POLICE SHOES. Some L. polices have also a lot of questions to answer in a court. Since when, in a developed country, a local police replace the oficial country police? In which other British cases, Scotland yard have been replaced by a local police? What Scotland Yard discovered that needs to be concealed? A HORRENDOUS AND PERAPHS NOT ACCIDENTAL CRIME HAPENNED TO MADELEINE. POOR LITTLE GIRL.... her short life deserves much more respect from people which jobs should be protecting innocents. OUR BRAINS ARE NOT WASHABLE!!!!

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  49. The portuguese trust on their polices but not in Portuguese justice. TODAY MR. EYRE HAVE DONE A HUGE STEP TP DESCRIDIBILISE BRITISH POLICE. From his words we can achieve at one conclusion: THERE IS CORRUPTION IN BRITISH POLICE. SOME WORK ON THE BEHALF OF THE SUSPECTS PREVENTING JUSTICE TO HAPEN. MADDIE CASE WAS SHELVED, not CLOSED. The Mccann's had their ARGUIDOS STATUS lifted but remain suspects because there's not a single evidence of an abduction. All the evidences still pointing at them.... no matter of trillions of Carter-F.... and trillions of euros and pounds roling on that game.
    The " Fantastic parents" apeared in TV shows to made planetarium apeals, asking caring parents to look for a cartoon abductor and a teenage six years old girl, which they neglected. Over more then 2 years and several teams of experts and private detectives, they fail to show us a single prouve of the abduction. And what wonder's me..... AFTER MILLIONS OF EUROS AND POUNDS RAISED IN THE FUND, FROM PUBLIC DONNATIONS AND RICHE BAKERS, THEY NEVER.... EVER.... EVER.... OFFER A REWARD, small, big. HUGEEEE... to THE ABDUCTOR OR SOMEBODY CLOSE TO HIM. WHY? .... WHY, if you claim to be innocent parents of a kidnaped girl and promised not leaving stones unturnned?

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  50. Wonder to be a fly today in Berlim and watch the subject of the conversation between Brown and Socrates. Will be not the Berlin Wall, YAH? Peraphs... Mccann's, Freeport and the web which connects all issues...

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  51. http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/4258/

    Link to a Police blog....worth taking a look

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  52. Did I read that somebody is suggesting people go look at chaosraptor site.

    Last time I looked, I came away with the distinct impression that was a pro McCann site.

    Be warned and Beware.

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  53. Anon 47, the Medical reports from Kate and Maddie are not handed to Pj. Same with banks and Credit cards accounts. More smoke in the air, because the British authorities refused to gave the Bank accounts saying that the Mccann's had no Credit cads or known Bank accounts. Wonder how they pay Rothley mansion and their Holidays.... IN CASH OF-COURSE. We should remember aswell that close to that time, Gerry went back to England for a short trip and he reported to be vistim of a robery in an ATM machine. Very convennient......

    We can go on to show how british authorities have been so helpeless for Madeleine case- WHAT ABOUT THE SAGA OF THE ROGATORY LETTERS? AND THE LEICESTER POLICE RE-INTERWING THE TAPAS 7 ALOWING THEM TO GO TROUGH THE FIRST STATMENTS WHICH THEY GAVE TO PJ? AND THE FSS LAB REPORTS, ALWAYS PERSPONDED ... TO BE INCONCLUSIVE? WE follow the news and the investigation very close, since the begining. This UK police, will need a very acrobatic performance to fool the public from all over the world and convince it that the Mccann's have nothng to do with disapearence of the little girl.
    Every day, every new step show us that there is a cover-up and the British authorities, if they want to save thei faces and reputation, must expose the cover-up and help Pj to solve the case. YES, WE all agree, the case can be solved and will be solved log ago, if Amaral was not removed and the politicians did not play a game on Justice pitch.

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  54. What is it abot the Leicestershire Police? Only very recently a woman in Leicestershire poured petrol over her car and set light to it, killing herself and her disabled daughter. For years they had both suffered abuse and taunting at the hands of a local teenage gang, but the police took no notice of her persistent pleas for help, until eventually she gave up and took this desperate way out.

    According to the BBC report, "Temporary Chief Constable Chris Eyre of Leicestershire Police said he was 'extremely sorry' that police failed to help Ms. P and her daughter"

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  55. Anyone remember which Aunt collapsed on hearing the news about Madeleine. Was this the same Aunt that spoke about madeleines sleep walking and that she was found twice outside of the house...??

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  56. ironside ,if thats a real police blog,no wonder there are a lot of criminals walking free.

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  57. There is not an innocent explanation for evidences which dogs and police find. YES MR. EYRE?

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  58. A letter sent by a very concerned member of the public with regards to the twins....


    Ms. J. Havern, to Leics. Social Services.

    “To whom it may concern

    I am writing to express my concern about Kate and Gerry McCann’s four year old children, Sean and Amelie.

    You will no doubt be aware that their eldest daughter, Madeleine, disappeared in Portugal in May 2007. You will also be aware that the Portuguese police believe Madeleine died in their holiday apartment after British sniffer dogs detected blood and cadaver, and was later transported to her final resting place in the car they hired 25 days later.

    Whatever the truth of the matter is, there is no evidence whatsoever of an abduction.

    You will probably be aware that Gerry McCann has made a comment which has been published in several newspapers today (Scottish Daily Record, The Sun, The Mirror) as follows:

    http://news.google.com/news/story?ncl=dkrEA6nVbvyBYIMavtHkkmpn9D7EM&hl=en-GB&ned=us

    Gerry McCann: Madeleine’s brother and sister want to fight beast who took her

    “MADELEINE McCann’s brother and sister have started saying they want to find and fight the person who took her.

    The missing girl’s parents yesterday revealed four-year-olds Sean and Amelie are fiercely protective of their big sister.

    They were just two when Madeleine disappeared from their holiday flat in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007.

    Glasgow-born dad Gerry said: “They talk about her more than Kate and I talk about her – it’s incredible.

    “Now they are saying, ‘She’s been taken. When we find who took her, we’ll fight them.’ That doesn’t come directly from us saying that.

    “Amelie, this week in particular, was saying, ‘When I find that man, I’m going to do this and that.’ ”
    —-

    Considering that the twins were only two years old when their sister ‘disappeared’, they would still be young enough now not to remember any of the events of that night, particularly as they were asleep at the time anyway. It is obvious that the McCanns are instilling into the twins’ minds that Madeleine was taken by some kind of beast when no one knows this is a fact. They are certainly too young to learn this by themselves.

    I am concerned that this type of ‘brainwashing’ of two very young children is, in fact, emotional abuse which I find very disturbing, especially coming from two NHS doctors towards their own children. Any doctor worth his salt would realise the potential future problems for very young children by this kind of ‘parenting’. Indeed, the McCann’s already claim that Social Services commended their original neglect of their children by saying that leaving the children unattended in an unlocked apartment while they went out drinking was “well within the bounds of responsible parenting” and decided to take no action – not a luxury afforded to other parents in the UK who find themselves in jail for doing similar.

    It is one thing to keep Madeleine’s memory alive in the hope that she will return, but to instill images of Madeleine having been taken by some beast is the stuff serious nightmares are made of, not to mention future mental problems. One day the twins will be old enough to learn that their parents left all three of them alone every night of their holiday that week, despite Madeleine crying for an hour and a half as witnessed by Mrs Fenn, a neighbour.

    You can also read the Final Report of the Portuguese Police in full here (Maddie Case Files) but this is the summing up of the report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida:

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  59. cont

    “From everything that is exposed, the process files result in the following:

    A) the minor Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, on the night of the 3rd of May 2007;

    B) a simulation of an abduction took place;

    C) in order to render the child’s death impossible before 22H00, a situation of checking of the McCann couple’s children while they slept was made up;

    D) Kate McCann and Gerald McCann are involved in the concealment of the cadaver of their daughter, Madeleine McCann;

    E) at this moment, there seem to be no strong indications that the child’s death was not the result of a tragic accident, yet;

    F) from what has been established up to now, everything indicates that the McCann couple, in self-defence, doesn’t want to deliver the cadaver immediately and voluntarily, and there is a strong possibility that it was moved from the initial place of deposition. This situation may raise questions concerning the circumstances in which the death of the child took place.

    ***

    Therefore, we suggest that the case files are sent to the Republic’s Prosecutor, in the Lagos legal district, for:

    G) a possible new questioning of the arguidos Kate and Gerald McCann;

    H) an evaluation of the measure of restraint to be applied in this case;

    During the house search at the McCann couple’s residence, a diary style manuscript was found, already photocopied, possibly authored by Kate McCann; admitting that it may contain information that may help to reach the material truth of facts, WE PROPOSE THAT:

    I) the photocopies of said document are presented to the illustrious Judge for the purpose of its apprehension, if legal, its translation and eventual collection of information to be included in the process files, as necessary for the investigation.

    At this date, I subject the case files to your appreciation, for you to determine whatever you may see as convenient, hence I open:

    CONCLUSION

    On the tenth of September, two thousand and seven

    Chief Inspector

    (Tavares de Almeida)”

    These young children could well find themselves becoming paranoid about being ‘abducted’ by this beast themselves. Why would the McCann’s teach their children about ‘bogeymen’ when there is no need to? I do not believe a four year would have the presence of mind to say they would like to find this beast and fight him.

    You may also be aware that the investigating police officer, Gonçalo Amaral, wrote a book about the investigation and you can view it here translated into English

    http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/

    On that website you will also find much more information, including the video of the sniffer dogs detecting blood and death scent in various places including Mrs McCann’s clothes. These dogs have never been wrong – and, in any event, it would be wholly bizarre for two dogs to be wrong in exactly the same places.

    I would urge you to evaluate the McCann children urgently to ensure they are safe and well and to prevent them from future emotional problems, as is your responsibility.

    I look forward to hearing from you about what you intend to do about this matter.

    Thank you

    J Havern”

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  60. Anon...I make no judgement am just the messenger...

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  61. Might be wrong about this Ironside, but if I remember rightly it was Aunt Philomena or whatever her name is, who collapsed.

    She had a lot to say at one time but recently don't recall seeing her around.

    As for the sleepwalking, I thought it was Madeleine's gran who said that.

    It is all such a long time ago, but the information may still be around somewhere.

    The relatives at one time did a lot of talking, but now not a peep.

    It would be interesting to know how many of them have been out to Portugal doing a bit of stone turning. Literally, I mean.

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  62. ironside,i wasnt meaning any thing towards you,just seemed funny that there are quite a few on there that think they are innocent

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  63. Ironside

    Thank you for posting that. Let's hope the desired result is achieved.

    It makes everything much clearer to have it in front of us like that.

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  64. Hi Anon, I realise that Anon and no offence taken...Remember anon these are people that only know the Mccanns version , I doubt they have read the Police Files...

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  65. I doubt many people in the media know anything but the McCanns version either.

    There must have been confusion as to why the McCanns weren't charged, and the McCanns have taken advantage of this by repeating that they have been found innocent of all charges, even though there have been no charges brought yet.

    Until the media people actually do a bit of reading and research, they will continue printing whatever they are fed by the McCanns.

    It is hard to take any of them as seriously wanting to report the truth.

    Yet, I get the feeling it will only take one of them to take a stand and go against the McCann version and the rest will follow.

    The public are also getting bored with all these bogus sightings of Madeleine, or supposed clues here, there, and everywhere, that ultimately amount to NOTHING.

    It is turning into some kind of joke, repeated endlessly, with groans all round, as people are led around the garden time after time, when anybody with any intelligence would know that if there were an abductor, the last thing anybody would want to do is to alert them that they were on their trail.

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  66. http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/139198/Mum-quizzed-by-police-over-smack-threat

    Here we have another example. This mum and what has happened to her...on the other side we have two Doctors who left their children while on a family holiday and the word 'NEGLECT' is not even mentioned.If the Mccanns version were true, if the children had not been left alone there would have not been an opportunity for an abduction.

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  67. Has anyone placed together the last photo of Madeleine and the latest aged photo?..I have no idea what is going on but Madeleine now has the looks of a teenager and her eye'Fleck' is of no more importance. We are also according to the Mccanns not looking for the abductor but the abductors family and friends.Will there soon been photofits of what these family and friends may look like?

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  68. Perhaps whatever happened to Madeleine didn't happen to her when her parents/parent were absent?

    That is why the Prosecutor has not made charges yet, because he does not know for sure what happened to Madeleine.

    Only it is believed that she is dead and then removed from apartment.

    Where is she now, who knows, but it sounds like detectives are still working on this.

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  69. well we all know where the leicestershire police loyalties lie and its not with madeleine

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  70. Interesting site showing that the "last photo" was a fake

    http://littlemorsals.blogspot.com/2009/08/connie-sonne-has-something-to-say.html
    http://www.conniesonne.dk/25057823?i=30411995

    Connie Sonne visited Patricia and Sandy Cameron, and took a photo of a framed set of photos on the wall of their house. The centre photo of Maddie was the one used in the "what must have been fake" "last photo"

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  71. Anonymous at 69, perhaps not with the top brass, but what do the others really think.

    That might be a real eye opener.

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  72. Surely the question to be asked of this cop was why did you take so long to send the witness statements about David Payne and Gerry McCann to the Portuguese Investigation Team investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

    So why didn't they ask it?

    Dr Amaral never said it was not sent on, he said it took a long time for them to send it to Portugal.

    So why so long, can you answer the question Mr Policeman, or would having to answer it wipe the smile off your face?

    You are paid for by the tax payers who are expecting you to be doing your job.

    The question again is, why so long in the sending?

    I hope the newspapers do go back and ask this question again.

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  73. There were other couples on that infamous Majorcan holiday. Like the Gaspars, will they come forward and give their side of the story? How has David Payne managed to stay silent for so long? How was his wife able to smile for newspaper photographers during a recent charity race? Has she no conscience?

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  74. Thanks Sharon for putting up Mrs Gaspar's statement.

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  75. re- #70 http://www.conniesonne.dk/........... totally crackers

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  76. It sure is looking certain that the McCanns have been protected from the top on down since the get go, even to the point of dismissing what an Ambassador is saying.

    He is gone, but what's betting he wont have changed his opinion and people do talk. He will still be mixing in the higher echelons of society.

    Roll on the election and our chance to get rid of Brown. Let's hope this will make a big difference.

    There has/and still is a conspiracy of silence going on at a top level, and it needs exposing.

    It will be.

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  77. Anon.#72, from what I recall reading, not only did the Gaspars statements take an incredibly long time to reach Portugal and the PJ, but also those potentially vital docs. were sent concealled among a stack of routine paper-work, as if they meant nothing, only another unimportant report just for the archives! The finding of those statements is yet another proof of the professional and meticulous work that was done by the PJ, the investigators could have simply put that block of documentation to one side, they could have had read of the first few and as those were routine and unimportant papers they could very well have assumed that the rest of it was all the same and filled the lot. But that didn't happen, they took the trouble to read every single one of those and came across the Gaspars statements. I bet they were astonished to find the statements there, statements that should have been forwarded with the utmost urgency and taken very seriously by the Leicester Police! I believe it was either sent to Portugal by mistake among the paper-work,or, someone in the Leicester Constabulary felt that it had to reach the portuguese investigators somehow, and that was the only way he/she could do it.

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  78. I am just posting on the Casey Anthony site..I saw a post from a therapist describing the type of person Anthony is..by the way they have in evidence now the Chlor...and a syringe..Casey is another who said her daughter had been abducted. Her explanation of the smell detected in the boot was down to two dead squirrels and a rotting Pizza filled with maggots'''''...Casey if found guilty will face the death penalty.

    Apologize have gone from the point I wanted to make..

    I read the description but have changed the name Casey to Gerry and 'she' to 'he' . The rest is the same. I think this describes perfectly Dr.Gerald Mccann .

    Gerald Mccanns superego is pure evil. He is to be feared rather than hated. He is filled with hatred for anyone he cannot manipulate while having a boatload of narcissism and love of self that has no bounds.

    Gerald Mccann

    Casey Anthony.......Both claim their child was abducted.

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  79. Anon 77, what an excellent thought. Thoughts of a good cop.

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  80. I think the biggest question is, what if anything did Rebello do when the PJ DID receive the statement ?
    and if the answer is nothing, then why ?

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  81. This article is enlightening:

    "In my 38 years of police and private security work all over the world I've never known anything like the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

    To the outsider it has all the ingredients of a classic Agatha Christie-style whodunit - but in reality it's far more complex and heartbreaking, because it involves the disappearance of a little girl.

    I spent a week in Praia da Luz where Madeleine went missing, "walking the shop floor" as I call it, going over the available evidence and unearthing some startling new information about the case. And in what will surely be another hammer-blow to the McCanns' hopes of finding their little daughter, I've discovered from lengthy talks with my barrister contact that Portuguese investigators have unofficially abandoned the hunt for Madeleine's alleged abductor.

    There is now NO detective work being carried out by Portuguese police to link anyone other than the McCanns to Maddie's disappearance. Officially, they say they're continuing the search for an abductor. But their policy is now to only respond to sightings reported to them by Europol and Interpol.

    The officers leading the investigation are pinning their hopes on the DNA evidence, getting some sort of confession from the McCanns or their friends, or finding Madeleine's body.

    They remain convinced of her parents' guilt, apparently unwilling to consider another scenario, even as their "house of cards" case collapses around them. Another fresh revelation that undermines the Portuguese effort is that police also failed to take DNA samples from Madeleine's little brother Sean, two, and his twin sister, Amelie, until their parents were made "arguidos", or suspects, just over two weeks ago. This failure has seriously undermined the whole forensic case against the McCanns. It means early forensic work is flawed and needs to be re-examined. A process that could take months.

    Evidence gathered by the Portuguese police against the McCanns which we have learned about in the past couple of weeks depends entirely on forensic tests, including DNA evidence, so-called bodily fluids and hair. Yet I have found that evidence has been fatally flawed through their own incompetence. The apartment was also not sealed off properly, meaning any evidence was contaminated from the outset.

    Also, I can now see the McCanns in no way abandoned their kids, as some have suggested. I was amazed at how close their apartment was to the tapas restaurant. After just a few hours it was also possible to dispel some of the slurs that have been levelled at the McCanns. Gerry did not call Sky TV before he called the police, as the Portuguese media has claimed. Police now know this was done by Gerry's sister, Philomena, in Glasgow. But they have allowed that rumour to fester.

    The McCanns are also deeply religious, yet the Portuguese police want us to believe they have disposed of their daughter's body at sea or buried it in unconsecrated ground.

    The police now need to halt their campaign to pin this awful crime on two innocent people and bring in new officers for a complete overhaul with fresh eyes. It's back to square one.

    MY FOUR THEORIES

    1. Maddie was snatched by an opportunist paedophile. He only planned to abuse her but panicked, possibly strangled her and took the body. Profile: White male, 20-35, single, lives with mother. Known to police, knew resort.

    2. A planned abduction, plotted in UK, in which she was "snatched to order" by a paedophile gang. Profile: British, male or female, 20-40, living alone.

    3. Someone holding a grudge against the McCanns. Profile: Impossible to estimate, but likely to be more than one person.

    4. Snatched by local childless couple. Profile: Portuguese, 30-45.

    I am afraid to say it is most likely Maddie is dead. And I fear the failure of the Portuguese investigation could lead to the shadow of suspicion hanging over the McCanns for years to come".

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  82. The article above was written by a Mr Dai Davies, who at one time protected the Royal Family and obviously worked for Scotland Yard. What chance do future kids have is a Police Officer, albeit a retired one, is condoning leaving kids alone?? More and more kids will end up like Maddie thanks to him. DISGUSTING is the only word I can use to sum up what he has irresponsibly written.

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  83. Out of curiousity checked http://www.conniesonne.dk/, and agree with anonymous 75. ABSOLUTE BONKERS. :))

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  84. Daily express: KATE AND GERRY MCCANN: SORRY
    The Daily Express today takes the unprecedented step of making a front-page apology to Kate and Gerry McCann. We do so because we accept that a number of articles in the newspaper have suggested that the couple caused the death of their missing daughter Madeleine and then covered it up. We acknowledge that there is no evidence whatsoever to support this theory and that Kate and Gerry are completely innocent of any involvement in their daughter's disappearance. We trust that the suspicion that has clouded their lives for many months will soon be lifted. As an expression of its regret, the Daily Express has now paid a very substantial sum into the Madeleine Fund and we promise to do all in our power to help efforts to find her. Kate and Gerry, we are truly sorry to have added to your distress. We assure you that we hope Madeleine will one day be found alive and well and will be restored to her loving family.

    xxxxxx

    A reminder of the APOLOGY...

    We promise to do all in our power to help efforts to find her...

    From recent reporting from the 'Express' they seem to be doing just that.

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  85. I agree with post #80. I, too, would like to know what the Portuguese investigators have done with the Gaspars' statements. We know they've had them for two years now!

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  86. Thanks for posting that LJC. at 81 and 82

    I have just one thing to say to the so called detective who wrote that,

    WOOF, WOOF!!! Has he deliberately forgotton something or has he no explanation for it, so doesn't bother to try explaining?

    He appears to have been very selective in his deducing. Gerry McCann wouldn't have deduced it better. Is he a pal of theirs or something?

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  87. From post 81 "I was amazed at how close their apartment was to the tapas restaurant."
    And I am amazed at not being able to understand the relativity of the closeness - is it 1m, 10m, 30, 50, 100m, 120m?

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  88. This guy is another idiotic irresponsible excuser of leaving kids alone and going out for the evening.

    How can we take anything the idiot says seriously.

    The child is missing you twit, SHE HAS COME TO SERIOUS HARM WHILE HER PARENTS LEFT HER ALONE IN AN UNLOCKED APARTMENT AND GONE OUT FOR THE NIGHT.

    The parents were not in their back garden, they were quite some way away and could not have got back in seconds in an emergency.

    Whatever, she is missing!!

    The cadaver dog is indicating she is DEAD, something you have chosen to ignore in your defence of the McCanns.

    The investigators also have 'stand alone' evidence of this, something you are not privy to as you are not to most of the evidence either.

    Why don't you push off out of it silly man and find something else to do, because you don't appear to have a clue as to what was going on, unlike the real detectives who worked on the case and all came to the conclusion that the child died in the apartment.

    There was no abduction.

    How much more rubbish by these so called investigators like this man do we have to endure. Is he seriously getting paid for this.

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  89. Anon 88, I found on the internet that DD is the former head of the Royalty and Diplomatic Protection Squad. What is the diplomatic protection squad? Another connection to diplomats in this case?
    Perhaps he thinks the McCs are good parents because they left the apartment so nice and clean.

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  90. Who is protecting David Payne? The McCanns have taken action against Amaral because of his opinion given the facts that Maddie is dead and the parents simulated an abduction. Nowhere in their legal arguments do they mention his allegations against Payne. Does that mean that Payne will need to sue Amaral seperately?

    I think it's time to move slightly away from the suspicions surrounding the the McCanns and apply serious pressure on Payne. This case might only be resolved if the other players are taken completely out of their comfort zone as IMO they are not as sheilded as the McCanns. I think the weak links in the Tapas group are Payne, O'Brien and Tanner. If sufficient pressure is put on them, I believe they will crack!

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  91. I think you make a good point there ShuBob.

    And when you think about it, there can't be that many people who knew those kids were in that unlocked apartment, alone and unprotected, at that time of night.

    They were the ones who knew the routine better than anyone else. They were the ones who were in and out of the apartments.

    Some serious questions should really be asked of these people, not just where were you at what time. They all had plenty of time to get together and work that one out.

    O'Brien was supposedly away changing sheets, and his wife subsequently alibied him with her alleged sighting of bundleman with child. A story that has changed with the telling.

    Payne, with the witness statements from concerned onlookers, and that pact of theirs?

    What is that all about??

    Is it automatic pass for doctors and don't ask them hard questions??

    Is it only people like Murat who should endure that?

    After all, he is not a doctor. Yet he was dragged through the mud because of allegations by some of these people which turned out to be untrue.

    Did they apologise to him yet?

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  92. Anonymous 91 - it's hard to fathom none of the tapas seem to have been under any serious scrutiny. They should all have undergone rigorous examination at the same time,to avoid the possibility of cross referencing each other's testimony. The pact of silence quote most probably was, as Kate McCann said in the recent round of interviews, the result of the judicial secrecy in place when it was said. Regarding a high level cover up, this may well be true, but is more likely to be concerned with protecting the image of 6 doctors working for the NHS, and possibly the NHS itself, to minimise potential for scandal, than any government conspirancy. Surely what was being uncovered during the first day/s regarding doctor's children being regularly left alone was enough, never mind rumours of sedation, to require the urgent services of an experienced government spin doctor to start damage limitation? Having read the files, it seems those involved have been less than truthful but perhaps to protect jobs and reputations? Perhaps this may go some way to explain the the group's evasive and shifty responses and bizarre behaviour, rather than anything more sinister.

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  93. Anon.92. I agree with you that while those closely involved no doubt have something to hide, a high-level cover-up does not seem likely. For the simple reason that if there were such a cover-up the powers-that-be would have made sure that the whole matter sank into oblivion a long time ago. After all, there are plenty of other equally tragic or mystifying events which the public has forgotten about within a few weeks, let alone more than two years. But in this case, just as the world is on the point of forgetting all about it, up pop the McCanns once more to remind us. You don´t cover something up successfully if someone keeps pulling back the blanket!

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  94. Was Payne asked any difficult questions regarding the witness statements, or did he get a pass?

    He had free, alone and unfettered, access to Madeleine, as did the other men in the Tapas group.

    Nobody else would get a pass like this crowd if they had been in such close proximity to the child as they were and she disappeared.

    Nor should they.

    Who knows who anybody really is, or what people are capable of if they had the chance.

    Dr Shipman should be a serious warning to the cops, he got away with murder for years because nobody would suspect him of doing something like that. And he no doubt knew it.

    He was arrogant to the last.

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  95. Anon 92 -

    No, I don't think that is sufficient explanation. There is, as the experienced Mr. Stalker says, something more. How much more is difficult to judge because so much about this case is hidden and presumably there are injunctions in place which have prevented reporting on the private lives of teh Tapas 9.

    The pact of silence was definitely NOT a result of the judicial secrecy. The Tapas 9 were perfectly happy to talk about the case, witness identification, their movements on the night, and the modus operandi of the "perpetrator" - when it suited them.


    I throw in another amazing fact - given the amount of money that could be made from a book about the case, isn't it amazing that in the UK no reputable writer has come forward to produce one. What can be stopping them? It certainly isn't a lack of potential income! It must be one of the following: super-injunctions, fear of libel action or the informal self-censorship operating among publishers (which is why presumably Amaral has not been able to find a UK publisher despite the evident interest that his book would arouse).

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  96. If only somebody in authority in Portugal would come out and open their mouths and back up what Mr Amaral is saying, in that the little girl died in the apartment.

    The UK press would run with that.

    At the moment the McCanns are managing to shut up anybody who says differently to their abduction theory, but they would not be able to shut up an official statement.

    And the media should be informed officially by the Portuguese that the McCanns were not cleared of all charges as they keep telling people, because so far there hasn't been any.

    How many of the UK media read files or do much research, they would rather run with some headline feed by the McCann Team. It makes life easier.

    The lifting of the arguido status does not mean they were found innocent, and they could still be made arguidos again. If only the Portuguese police would say that.

    They did make a comment about CM that he lied through his teeth, so come on PJ, how about commenting again.

    The McCanns are making you out to be hopeless, don't you realise that. Your silence is allowing them to get away with that.

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  97. It makes me wonder whether the Portuguese realise how their country is being portrayed because of the Madeleine McCann case, and the their abduction theory which they are being allowed to spread as fact.

    How many people are being put off holidaying in Portugal by the constant portrayal by Team McCann of scarey looking photofits and the like, and reports of sinister, suspicious people supposedly hanging around the holiday resort looking to snatch a child.

    Portugal should fight back against this.

    PLEASE SOMEBODY IN AUTHORITY IN PORTUGAL COME OUT AND MAKE A STATEMENT REFUTING WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.

    Or don't those in authority in Portugal care about the portrayal of the country and of the PJ as a bunch of idiots because they refuse to go along with the abduction theory.

    Sorry to say this Portugal but the McCanns are running rings around your country, and they also manage to silence free speech in Portugal courtesy of the Portuguese judiciary, and now they are wanting you to accept their abduction scenario and to like them.

    Are you also donating to their fund, when those who worked on the case in Portugal say she is dead?

    We are waiting Portugal, we are waiting, for somebody in authority to put an end to this and speak out.

    THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING.

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  98. Anon 92
    Ends its post "rather than anything more sinister"
    Whats your explanation for jane Tanners story and alibi for g.MCCANN,The Dogs findings and all the other facts of the case which
    points to NO ABDUCTION ?


    Sherlock.

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  99. A great deal of time was lost by the McCanns abduction theory.

    If there had been a body for the finding at the beginning, and it had been treated as a death by possible murder/manslaughter the questions for the Tapas crowd would be a different.

    As it was, the timeline for checking was thought important and was geared towards looking for the opportunity for the big bad man to nip in and grab Madeleine.

    A difficult feat for the so called abductor, as that particular night they said there was a new routine for checking the kids of about ten minutes between checks, with each person not only checking their own children but each others as well.

    Bit of a balancing act that, as there had to be time between all this checking for the abduction to occur, plus them not being in line for a charge of negligence as on the other nights the kids were left for up to an hour at a time with each person only checking their own.

    Why was the routine changed that night? Was it really changed that night?

    The McCanns are still directing the abduction show, look here, look there, do this, do that, as they were from the beginning. Don't look at us they are saying, look for the man who stole Madeleine in the night.

    It was only when the dogs were brought in that the direction really changed and the media control was snatched from their hands, and the McCanns don't like that.

    The arguido status being taken off, and a bit of spin that they are innocent of all charges, has won the control back for them. That, and the threat to sue anybody who dares to suggest the McCanns played a role in what happened to Madeleine.

    The truth is the McCanns and the Tapas crowd did get a pass on the hard questions because of the abduction theory being generated so quickly and successfully at the beginning by the McCanns.

    The Tapas crowd simply walked away and no hard questions asked then or later.

    Whereas, they should be regarded as suspects along with the parents.

    The dog found the scent of death in that apartment and blood was found at the same place.

    Somebody died, a child is missing. Nobody prior to the child going missing had died in the apartment. Logic and common sense say the child is dead, though the police are not going by this only.

    How did little Madeleine die when all these people were supposedly looking out for her, and they had free access in and out of the apartment when she was there alone?

    Why should any of them be allowed to be written off as suspects.

    I hope this case is reopened again soon, and some harder questions asked of these people.

    The public needs to know the truth of what happened to this poor defenceless child.

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  100. Jane Tanner's statement of seeing bundleman could easily be torn apart in a court of law as she has changed it so many times.

    This is really being pushed by the McCanns as FACT. How handy for their abductor theory, and incidentally comes complete with alibis for Gerry and Jane Tanner's husband.

    Yet they choose to ignore the Mr Smith sighting at a later time, presumably as it's too close for comfort to the likeness of Gerry carrying a Madeleine lookalike child.

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  101. all thoes people who are protecting the mccanns, YOU HAVE ALL SOLD YOUR SOLE FOR A DOLLAR,and every time you see a mention of a liitle girl called madeleine just remember, YOU HAVE ALL SOLD YOUR SOLE FOR A DOLLAR.
    DOES IT MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD KNOWING THAT.

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  102. Why have all the web sites exploring an alternative view to
    the abduction theory being closed down? Why are voices and views being crushed or silenced by threat of libel?This, in itself, must
    be creating deep suspicion, even amongst ardent Mccann supporters
    and media. The silence is becoming deafening! I suspect, maybe, the
    ground is being prepared for a possible legal case involving the Mccanns.A 'fair' trial?

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  103. Thanks for the replies to my post the other day and apologies for not responding sooner - I'm not online as often as I'd like. To clarify, I've been questioning some of my own conclusions after reading the files, trying to be open minded and consider other possiblilities. Like many, I wonder why the entire tapas group,as people with access to Madeleine, weren't thoroughly investigated and either eliminated or charged if warranted. I think the diplomatic/government intervention wasn't part of a conspiracy, as I said above. The hypothesis I was considering was, could the children have all been given sedatives to allow the parents to meet every night around the same time and therefore an already sedated child taken; how would that have affected the statements and behaviour of the group? It would explain why they knew instantly it was abduction and said she couldn't have got out on her own, but couldn't or wouldn't explain why they knew that and couldn't or wouldn't explain so many other things. While most people would be willing to investigated and ruled out, perhaps in this case living under suspicion is the lesser evil than the potentially very serious consquences on lives and careers which may have followed. It's unfortunate they seem to have evaded the thorough scrutiny they should have undergone right at the beginning and hopefully it's not too late for that. I realise it's by no means the only possiblity but think that if an abduction did take place, something is preventing the truth from being fully told. Anonymous 92

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  104. Anon at 103

    You are dismissing the dogs, and if the child was dead why would somebody abduct a dead child.

    If sedation was being used, this could result in an accidental death.

    Madeleine was a sleepwalker. If she had been put to sleep, there's a good chance she would walk while she was asleep, and anything could happen in an apartment with no adult there watching out for her.

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  105. 103 - If the children had been sedated as you say, then surely the parents would not have left the patio doors unlocked and any abductor would had to have broken in...but we know there is no evidence of a break in. Plus they would have had to UNLOCK the patio doors. Otherwise the parents would be lying and why would you lie about that? Why would you lie - say you left the doors unlocked.That woudl just make things look worse.

    As usual, nothing in the Team McCann narrative makes sense.

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  106. The McCanns didn't come out with the 'unlocked door' statement until it was found that the so called abductor could not come in through the window because the blind would not lift from outside.

    Originally they were saying he had broken in through the window and got back out the same way. With their change to an unlocked door they are now saying he came in through the door and out the window because the blind could be lifted from the inside.

    When the blind was checked for fingerprints there was only Kate's prints on them.

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