24 February 2010

Gerry and Kate McCann: who do you sue?

 Baroness Buscombe: said the PCC had held 'numerous discussions internally' about the McCann case

by Anna Andress

The Guardian 24/02/10

"Baroness Buscombe, the chairman of the Press Complaints Commission, today defended the regulator's failure to launch an inquiry into press coverage of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in 2007.

Buscombe, who took up her role in April last year, was speaking after the House of Commons culture, media and sport select committee criticised the PCC for staying silent for 10 months after McCann went missing while newspapers were apparently breaching its code of practice.

"In any other industry suffering such a collective breakdown ... any regulator worth its salt would have instigated an inquiry," the MPs said in their report. "It is an indictment on the PCC's record, that it signally failed to do so."

But Buscombe said the PCC had been constrained to act because the McCann family had not made a formal complaint to the watchdog about newspaper coverage.

The McCanns instead took legal action that resulted in a £550,000 payout from Express Newspapers, a private settlement with Associated Newspapers and an apology from the News of the World.

"It's very important to put it in context," Buscombe told The Media Show on BBC Radio 4 today.

"What actually happened was that as soon as the story broke, the PCC was very much in touch with the McCann family and repeatedly offered to help.

"The McCanns and the PCC over the months that followed were in touch and indeed Gerry McCann in this inquiry actually praised the PCC for helping very much in terms of privacy matters relating to their other children."

Buscombe said the PCC had held "numerous discussions internally" about the McCann case.

"The difficulty that it had was that it's very difficult for a self-regulatory body such as ours to actually pre-empt and decide in some ways whether a headline or statements that are being made are something that we should be tackling without proper engagement of the complainants."
The important points I would extract from the above article are:

1) As a self-regulatory body, the PCC was constrained from acting without formal complaints from the McCanns.

2) The PCC offered to help the McCanns.

3) Instead of accepting PCC assistance, and making formal complaints, the McCanns launched legal action and were awarded £550,000 as an out of court settlement from the Express Group.

The problem is, I guess, that making formal complaints and possibly extracting retraction and apologies via that route does not net any cash! Just let the newspapers get on with it and then sue them! Good little money-spinner there!

And talking about just letting them get on with it and then suing them, why did the McCanns wait so long to sue Gonçalo Amaral over the alleged defamation in his book, "The Truth of the Lie."? This book was published at the end of July 2008, yet it wasn't until May 2009 that the McCanns stated their intention to sue.

"The parents of Madeleine McCann are to sue former Portuguese police detective Goncalo Amaral for defamation.< Kate and Gerry McCann are taking action over "unfounded and grossly defamatory claims", their spokesman said." BBC 17/05/09

The McCanns decided on the figure of £1 million (£1.2 million Euros) as the sum they wish to claim for defamation against the former PJ police officer.

What they are demanding
£430,000 damages for Madeleine which will be used to continue the search for her.
£215,000 for each parent for the emotional distress the book has caused them. They say they suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'. The writ also says Kate McCann is 'steeped in a deep and serious depression'.
£86,000 for each of their twins Sean and Amelie, who could hear his allegations when they start school in September.

How he made his money
£500,000 from the book which has sold 180,000 copies in Portugal alone.
£430,000 from the extra 150,000 books which have been sold in Brazil, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Holland.
£100,000 for a TV documentary watched by one in five people in Portugal - 75,000 copies have sold on DVD. The McCann File*

So, it rather looks like the McCanns waited, once again, to take legal action, this time until it appeared that Gonçalo Amaral had made a significant amount of money from his book, and was therefore worth suing. One wonders why the McCanns didn't sue the author of the book A Culpa dos McCann (The McCanns' Guilt) Manuel Catarino. Never heard of this book, whose publication pre-dates that of Gonçalo Amaral by seven months? Perhaps that's why the author has not been sued! The book didn't sell! He wasn't worth suing!

So, what next? The McCanns have won the next round of their action to have Amaral's book banned. However, at present there is another case in the process of going through the legal channels in Portugal. Robert Murat, the first person to be named arguido in the case, is taking action against Jane Tanner and three others of the McCann friends with whom they went on that fateful holiday to Praia da Luz in May 2007. I await with great interest the result of that case and wonder if and how it might affect the re-opening of the Maddie case and the McCanns attempts to extract money from Dr Amaral.


originally published at Anna Andress blog [leave your comments at Anna's site]

*[information alleged by the McCanns at a Sunday Mirror article]


103 comments:

  1. Wonder what they got for their 'private settlement with Associated Newspapers'
    Anyone know?

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  2. ....or am I being thick and that was the Express pay off???

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  3. Can somebody please tell me if Amaral is at least allowed to talk about this case or is he still forbiden of doing it?

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  4. Wonder what that 'indefinable fear' they are suffering from is about?

    The truth about what happened to Madeleine maybe?

    How can that be Sr Amaral's fault?

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  5. If you wait long enough the mccanns will get around to suing everybody who doesn't follow the team mccann line.I'm waiting for the knock on my door! Hold on though, I don't have enough money to interest them!

    Judy

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  6. 3 he is forbidden to speak about the thesis of Madeleine's death, which coincidentally is the same conclusion shared and obtained by the Judiciary Portuguese Police and British authorities during the investigation. TVI, Valentim de Carvalho and Guerra e Paz as well.

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  7. I`m confused. Are we talking about `the regulator`s failure to launch an inquiry` into the vile treatment of Goncalo Amaral by the UK press?

    It cannot be regarding how the McCanns have been treated because the press have been nothing but supportive to the McCanns and allowed the McCanns to `use` them.

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  8. My guess is, they think the more people they sue they are distracting attention from themselves. Sadly for them I really don't think it is working. More and more people are starting to ask questions and don't trust their version of events. Fact!

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  9. OMG It is unbearable, the idea that the Mccanns will benefit from the money I paid for the book.

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  10. "The writ also says Kate McCann is 'steeped in a deep and serious depression'.

    Yes, well she would wouldn`t she ... but .... why is that GA`s fault? All he`s done is try and find your missing daughter - surely you should be thanking him. Talk about ungrateful.

    Louise

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  11. 10.. That would be right Kate is in a deep and serious depression, I think I would be, married to Gerry. Wipe the smirk off your face Gerry and just maybe people might start to take you seriously, then again perhaps not!!

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  12. 9. Might I suggest you sue them.

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  13. So KM is 'steeped in a deep and serious depression', well the celebrity party in London was really to cheer her up then, poor thing, how did she find the strength. In English libel law, at least, the complainant doesn't have to prove the hurt. So I suppose she could say that every time the clock strikes, her head revolves completely round, if she wanted to?

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  14. Doesn't this just make your sides rip with laughter?

    So this is their situation: 'Okay, this book is causing us serious emotional distress. Let us count the ways: permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear. Oh, and Kate can't seem to escape her deep and serious depression. LET US WAIT another year or so and then claim damages. I'm sure we can survive a year without food or sleep....'

    Sure. I'll piss myself laughing if any judge thinks it's just to award damages. Piss myself, I tell you...I swear!

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  15. http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmcumeds/362/36209.htm

    "532. In the case of the McCanns, Sir Christopher Meyer, the then PCC Chairman, argued to us that the issue was not about whether PCC was able or willing to assist the couple, but rather that a choice needed to be made by the McCanns themselves, between using the PCC's services or going to the courts: "What I said to Gerry McCann when I first met him was, this is what the PCC can do for you, this is how we can help. If you want damages, if it comes to that, we do not do money, the courts do money, so you are going to have to make a choice."[491]"


    The McCanns did not place a formal complaint, they were contacted several times and given advice by the PCC, but they were not interested in the sort of advice and assistance they PCC had to offer. Why? Well, two little words put them off: NO MONEY! The PCC does not do money, courts do! Thank you PCC, but no, thanks!

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  16. Anonymous @ 13: "So I suppose she could say that every time the clock strikes, her head revolves completely round, if she wanted to?" =))

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  17. I wonder if Gerry wrote her a sick note and gave her a prescription.

    Louise

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  18. A deep and serious depression? Three years of posing for the media with a broad smile on her face as she holds up her child's pajama top, as she leaves a church on her child's birthday, as she poses for the cover of tabloid magazines? Perhaps if she'd appeared depressed, if she'd stopped color coordinating her jewelry to her colorful outfits, if she'd stopped getting those stupid highlights in her hair, wearing the eyeliner and lipstick - in other words, if she'd once appeared as any normal mother whose child was missing might look - MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHILD THAN ABOUT HER APPEARANCE - perhaps I'd have some compassion for her depression.

    As it is, I'd simply like her to tell the truth about what happened to her daughter.

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  19. I was able to read the judge's decision and what I understood the terms of the injunction are much less restrictive than the first one. The judge refers to GA's thesis which the respondents cannot discuss but doesn't that leave the possibility of their being able to discuss Tavares de Almeida's "thesis" instead as per his report of 10/09/07? The stingy pair also wanted TVI and G&P convicted of má fé and made to pay the McCanns' court costs. Fortunately the judge rejected it.
    The judge points out that GA was unable to provide definite proof of his thesis but as far as I know the McCanns have not provided any evidence much less proof to support their abduction fairy tale.
    Caroline

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  20. They say they suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'. The writ also says Kate McCann is 'steeped in a deep and serious depression'.

    It must be hard living looking over your shoulder for the rest of your life and waiting for that knock on the door.
    Was your night out on May 3rd worth it?
    At least i can sleep at night http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/4.gif

    They think were all http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/35.gif

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  21. Why did you not take Sir Christophers advice Gerry and complain? why did you let months of reporting go unchecked and then sue?

    Why was that because most of the reports contained stories of different 'suspects'including Murat and his girlfiend? Or because half of them described Amaral as a disgraced drunken idiot and worse or that the Portuguese nation as being sardine munching pedophiles or their police force as being corrupt and lazy?

    So you waited for what? A picture of the twins whom you yourself had used in your campaign to convince us that you and your wife were just a young "naive" professional couple with children who had made one terrible mistake? Personally Id like to count the number of articles without derogatory comments about the investigation that dont claim there are others'in the frame'. Id bet there are very few and not worth the £550,000 the intimidated Express settled for. Is Amaral now supposed to setttle Gerry? This time you will have to fight through the courts and if Amaral has to pay you more than a penny compensation we will know theres something very wrong with our legal systems- namely they were invented before you. You are indeed special whatever happens you two are going to be in the history books and a warning to police forces everywhere.

    Oh and for future reference thirty nine/forty isnt young and the words naive and consultant/GP dont go together the whole concept borders on the ridiculous.

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  22. Well done Baroness Buscombe for speaking out and defending the PCC. It is standard procedure in UK that in order to get redress you first have to make a complaint. Did this Commons Committee expect some red carpet to be rolled out for the gruesome twosome?

    I agree with others above, there was one simple reason Gerry McCann steadfastly refused to make a complaint, because that would have stopped him cashing in with a libel action. He did not care at all about their so called reputation, which is actually a joke really. If he did they would hardly have waited so long to start actions against either the Daily Express or Goncalo Amaral, in the latter case, they cynically waited until he had made sufficient money for him to be worthwhile suing. This action in particular has really opened the public's eyes to what Gerry in particular has always been about, cashing in on a daughter he disposed of.

    "And we did say that there were lessons to be learnt from that, absolutely. We just think it's regrettable in some ways that the McCann family didn't actually come to us for us to be able to act on their behalf." (Baroness Buscombe)

    I would also like to pose the question how come they extracted the cash from the Daily Express et al, The Daily Mail/London Evening Standard, but, in the case of the News of the World, just settled for an apology? Was that because the News of the World are such great friends of this sleazy cash grabbing pair? I think so.

    The paper that told us a full 6 weeks later, well Kate knew immediately Madeleine had been abducted because Cuddlecat was placed on a high shelf, a lie, in a series of lies we have been treated to as kate seeks to explain how she suddenly had this divine knowledge but even so rushed off and left the twins with the door open! There is only one word you could really use for the utterances of Kate and Gerry McCann as they heap one lie on top of another just like criminals do, utter bullshit.

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  23. @ post #1, I don't know how much they got from Associated Newspapers but I know they got A LOT MORE than apology from the NoTW; £125,000 infact according to Clarence Mitchell!

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  24. Well IF the fragrant couple are indeed in as unstable a mental state as they are claiming, then I do hope that social services are aware of this. Going by their past record of 'losing' their eldest child, I do not think they ought to be left alone to parent the other two whilst so obviously in such an emotionally fraught condition.

    On the other hand, it's just another load of McBollocks isn't it!

    Derek

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  25. No doubt the mental state will get even worse if there is a chance of them being charged in the case of the disappearance of their daughter.

    Did that happen that last time that prospect was on the horizon?

    Is that why the case was stood down?

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  26. Thanks for that info ShuBob.
    There's no stopping this money grabbing pair - is there!
    They make me want to vomit.

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  27. "£86,000 for each of their twins Sean and Amelie, who could hear his allegations when they start school in September"

    Right. "WHO COULD HEAR" as basis for a claim for damages?? Are we talking about injury suffered - and, if so, what? - or injury that they MAY (ie, no guarantee) suffer?

    Regardless, £86,000 is one hefty price for a pair of earplugs.

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  28. In the little utopia in which I live, the PCC is more concerned about offending millions of foreign people with racist comments than it is about the feelings of two selfish, lying child neglectors. Sad and delusional aren't I?

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  29. 28 Utterly stupid - they are just as likely, in fact they are more likely, to hear about their parents banning books!

    McCanns are taking ludicrous to new heights!

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  30. Of course they would not ask for help from the PCC, there was no money for them in it, and I have to agree they waited to sue Goncarlo until he had sold enough books, then the fingers became itchy. I think for those in UK a complaint should be made to NHS to prevent Gerry using the hospital as a business address, for his feed all the family fund, that is really disgusting.How can he use so many people.To be honest if they were both suffering from the insinuations, they would not be partying at the roof top gardens,or adding to their stress by suing people. And definately Gery should not be working at the hospital. I hope and pray something happens to reopen the case, because the McCrumbs wont!

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  31. You can see it now can't you!, if it's a thing they ever face justice their lawyers will claim they are 'unfit to plead/stand trial' due to this that or the other......you watch...

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  32. Well we sort of know what little kids are like:

    Innocent 1 to Innocent 2: "Amelie, did your mummy and daddy leave you and Sean and Madeleine alone in the flat the night Madeleine went missing?"

    From the mouths of babes.... Kids are like sponges - they retain and are capable of regurgitating just about anything they hear. They don't need Goncalo Amaral's books to do it either! Just leave it to gossip and hearsay.

    I'd strongly suggest Kate and Gerry have restraining orders placed on EVERYBODY to protect their two remaining children. Or send them to the moon. There's no escaping the inevitable, Kate and Gerry, no escaping the inevitable. :X

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  33. Anon ≠7, I agree, the only thing the select committee should be getting angry about in this case is the despicable way Gonçalo Amaral has been treated in the British press. In fact the whole attitude of the British press towards the Portuguese police has been unbelievable, something I naively could never have imagined before this case.

    It's more than strange that newspapers pretend to hold the moral high ground where law and order is concerned, pretending to support the forces of law and order in an effort to stamp out crime. Yet when a European police force works hard, with long hours and low pay (by British standards), to solve a crime that was at least partly the responsibility of British people, those same papers suddenly decide to change tack and take to insulting and criticising the police force involved. They then move on to trying to discredit the police officer in charge of the investigation, allowing their journalists to write the most nakedly xenophobic articles and using blatant smear tactics, something they wouldn't dare to do if this were a British police force.

    Isn't it interesting that there's been no hate-filled articles directed at Lee Rainbow, the British criminal profiler who dared to put 'Gerry McCann' and 'homicide' in the same sentence? How come? Has the journalists' bottle gone, now that someone working with the British police is known to have had suspicions of the press's beloved McCanns? Is the press afraid of the reaction they'll get if they start called Mr Rainbow names or checking how long he takes for his lunch? I just hope he hasn't written a book, otherwise he'll probably find himself in court accused of everything short of taking Madeleine himself.

    What a crowd of sickening cowards make up the British press, with their Little Englander attitudes and their unconcealed xenophobia. Thank God for the Internet which thankfully is fast making newspapers redundant; the online community now sets the standard for investigative reporting and in-depth discussion. Nothing can save the demise of the British press, not the PCC or the government, because it no longer has anything to do with genuine journalism. I read recently that newspapers want to make people pay to read their online content - somehow I don't think I'll be paying to read their lies.

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  34. Argh!
    So their only concern was the McConns treatment by the press?!
    What about all the sub-standard, libelous, xenophobic trash Portugal and certain Portuguese citizens were the brunt of?!

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  35. "£430,000 damages for Madeleine which will be used to continue the search for her."

    What search? Is shaping the stories that expensive?

    "£215,000 for each parent for the emotional distress the book has caused them. They say they suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'. The writ also says Kate McCann is 'steeped in a deep and serious depression'."

    I didn't know that they could read Portuguese.

    "£86,000 for each of their twins Sean and Amelie, who could hear his allegations when they start school in September."

    They were made formal suspects in this case, the British media has been referring to the "outrageous" allegations for nearly 3 years now. The book has not yet been published in English, so how is the book going to be the source of the allegations. I doubt that Sean and Amelie's peers have even heard of Mr. Amaral.

    Viv, I read your comments from an older posting in which you assert your belief that the British government has not obstructed the investigation and that the British police are withholding information in order to increase the probability of a successful future prosecution of the McCanns. We obviously have differing views and I'm not going to argue with you. I just hope that someone is doing something to stop this circus and to bring justice to this child. I would like to hear your opinion on the trip the McCanns made to the European parliament, in which Mr. Milliband and other politicians took part. I believe the McCanns were invited by these political figures. I probably sound like a broken record always referring to this incident; I refer to it because I found it so improper, to me it was shocking. There is an anonymous poster who once in a while makes a posting in which he attributes the McCann's success at avoiding prosecution solely to the tactics employed by their PR firms. This poster always says that initially the British government were involved in this affair because they believed the McCanns; In my opinion whether or not the government believed the McCanns, the extent of its involvement was excessive. This poster then states that once the McCanns were made formal suspects the government distanced itself from them. In my replies to this poster, I refer to the trip to the European parliament that took place well after Mr. Amaral had been taken off the case, which clearly reveals that the British government had not distanced itself from the McCanns. For some reason this poster does not engage in a discussion with me about that occurrence, so Viv what are your feelings on that event?

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  36. In mocumentary Gerry said: " WE ARE HAPPY FAMILY".

    Suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'. The writ also says Kate McCann is 'steeped in a deep and serious depression'.

    And still they manage to be happy family ;) Well done.

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  37. They say they suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'

    Now bw fair, there is one word of truth in that; irritability.

    Gerry certainly suffers from that affliction!!

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  38. The McCanns wanted publicity so why would they try to get a stop to it via the PCC. They waited for the right time to sue the Express when they could have nipped it in the bud a lot earlier. Why? For the £550,000 payout obviously. The same applies to the Tapas 7!

    Like they waited for Goncalo Amaral to accummulate a million euros before taking out an injunction to ban his book. No point trying to get it off the shelves before there was enough in the kitty worth suing for for!

    This is how I see it!

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  39. Two things, 1. How can they sue/claim for a WOC?
    2. Dig up KM`s medical history & see just how long she has suffered this serious depression. ie: was she suffering it in May 07?

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  40. Indefinable fear? I wonder why? Tick tock!!

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  41. The PCC did not take action with regard to the "sardine munching" article by Tony Parsons, despite receiving complaints.
    What did the Portuguese Ambassador do to warrant that attack?

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  42. Would you be happy to go to a Consultant who was suffering "permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear" ?
    I think the Local NHS trust and the GMC should have a serious look at Gerry's capacity to remain in his post, or whether he shoiuld be suspended until he is better.

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  43. Please remember the numbers are the ones alleged by the McCann Couple in a Sunday mirror article. Mr. Amaral obviously has not won a million euros with the book nor with the narration in the documentary, since he gave up the authorship copyright of the book to the publisher Guerra e Paz, retaining only the moral authorship - he has not made the extraordinary amount of money claimed by the McCanns. Unfortunately.

    For reference:

    TORN APART BY HIS LIES Sunday Mirror (paper edition)

    MADDIE PARENTS SUE COP FOR £1M BOOK PROFITS

    EXCLUSIVE

    By TOM WORDEN
    July 12, 2009

    Kate and Gerry McCann are suing the police chief who bungled the investigation into their daughter's disappearance - and blamed them for her death - for £1million.

    In a 36-page writ handed to the Sunday Mirror, they lay bare in painful detail how Gonçalo Amaral's accusations left them "totally destroyed" and caused them "irreparable" damage.

    It also gives a harrowing insight into the day-to-day life in the McCann household as they struggle to cope without Madeleine.

    The writ - which the Sunday Mirror has had translated from Portuguese - outlines how the couple both suffer from "permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear". It also says Kate McCann is "steeped in a deep and serious depression".

    Disgraced former police Amaral has pocketed £ 1million writing a lurid book and making a documentary full of cruel lies about Madeliene and her parents. And now they are suing him for every penny of it.

    He accuses them of accidentally killing their three-year-old daughter and then covering up her death.

    Amaral, who was thrown off case after five months, has repeatedly claimed Madeleine died in the holiday apartment on Algarve. In his book The Truth About The Lie he spouts his absurd theory that the couple hid their daughter's body.

    The lawsuit also highlights their fears for four-year-old twins Sean and Amelie when they start school later this year and begin to hear rumours that Madeleine is dead.

    And it accuses Amaral of being a self-obsessed, manipulative money-grabber with no morals.

    The couple, both 41, have hired Portuguese lawyer Isabel Duarte to sue Amaral for defamation and for breaching their human rights. Mrs Duarte, 54, said: "Somebody has to stop him and shut him up. He is a rich man now, earning millions from the distress of this family. We believe he has made up to 1.2million euros (£1million) from the book and the video. We want the court to punish him by taking at least that much from him."

    The McCanns have a good case for defamation as they have already been cleared by Portugal's Attorney General. The case will go to trial in Lisbon next summer and Amaral, 49, could force the McCanns to take the stand. Madeleine is named with Kate and Gerry and the twins as a complainant in the lawsuit, lodged on June 24.

    The McCanns, both doctors from Rothley, Leics, claim Amaral's repeated insistence that their daughter is dead has stopped people looking for her. The lawsuit states: "Madeleine has been deprived of the possibility of a fair and adequate investigation into her disappearance, putting her moral and physical integrity at serious risk."

    It says Gerry and Kate have been "totally destroyed from a moral, social, ethical, emotional and family point of view, beyond the pain that the absence of their eldest daughter causes them".

    The couple want a minimum of £430,000 in damages for Madeleine, which will be used to keep the search for her going. They also want a minimum of £215,000 each for them, and another £86,000 each for the twins. It is thought any money they get will go to the Maddie fund.

    continues

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  44. Amaral's book has sold around 330,000 copies worldwide. The father-of-three has become a celeb in Portugal, and has a new Jaguar.

    The McCanns say his "sole objectives" in writing the book were "to earn a lot of money", using "lies".

    It says the book and his 50-minute documentary, which has been shown twice on Portuguese TV, are "manipulative, perverse, false, destructive, defamatory, deeply damaging and therefore illegal".

    Amaral was in charge of the 30 detectives looking for Madeleine after she vanished in May 2007 on a family holiday in Praia da Luz.

    He was largely responsible for making the McCanns "arguidos" - suspects - four months after Madeleine vanished. But he was kicked off the case in October 2007 days after the Sunday Mirror revealed he was working as little as four hours a day and was enjoying long, boozy lunches.

    He was removed from the case on his 48th birthday. Amaral took early retirement shortly afterwards, ending 27 years on the force.

    He began writing his book, promoting it by travelling around Europe giving newspaper interviews.

    It went on sale in a blaze of publicity in July last year - three days after the McCanns' "arguido" status was removed. Earlier this month Amaral was charged with torturing a witness during a separate missing child case. He faces jail if convicted.

    WHAT THEY ARE DEMANDING

    £430,000 damages for Madeleine which will be used to continue the search for her.

    £215,000 for each parent for the emotional distress the book has caused them. They say they suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'. The writ also says Kate McCann is 'steeped in a deep and serious depression'.

    £86,000 for each of their twins Sean and Amelie, who could hear his allegations when they start school in September.

    HOW HE MADE HIS MONEY

    £500,000 from the book which has sold 180,000 copies in Portugal alone.

    £430,000 from the extra 150,000 books which have been sold in Brazil, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Holland.

    £100,000 for a TV documentary watched by one in five people in Portugal - 75,000 copies have sold on DVD.

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  45. article scanning here http://www.mccannfiles.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=actual&linkpath=http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sm120709a.JPG&target=tlx_picanq8

    via the McCann Files

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  46. Anon @ 40

    Good point...

    I wonder if she has actually seen a doctor and has been diagnosed with seious depression (as opposed to being mildly pissed off all the time). Depression is a medical condition so I would expect her to be receiving treatment for it.

    Or is this another case of self-diagnosis and/or medical records not being available.

    Mr B

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  47. 42 the Portuguese Ambassador Santana Carlos gave an interview to the Times, Tony Parsons 'Up Yours Señor' was the xenophobic and offensive answer to that interview. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2748494.ece

    The PCC status of the complaints on that matter can be seen here at the PCC's site http://www.pcc.org.uk/case/resolved.html?article=NDkzNg==

    Complainant Name:
    Portuguese Embassy

    Clauses Noted: 1

    Publication: Daily Mirror

    Complaint:
    The Portuguese Embassy complained that a comment piece, on the subject of Anglo-Portuguese relations in the wake of the Madeleine McCann investigation, inaccurately characterised the Ambassador’s views on the issue, and contained what were considered to be offensive comments about the Portuguese Ambassador, the Portuguese police and Portuguese people in general.

    Resolution:

    The complaint was resolved when the newspaper sent the Ambassador a private letter of apology and published the following correction:

    Further to our article of 29th October, we are happy to make clear that whilst the contrary impression was given by the comments of the Portuguese Ambassador to the Times on 27 October we can confirm that the Ambassador did Antonio Santana Carlos not, and has not, said that the Madeleine McCann case has seriously damaged relations between Portugal and this country.

    The above was posted online at Mirror's site, in very small letters.

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  48. What they are demanding
    £430,000 damages for Madeleine which will be used to continue the search for her.
    £215,000 for each parent for the emotional distress the book has caused them.

    Sickening! All money received should go into their search fund. No about of money given to them will wipe out the fact they have brought all this distress to themselves. I hope at least the next time they go out on the piss on holiday they use some of this money for a babysitter.

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  49. Geurra I hope you and Viv dont mind me answering you too but I too have doubts sometimes about the British governments involvement. I have to remind myself that this is the process of misinformation the McCanns put out through PR.

    The truth is I think is far more simple than any conspiracy the McCanns have with the government but one that all politicians and celebrities encounter that of dealing with people who they might personally dislike but believe are popular and can lend weight/support to themselves or their projects.

    Then there's the legal aspect the McCanns have not yet been charged remember Im sure a few people still naivly believe in their innocence but there are plenty of others who doubt or dislike them but find themselves at the same event supporting the same worthy causes that can be seen quite clearly on some photos/video (such as the old guy -sorry dont know his name on the end of the recent bash photos).

    Theyve told us themselves theyve requested to meet with Gordon Brown and he refuses; plenty of ordinary people do get phone calls from the Prime Minister remember the recent row about him getting a name wrong and the subsequent phone call?

    Other groups and individuals also received personal audiences at number ten. When I see the McCanns going through that door to meet Brown then I'll believe that they are believed and supported but until then Im prepared to wait until there is evidence.

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  50. Apparently it's cheaper for the newspapers to pay up than fight, in libel cases, in the UK. There is a fund for it at some newspapers. As for the PCC it's all very well for Team M to complain, but I can't see anything address readers complaints.

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  51. So where are we now ?

    The McCann's trotted out the usual pile of complete hogwash at their press conference, betraying the fact that either they are so stupid that they believe their own publicity, or so imbecilic that they think we do.

    Kate reaches an all time rock bottom by saying it is all about personal responsibility and not actually bursting into flames as she said it.

    And Clarence just happens to mention that yes, they did give all the damages money to the fund - but in effect, it's their ball, and they would like it back, please. They need it to pay the bills for suing people.

    Is this a sign that the McCanns, their scummy irresponsible friends and their unprincipled, moronic and follically challenged PR numpty have decided to drop all the pretence now ?

    None of it was ever about Madeleine. We know that. If their children were important to these people, they wouldn't have been having a separate holiday to them.

    It was only ever about the Kate and Gerry show, with their supporting cast of people you wouldn't want to find yourself on a course with.
    They are the worst kind of hypocrites. They really are only interested in themselves. Parents who genuinely care about their children never subject them to the dangers of leaving them alone. They simply don't. In fact, leaving them alone doesn't enter their heads. Checking them into the kiddies club like left luggage every day doesn't enter their heads. Planning events a year down the line when there is still no sign of the child for whom they will leave no stone unturned doesn't enter their heads. Massaging their own egos and suing people who dare to suggest they were shit parents wouldn't enter their heads.

    Their heads would be so filled with their missing daughter, they wouldn't have room for anything else.

    But what it comes down to is this. The McCann approach to this entire debacle is ''We lost our kid and you are not blaming us, even though we are clearly responsible''

    So when it comes to personal responsibility, Kate McCann, don't you dare point the finger at anyone else. Don't you dare. You and your waste-of-food husband epitomise selfishness. You really don't give a shit about anyone but yourselves.

    A word of advice. Don't expect him to be there if it all goes wrong for you. You wouldn't be there for him. Funny how you have gravitated together, really. I suppose it takes one to know one.

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  52. Good morning poster (50) It was Gerry McCann who said that he had the personal phone number of Gordon Brown and he could speak to him day or night. Philomena McCann, said that Gordon Brown is a family friend.

    John and Philomena McCann, were invited to the House of Commons to talk about missing Madeleine. Brian Kennedy, Kate McCann's uncle, said that his niece and her husband, had access to friends in high places, that ordinary members of the public didn't have access to. He then said that they would call in favours, from these people, if they were to be prosecuted.

    I would have said that he was talking "hogwash" but the way the McCanns have been given preferential treatment, for almost 3yrs, I believe he meant every word of what he said.

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  53. 19
    Actually don't know if you've noticed but the last couple of pictures K seems to have been reading the blogs and gone for the "'bedraggled, depressed look"
    God bless Madeleine

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  54. Dimsie 34 - you `ve put my thoughts into words (I am Anon 7).

    Louise

    Viv PS / Guerre etc. - I wonder if one can ever make a separation between Government, Police, MI6. It `s not cut and dried and I expect there is tension between all these departments about who is in charge and what each is actually responsible for. Some coppers go by the book, follow policy, careerists in fact, along with doubtful integrity. Others really want truth and justice and are prepared to `get the criminals' Whether they` re high ranking or not. And I `m sure there are plenty of others who are corrupt themselves. As in the general population there `sa very mixed bunch. We `ve even seen how MI5 / 6 employees blow the whistle sometimes. These institutions can be separated out?

    Louise

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  55. 48 Insulting and pathetic and surely the basis for a claim for damages which is justified in a way the McCann's can never justify for their own nonsense (which, the judiciary should see, is clearly aimed at obtaining money).

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  56. Tom Worden, another name for the hall of shame.

    I wonder if he has children and uses the McCanns child care methods (three year old baby sitters and doors left unlocked).

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  57. http://www.journalisted.com/tom-worden

    Another pathetic vulture of the UK press, attacking the investigator without knowing his facts.

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  58. Anyone sent Baroness Buscombe the attacks on the Portuguese which were part of the post the other day?

    Namely these...

    in New Scotsman

    read as well extended coverage at the Guardian and Independent, alternatively download the report at HoC's Culture Media and Sports Committee and remember to sign the Libel Reform Campaign petition

    On this matter, a few articles filled with blatant xenophobia [Lusophobia] and defamation are listed bellow as an obvious example of how the PCC and the UK media, particularly Murdoch's media, failed to give an unbiased reporting about the Madeleine McCann Case.

    «Some reports in the British press branded the Portuguese police as lazy, inept, secretive and drunk and, in the hysteria, an impression was created that the place was a haven for paedophiles.» in the Times

    «While most journalists in Britain and in Portugal at first seemed united in sympathy toward the McCanns, the coverage and commentary around the case has taken on increasingly xenophobic tones. In the British press, the Portuguese police have been widely portrayed as lazy bunglers. Portuguese commentators have found the McCanns insufficiently emotional and have questioned their parenting skills.» in The New York Times

    «There’s a killer on the road (*), and his name is "Amaral Lector". This is what most readers of British Media should think, after what was published by tabloids like Daily Express and Daily Mail, about Portuguese CID Chief-Inspector Gonçalo Amaral, the man in charge of the investigation of Madeleine disappearance.» in Gazeta Digital

    Telegraph Simon Heffer: Boycott Portugal [title has changed] self-explanatory

    Daily Mirror Tony Parsons: Parsons wrote a column, titled "Oh, up yours, senor", regarding the Portuguese police investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. One of the complainants was the Portuguese ambassador to Britain, whom Parsons told to "keep your stupid, sardine-munching mouth shut". [article was deleted, but others where he calls the Portuguese of 'pigs' and similar remain]

    Daily Mail Vanessa Allen: Why Portugal is a haven for paedophiles an article that tried to join the Casa Pia Case with Madeleine McCann

    The Sun Lucy Hagan: Portuguese cops' booze botch self-explanatory

    Daily Mirror Nick Owens : 262 Days missing and... Maddy's blunder cop back on case self-explanatory

    read as well Adjectives used by the British Press to describe Goncalo Amaral

    «53 articles: "boozy" or "boozer"

    418 articles: "disgraced, disgraceful, disgrace"

    440 articles: "outrage, outrageous" etc.

    37 articles: "bungling"

    23 articles: "Keystone cops" (or Kops) (or Keystone cretins) etc, etc»

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  59. what if everybody that bought a book take it to a pre arranged venue, give the book back , get your money for it back and right there pay into Mr Amarals or some bank account as a donation. Then there cant be a claim against money he made from selling the book.Or into a trust fund for Mrs Amaral. This pair is making me sick to my stomach.

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  60. So the fact is that the "abduction" of their beloved daughter Madeleine, doesn't cause them any concern, as I remember, Kate said that she was sleeping well shortly afterwards but yet Amaral's book causes the McCann's emotional distress and they suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'. The writ also says Kate McCann is 'steeped in a deep and serious depression'.

    You couldn't make it up!

    And they wonder why people don't believe their "abduction" fairytale.

    My goodness, this pair leave me speechless. I feel such disgust for them that they make me want to scream.

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  61. So prior to Amaral's book all was well the McCanns world, they had no anxiety about the whereabouts of their daughter, they were able to sleep properly at night, eat 3 meals a day and have no fear about where Madeleine is and Kate wasn't in serious depression. I know if I had my daughter abducted by a possible peadophile with no knowledge of her whereabouts, I would naturally suffer from 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear' and I would be 'steeped in a deep and serious depression', no book in the world would make me feel any worse than that. I wouldn't have the time or inclination to take anyone to court.

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  62. Anonymous 50, I don't give much credence to what the McCanns tell us, I mostly pay attention to what they actually do. They could very well say they had no contact with Mr.Brown or anyone in the government for that matter, and the opposite could be true.

    Your argument destroys the thesis of the anonymous who keeps saying that the government distanced themselves from the McCanns once they became formal suspects. Are you the same anonymous? So which is it? Did they still associate themselves with the McCanns because as you say they were celebrities and the politicians wanted to further their careers or did they avoid them because the McCann's guilt was evident? You do realise that such an event is detrimental to a case and that it could influence the opinions of a future jury?


    Was the timing of this event also another coincidence? The very day that Mr. Rebelo lands in England to interrogate the Tapas group they go to Brussels to do some PR. How about the British police conveniently letting the Tapas group review their prior depositions so that they could avoid any inconsistencies. Is this just a normal investigative procedure in England?

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  63. £215,000 for each parent for the emotional distress the book has caused them. They say they suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'. The writ also says Kate McCann is 'steeped in a deep and serious depression'.

    I assume that means if not Amaral's book, the McCanns would feel great! Not Madeleine but the book is the reason for Kate's depression, insomnia, lack of appetite etc.
    What a shameless liers!

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  64. "Maddy McCann cop adds insults to injuryBy Tony Parsons 16/01/2010


    If, as has been suggested in Portugal, there was a “media circus” around the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, then it is the Portuguese police who are the clowns.

    Cruel, stupid, spiteful clowns.

    You would never guess it but Kate and Gerry McCann are not actually on trial in Lisbon.

    Madeleine’s parents have brought legal action against detective Goncalo Amaral, who they accuse of libelling them in his book, Maddie: The Truth Of The Lie.

    But the Portuguese plods have used the libel case to declare open season on the McCanns. One former policeman, Francisco Moita Flores, told the court that only the ­“distraction” of the “media circus” prevented the McCanns from being charged with negligence.

    “No one believed it was an abduction,” he told the court. “It was a fairytale, a fable.”

    But if Madeleine was not abducted, then what happened?

    The Portuguese police were shown up as a bunch of clueless amateurs by the Madeleine case, and – shamed, embarrassed, infuriated – they turned their rage on the McCanns.

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    Even now, the Portuguese cops treat Kate and Gerry McCann with a grotesque lack of respect.

    Asked if he cared that he had hurt the McCanns, Goncalo Amaral told a BBC reporter: “No, f*** the McCanns.”

    A class act, that fat copper, who has sought to make money out of a stolen child – and the endless grief of her parents.

    And what a shock to see the faces of Kate and Gerry McCann back in our newspapers.

    The indelible pain is stamped on their faces for ever.

    The greatest tragedy is, of course, that a little girl was stolen from her family.

    But it is also genuinely tragic that the Portuguese police did not seriously look for the bastard who stole her.

    And that’s because they have always been far too busy slandering that little girl’s parents."

    I JUST CAME ACROSS THIS, NEVER HAD THE CHANCE TO HAVE READ HIS WORK BEFORE AND NOW I DO, WELL NO WORDS....

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  65. Anon, 50, I think you make some good points. My own thoughts have been that initially Gordon Brown was a PM in waiting, aware he does not exactly have a huge amount of personal charisma. Blair was a hard act to follow. He was compassionate towards the McCanns at the outset the emotions of his own personal problems in losing a child getting in the way of sound common sense and I believe he also thought he could improve his own personal standing by demonstrating that compassionate side to his nature, seeking to distance himself from Blair. That was a huge error of judgment. Sensible PMs do not immediately act on grounds of compassion without first taking sensible advice. That advice had he thought it through and actively sought it out, would have been this couple must be suspects, it is standard police procedure to assume that would be the case. Aligning himself towards potential criminals would be a grave political error but it is one that nevertheless he made.

    But I do not accept that Gordon Brown has acted dishonestly, since it became very clear that they were most definitely suspects he has refused all further contact with them.

    I also agree that those in government in the UK (or any senior position) have to be stringently careful not to pre-judge any future criminal case by saying anything at all that would suggest the suspects are guilty or innocent. It is considered a very serious matter in UK to do anything at all to prejudice a criminal trial and that alone explains why politicians etc will not make anything other than fairly neutral comments on the case. People want them to clearl express their views and support one side or the other, but this the law simply will not allow them to do. You can also note the same care with Editors of the more serious papers, the PCC etc. They choose their words very carefully otherwise the McCanns lawyer maybe quoting them in a criminal case!

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  66. Guerra, I have just read your post and quote a bit of it below that you would like me to answer:

    I would like to hear your opinion on the trip the McCanns made to the European parliament, in which Mr. Milliband and other politicians took part. I believe the McCanns were invited by these political figures. I probably sound like a broken record always referring to this incident; I refer to it because I found it so improper, to me it was shocking.

    I too found the trip to the European Parliament pretty shocking but do not agree that it was organised by Mr Milliband. Kate and Gerry McCann were not invited to attend by any labour MP but a conservative MEP Mr McMillan Scott who is now disgraced although some other reason has been given for this.

    You will probably note I have also posted how we now learn that Mr Cameron has given an "audience" to the McCanns and his spin doctor is the former editor of a very disreputable paper, the News of the World.

    You will appreciate that Mr McMillan Scott and Mr Cameron are not the British government, they are the opposition to it, and if there could be any suggestion of favourable treatment towards the McCanns from British politicians I am afraid to say it is from the conservative party, and most certainly not from the current party that are in power, labour. Whilst it may be true to say that both labour and conservative have been demonstrated to be pretty sleazy the conservatives have a very bad record in that department. Given my age I can clearly remember this and would never vote for them. To me, the labour party are the lesser of the two evils, but essentially I find it difficult to trust a politician!

    Kate and Gerry have sought to sidetrack the ordinary criminal law process in UK and align themselves with politicians, people should be getting on the case of just how helpful it would seem the conservatives have been to them. I would say this, if Cameron is foolish enough to align himself with or do anything at all to get these two off the hook, he should suffer the political consequences of that. Just from a child care point of view, no serious or sensible politician would touch them with a ten foot barge pole, given what they have clearly admitted to on TV and still enrages me, she cried, they left her again, that was incredibly wicked and most certainly not an example of "parenting" any politician should excuse or approve of.

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  67. (Suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'. The writ also says Kate McCann is 'steeped in a deep and serious depression'.)

    Isn't this normal for people who have lost a child?
    If my child had been "abducted" as the McCanns say their child has then would I suffer any other than the above? I would EXPECT to feel like that, probably for ever more.
    Most people wouldn't be able to get out of bed in the morning never mind sue all and sundry.

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  68. " They say they suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'. The writ also says Kate McCann is 'steeped in a deep and serious depression'."

    This is what happens when you cause the death of your own child, dispose of the body and make up lies about her being abducted. Kate and Gerry McCann need to realize this is a guilty conscience and they will NEVER be able to escape it until they TELL THE TRUTH about what happened to Madeline that night. First they need to admit they were wrong by leaving 3 toddlers alone at night, in a foreign country to go out eating and drinking with friends. Responsible parents don't do that, anywhere in the world. Then they need to say what really happened to Maddy or cooperate with a newly opened investigation. Yeah Kate, you have to answer those 48 questions you refused to answer earlier. Everything the McCanns have done point to them being complicit in the disappearance of the daughter - they're too stupid to get it and they're both doctors, amazing.

    Sonia.

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  69. Surely this is an admission of guilt (of invovlement in Madeleins's disappearance?

    "They say they suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear' " due to Amaral's book. Do they not realise that if their child really had been abducted it would be the abduction that would cause them to feel that way? I am sure that any parent whose child was missing would say they suffered from these things.

    Therefore if they only feel that way because of Amaral's book then they are admitting there was no abduction. Simples

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  70. In the dim, dim future, when Sean and Amelie are at secondary school or university, will anyone who mentions anything about this case get sued?
    I tremble for any teacher in their first school, who will have to step in with a gag the second any infant mentions anything about Madeleine, or the school will get sued.
    And what will happen when they go round to any schoolfriend's house to play or for tea- will that be 'policed ' also?
    If the dreaded book by Goncalo (in any translation) is up on the bookshelf, lookout!

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  71. So do they feel better now since the book is banned for a bit longer?

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  72. Is "undefinable fear" the same as paranoia? Do they show symptoms of systematized delusions of persecution or grandeur? Do they have a tendency excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others? Is that the explanation for their irrational outbursts, pompousness, incessant gunning for anyone who doesn't sit in their camp?

    Oh dear! Does that mean they might be needing psychiatric treatment? Oh dear!

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  73. On the subject of what a nice guy Mr Coulson is to advise the equally nice Mr Cameron, did people see this? I am sure Mr Cameron will now be able to perfect his bullying skills so much he will be even better than Gordon Brown;)

    News of the World faces £800,000 payout in bullying case Tweet this
    Hugh Muir and Chris Tryhorn guardian.co.uk, Monday 23 November 2009 22.44 GMT Article history
    Andy Coulson, now David Cameron's head of communications, led the bullying campaign the tribunal found. Photograph: Martin Argles

    A News of the World reporter who suffered from a culture of bullying led by former editor Andy Coulson, who is now David Cameron's head of communications, has been awarded almost £800,000 for unfair dismissal and disability discrimination.

    Matt Driscoll, a sports reporter sacked in April 2007 while on long-term sick leave for stress-related depression, was awarded £792,736 by the east London employment tribunal. It is believed to be the highest payout of its kind in the media, and legal costs could take News International's total bill well over the £1m mark.

    The award will cause fresh embarrassment for Coulson, who resigned in January 2007 from the newspaper after the former royal editor, Clive Goodman, was jailed for hacking into the phone messages of aides to the royal family.

    Earlier this year, Coulson faced renewed pressure, after the Guardian revealed that the News of the World's owner, News International, had paid out £1m to settle claims from Gordon Taylor, the chief executive of the Professional Footballers' Association, and other victims of phone hacking.

    Driscoll, who has not been in a full-time job since his dismissal, said the award reflected the severity of the case.

    "Andy Coulson was at the heart of all of this," he said. "He should look at himself and decide if his actions in the course of the way I was treated were correct. If I were him, I would find it very hard to look in the mirror. I was subjected to unprecedented bullying and he did nothing to stop it, if anything he accelerated it. I didn't do anything wrong."

    He added: "I was in the top 30 sports writers in the country. I then came up against the venom of Andy Coulson, which I found very hard to take. It has taken an incredible amount of strength to take on the richest news group in the world and win. I don't think anyone has ever done that before with the success that I have."

    The tribunal found in December 2008 that Driscoll had fallen victim to "a consistent pattern of bullying behaviour". "The original source of the hostility towards the claimant [Driscoll] was Mr Coulson, the editor; although other senior managers either took their lead from Mr Coulson and continued with his motivation after Mr Coulson's departure; or shared his views themselves. Mr Coulson did not attend the tribunal to explain why he wanted the claimant dismissed."

    The News of the World, which defended the case, said the main reason for Driscoll's dismissal was his capability or qualifications for performing his work.

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  74. cont'd/...

    Before going on sick leave in July 2006, Driscoll was subject to disciplinary proceedings and issued with formal warnings starting from November 2005 over alleged inaccuracies in his reporting and for failing to turn up punctually on one occasion.

    The tribunal found that was merely a pretext and the real reason for the disciplinary proceedings was simply that Coulson wanted to "get shot" of him. In July 2006, Coulson wrote in an email to the deputy editor, Neil Wallis, that he wanted Driscoll "out as quickly and cheaply as possible".

    Driscoll, who joined the paper in 1997 and was promoted twice, was initially highly regarded, according to the tribunal ruling. That changed in August 2005 when Coulson turned against him for failing to stand up a tip that Arsenal were planning to play in purple shirts, a story that later appeared in sister paper, the Sun.

    The judgment singled out Coulson for making "bullying" remarks in an email to Driscoll after the first formal warning, letting him know that he thought he should have been sacked.

    According to the tribunal, the bullying continued after Driscoll went on sick leave. Senior management at the paper sent Driscoll a barrage of emails, phone calls and visited his home to demand that he see a company doctor, despite Driscoll's GP advising him to "distance" himself from the source of his stress.

    News International declined to comment .

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  75. viv 66, you said the following: "I also agree that those in government in the UK (or any senior position) have to be stringently careful not to pre-judge any future criminal case by saying anything at all that would suggest the suspects are guilty or innocent. It is considered a very serious matter in UK to do anything at all to prejudice a criminal trial and that alone explains why politicians etc will not make anything other than fairly neutral comments on the case. People want them to clearl express their views and support one side or the other, but this the law simply will not allow them to do."

    Do you do not think it was prejudicial accompanying these people to the European parliament and giving the public the impression that they are responsible for a child welfare cause that they had nothing to do with?

    Did justice Hogg choose her words carefully when she addressed an imaginary abductor, pleading for the child's return?

    Haven't the officials at the Home Office referred numerous times indirectly or directly to an abductor?

    Aren't all these people suggesting that the McCanns are innocent?

    What about Mr. Jim Gamble inviting Mr. McCann to speak at a CEOP conference? I guess he can be forgiven, because England has been told that the McCanns have been declared to be innocent by Portuguese courts.

    Viv, the most extraordinary statement you made in the paragraph I quoted was: "it is considered a very serious matter in the UK to do anything at all to prejudice a criminal trial." The reality is that the prejudice has been so great in Britain that the investigation was derailed and there was no need to worry about a criminal trial.

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  76. Com as eleicoes aproximarem-se na Inglaterra, tenho e impressao que ha um maior esforco para convencer o publico que o partido laboral nao protegeu os McCanns. E ao mesmo tempo que tentam afastar os McCanns do partido laboral, tentam a convencer que ha uma ligacao entre os McCann e o partido conservativo.

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  77. guerra. post 76. Yes, and even UK embassy staff in PT who were involved and communicated warnings to the UK government to be cautious about their backing for the McCanns were removed and transferred to other locations. Could Brown be so lacking in common sense and ignore his advisers, unfortunately the answer is 'yes', he did it over the 10p tax rate.

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  78. The Home Office defence of GM's invitation to the CEOP conference said it all as far as I'm concerned. Bravo Dimsie for saying it like it is. David Miliband's connection with them after arguido staus- what was that all about?
    Used to vote Labour. Not now.

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  79. Can we please not turn this blog into a Party Political broadcast for our own favourite party. It's supposed to be about Madeleine and justice for her.

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  80. Didn't Leicestershire Police prejudice the integrity of the groups' statements , by allowing them to read each others statenments? I've worked in a court setting and have never heard this was the usual practice.

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  81. Lesser of two evils - that's the expression I was looking for re: this case, that the admission, albeit reluctant but forever excusable, of having left the children alone in a strange apartment in a foreign land and endangering them so much that one was abducted was the lesser of two evils, the lesser of two crimes.

    "Suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'. The writ also says Kate McCann is 'steeped in a deep and serious depression'".

    I am also surprised that it is the book that is causing such symptoms and not the situation that Madeleine "finds herself in" but then I remember that she "hasn't come to any harm", that she will give her tuppence worth to whoever she is with and that the pedophile she is with is probably just some sort of quirky childminder who lets her send presents to her siblings.

    Not only has the world gone totally mad that allows this couple to get away with it but it has indeed fallen prey to the forces of darkness, for them to be shielded and indeed rewarded for their crimes.

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  82. 81-from 80
    It's not about which party you support, but it is about applying political pressure to those who continue to support the McCanns. I've done a lot of writing to those I consider to be in a position to do something, as I agree totally that this is about Madeleine and justice for her. Who do you think is standing in the way of this happening? Why do the Home Office defend Gerry McCann's appearance at the CEOP conference. Which political party do they answer to?

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  83. I was always under the impression that the reason Brown was so helpful to the McCanns was because Brown's brother, or some other close relative, was a personal friend of Gerry McCann.

    That would not be a bit surprising.

    Gerry McCann has got to be the ultimate networker. Who doesn't he know that might be helpful to him??

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  84. I think the "Madeleine Fund" was immediately set up for the purpose of laundering "hush money". Without a doubt something other than a family holiday was going on in Praia da Luz. One of the strangest aspects of this case was the immediate creation of that fund. So many people were duped into believing it was a "charity", when from the very beginning it was a limited company without the required public disclosure of accounts required by charities. Why WASN'T it a charity? Why was it set up so quickly? Why is the Board of Directors made up ONLY of family members and friends? Who benefits from the money? Why has so little of that money gone toward legitimate attempts to find Madeleine? Why haven't they sued Metodo3 (the drug traffickers) or Kevin Halligen (the Google map provider)? In my opinion, this is pay off money. Do not forget the Foreign Office memo that demanded the McCanns were to be accompanied by a FO official to each and every police interview. It all adds up to the British government being in control of the cover up. There is something other than Maddie's fate being hidden from the public, of that I am entirely certain.

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  85. Don't forget Kevin Halligen due in court today or tomorrow? Extradition proceedings will be exercising Alan Johnson. Will he, too, succumb to political pressures to keep this under wraps?

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  86. Totally agree with post 86. Something big being hidden.

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  87. Aren't all these people suggesting that the McCanns are innocent?

    REPLY Clearly you see it that way, having worked for a lifetime in Criminal Justice in England and Wales and understanding the procedures, I most certainly do not. The serious problem with this case is a lack of hard evidence as to precisely what they did with Madeleine, but there is no doubt they are guilty in her disappearance due to the vast amount of other evidence confirming their guilt, notably their inconsistent and changing lies typical of guilty suspects, lack of co-operation and totally unnatural demeanour, immediate cashing in, using old photos that look nothing like her and having them immediately to hand, the window and shutter got jemmied oh not they did not we left the door open etc.

    What about Mr. Jim Gamble inviting Mr. McCann to speak at a CEOP conference? I guess he can be forgiven, because England has been told that the McCanns have been declared to be innocent by Portuguese courts.

    REPLY It is a common tactic for UK law enforcement to put suspects on the spot in this way and given Gerry McCann has not sought to brag about his "lecture" I think that speaks for itself!! Maybe you should consider all the gathered experts that were there to analyse Gerry McCann who I believe suffers from serious personality disorders and also the context of the discussions that were being held.

    Viv, the most extraordinary statement you made in the paragraph I quoted was: "it is considered a very serious matter in the UK to do anything at all to prejudice a criminal trial." The reality is that the prejudice has been so great in Britain that the investigation was derailed and there was no need to worry about a criminal trial.

    REPLY I am afraid the reality is that forensic evidence such as Madeleine's clothing was not seized by Portuguese Police, had this happened in UK it most certainly would have been. The Pt Police were just too nice to the McCanns. Therefore, even if they did kill Madeleine, the chance to collect the evidence to prove that was irretrievably lost, Goncalo admits that and says that in future British procedures should be adopted when dealing with such a case.

    I struggle to understand why people ignore the fact that the McCanns were also being investigated for kidnapping and trafficking Madeleine, there was no definitive theory as to what happened to her. This is proved by the Appeal Court judgment of Evora and also the prosecutor very recently at Goncalo's appeal. Given the Smith family did see Gerry McCann abducting Madeleine and given the GASPAR evidence etc it is entirely understandable to me why the police would think as they obviously do and not see this as some simple accident. Very plainly it was not. In history I have never once seen a couple so incredibly organised and quite utterly bizarre in their conduct as the McCanns, this simply was no accident. They were instructing lawyers and setting up funds, briefing the press against the Pt police etc, handing out old photos they just happened to think to bring with them from the very first moments! The only people who are operating one very major conspiracy are Team McCann

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  88. Viv, you express yourself like a politician, not really answering what is asked, going off on a tangent and cleverly avoiding the questions that are troublesome. In my comment 76, I do not talk about who is guilty or innocent or about any evidence that exists or doesn't. You said that in Britain: "it is considered a very serious matter in the UK to do anything at all to prejudice a criminal trial." After what has taken place in Britain I do not see how anyone can make that assertion.

    I'll make it easy for you, why don't you review each question again and answer a simple yes or no to each.

    Don't leave out your reply concerning the behaviour of Justice Hogg and the Home Office.

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  89. @82 Find this very interesting given the McCanns desire to 'give' the PJ a timeline - so stupidly defacing a book of Madeleine's and clearly exhibiting not only a lack of emotion but a disire to get their stories straight that showed a lack of worry about Madeleine that they would go on thoughtlessly repeating to this day. Then their PJ statements - I reckon they were very keen to know what each other had testified and made that clear to the police. Im sure the police were also very curious to see how their statements would alter having seen what the others wrote- they could hardly grill them their solicitors were too good- Id bet they didnt see their own statements that would have given them opportunity to lie quite well.
    Fact is by that time everyone realised their first statements were of little or no use.Id say worthless in an investigative way. Personally given the case and circumstances I would have done the same thing and the tapas friends second set of statements are very revealing. Very revealing indeed.

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  90. Excellent post 86
    I never thought along those lines ,but it give food for thought

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  91. I agree with everything you've said, Viv, but would expand the definition of Team McCann to include the British police, Forensic Science Services, media and quite possibly the individuals who brought Raymond Hewlett into the story.

    The paedophile theory is a possibility, as is the theory that Gerry McCann was meeting his "handlers" in Portugal and his association with British Intelligence personnel was not something that happened AFTER Maddie disappeared.

    I don't believe any of the wives would stand by and allow their children to be victims of sexual abuse or be complicit in covering that up. I do believe that the wives would be complicit in the cover up if they are under orders from MI5 or MI6.

    This is not nearly as out of the question as it may seem.

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  92. Kate and Gerry----who to sue NEXT ?

    Reports from California say that Jaycee Lee Dugard (the girl abducted on June 10th.1991 and found on August 26th.2009)has filed a claim against the California Authorities for their Probation Service not monitoring the convicted sex offender who snatched her.

    As this young woman's name has already been used by the McCanns to attempt to justify their Mantra of "No proof of harm etc, blah,blah, blah. Plus their claim that "abductees" can be found after many years,based almost solely on this bizarre case,how long will it be before we hear that compensation is demanded from the Portuguese Authorities for "Not doing enough to find their missing child ?

    As for "No proof of harm" etc. The unfortunate Miss Dugard suffered multiple rape over the years and bore two children to her abductor.
    Despite these facts being widely known about the fate of an abducted child who has not been killed,she became the sexual slave for an evil man!

    Knowing the terrible things that can and do happen to abducted females and sometimes males, how can the McCanns continue to insist on "No evidence of harm" ? I prefer NO BLOODY EVIDENCE OF ABDUCTION!

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  93. Who could sue th McCanns for leaving clidren unsupervised?
    That led to Madeleine missed. Believe UK social service should do that.
    I've read the news in US a mother left her 4y.o. boy at home alone and the child fell down from the window. The mother is to spend 4 years in jail for neglegence.

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  94. Guerra, I understand that word translates as war, hostility etc. I can see you feel at war with all British institutions involved in this case. I am not happy to be described as a politician and have no reason to cleverly avoid answering anything.

    Clearly you will continue to argue there is something decidedly bent about British Judges, the Home Office etc no matter what I say. But I will continue to believe that when Mrs Justice Hogg referred to that one person who knows where Madeleine is to be found, that one person who has so cruelly secreted her away from her family she was referring to Gerry McCann. How else could she know it is primarily one person? That would hardly equate with the tall tales from Kate and Gerry McCann. In May 2007 Mrs Justice Hogg made an order favourable to Kate and Gerry allowing them to have access to police information. In April to July 2008 following a lengthy police investigation of Kate and Gerry, she completely turned against them, made Madeleine a WArd of Court and overturned her earlier Order siding with the police and our Attorney General against them. No matter what you say those are the facts.

    Anon 93, to be frank I think it is absolutely absurd to suggest that the Forensic Science Service, British Police and the Media are part of Team McCann. These same people who Gerry McCann says are all against him? Quite plainly they are, are the Pt Police who have just said that they are part of this fantasy plot also? Pt Judges and Prosecutors too? I think some people just get carried away and clearly blur the lines between who are the criminals and who are those tracking them down and trying to bring them to justice. I would just add the British media are in it for what they can make out of it, particularly the low class redtops but when they are allowed to turn the tables on Kate and Gerry, post conviction they most certainly will. But in the meantime, their conduct in seeking to start a racist war between UK and Portugal is disgusting, I am particularly referring to offensive comments made about the Pt Police etc. If the redtops do not print what Clarence Mitchell wants them to print, he cuts them off from Kate and Gerry. On their own admission, these two have been one massive money earner.

    The Security Services would most certainly be involved in this case, looking for Madeleine and investigating those who arranged for her to disappear.

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  95. 93

    I missed the last bit of your post, I think your comments are naive. What you are suggesting would mean that male partners do not sexually abuse children because the wives would not approve/would not cover it up. If only that were true how much safer children would be!

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  96. Viking at 94,

    You are way behind Kate and Gerry and their sue fest cashin plans, see this report from November 2007 where they were saying they would sue the PJ for ONE MILLION something that always just absolutely astounded me, but this couple have that effect! A bit like the ten million they were going to make from Maddie the Movie, thanks to internetters and Goncalo Amaral, not just the police, they thought better of it! We have been successful in putting this couple straight, they just never bargained for the backlash they were going to get to their, ahem, campaigns..

    McCanns may sue Portuguese police for £1m if Madeleine investigation is closedLast updated at 11:32 09 November 2007

    Comments (-) Add to My Stories Kate and Gerry McCann could sue the Portuguese police for failure to find their daughter, it was claimed yesterday.
    The couple could sue for an estimated £1million if the investigation is closed, it was reported.
    Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said it was something the couple's legal team might consider in the future.
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    Kate and Gerry McCann could sue for an estimated £1million if the investigation is closed, it has been reported
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    Madeleine: Changes in evidence from Tapas Nine could 'dramatically change investigation'
    Kate McCann screamed 'They've taken her' from the balcony, police insist
    One of the Portuguese lawyers acting for the McCanns, Rogerio Alves, told the newspaper Diario de Noticias: "What has to be done will be done in due time."
    A second member of their legal team, Carlos Pinto de Abreu said such a move was "technically possible" but would be difficult in practice.
    It would rely on the McCanns being able to prove that Portuguese police had failed to act on information which could have led them to Madeleine.
    One of the witnesses who claims to have seen the four-year-old in Morocco has told how police refused to investigate her sighting, saying: "It can't have been Madeleine because we believe she's dead."
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    Madeleine McCann has been missing since May 3
    Other witnesses have complained that Portuguese police never returned their calls or investigated their sightings.
    Mr Pinto de Abreu said: "You would have to prove that it was intentional. It is very, very difficult, almost impossible to do.
    "Only if you had information that someone had said they knew where the child was and the police had taken no action.
    "It wouldn't be easy but it would be possible."
    Asked if it was something he would consider on behalf of the McCanns, he said: "I cannot think about it."
    The lawyer said it would not be possible for the couple to sue the Portuguese state for defamation over the decision to make them suspects in their daughter's disappearance.
    He said: "The officials have always said that all lines of the investigation remain open.
    "That is quite a cautious opinion. That's all they've said."
    The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "It is something for their lawyers to consider further on down the line.
    "The only way this case will close for Kate and Gerry is when Madeleine is found safe and well."
    There has been speculation that the case could be closed as early as Christmas.


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492529/McCanns-sue-Portuguese-police-1m-Madeleine-investigation-closed.html#ixzz0gsVcHiQR

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  97. To Viv post#97. Like you and thousands of other "Un-believers in abduction" etc,I too have followed every pronouncement from the McCann camp since the outset of this charade. Despite all their earlier threats to sue the Portuguese State / Police, they have been much too busy sueing the Media,sueing Snr.Amaral and attempting to have their "Image" massaged by P.R. outfits. Now that they have experienced their first taste of a Court appearance where the action was not behind closed-doors,( January,Lisbon )they are running scared and looking for more cash for the Fund. These are people who will jump on any passing "bandwaggon",in view of the fact that they have already taken an interest in Jaycee Lee Dugard's re-appearance to attempt to justify their continued search for Madeleine,now that Miss Dugard has filed her claim against the State of California, the McCanns may decide to resurrect their earlier threat to sue Portugal,its Police Service and any passer by!

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  98. Reading the minutes of the Press Complaints Commission where Sir Christopher Meyer gives evidence; he isn't a fan of Carter-Ruck! His evidence about Gerry is also very telling. Gerry went to visit him at his home- how did this doctor ever get any work done?-denying he had ever received a previous message from Sir C M through the British Embassy, Sir Christopher then told him "We (PCC) do not do money, the courts do money, so you are going to have to make a choice." No problems there then for GM! The McCanns were then advised by their legal advisors that to go down the PCC route was not the mpst effective.."

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  99. Hi Viking

    Perhaps I should make my position clear, I believe that Gerry McCann was either responsible for the murder or abduction of Madeleine and so it would not be right to say I do not believe in the possibility of an abduction, I do, but not by any stranger. If it was an abduction it was one arranged by him and I believe the Smith sighting was of him carting poor little Maddie off. There is absolutely ZERO evidence of any abduction being conducted by a stranger and the McCanns have variously altered their evidence to make that an apparent possibility, most notably by Gerry changing is evidence to the police to say that actually the door was left open which just beggars belief. A wilfully negligent parent may well leave the children as they did, but in those circumstances would clearly lock the door! To my mind the admitted negligence is just a coverup for a far more serious crime that was actually committed and one that was planned and in relation to a little girl they had no love for and considered expendable, Gerry in particular. This has now made Kate very seriously ill IMO but she was anyway.

    I also believe that one of his main motivations for acting in this way was to cash in on a very grand scale. It is notable these proposed actions are always spoken of in compensation terms as one million etc which is a phenomenal amount and not consonant wit the level of ordinary damages claims. But it is typical of the high and mighty attitude of Gerry McCann that he would believe he should get this.

    I believe the proposed action against the PJ was another of Gerry's fantasies and this does support my view that he may have arranged her abduction because he would perversely reason, therefore she can be found! I am also quite certain that any lawyers he sought advice from would have advised him very clearly, one, it is extremely difficult to pursue a negligence action against the police. They do not adopt a duty of care to solve a criminal case or find a missing child, they simply do their best. And two, any lawyers would clearly advise him the PJ have very substantial evidence against him, including that supplied by British authorities. Therefore any proposed action against the PJ would do him immense harm and he would lose. It is true to say IMO that in reality he has heavily lost against Goncalo Amaral. It is notable that as Jo published on here, and I have to say, to my delight, UK apparently have the most senior criminal profiler, Lee Rainbow who advises police on a national and international basis and who labelled Gerry McCann as a possible murderer. That is entirely consistent with my own views about him. I have always thought that Goncalo has actually been charitable to the McCanns in putting forward the mildest possible scenario of what they actually did with poor little Madeleine, God Bless Her, dead or alive and wherever she may be.

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  100. Viv, first of all, guerra is a common Portuguese surname. It is not a name I chose because I'm at war with British institutions. In fact, before this case started in 2007 I had no idea that England doesn’t have a free press and that it has a very flawed democracy, I actually held British institutions in high regard. I was naive. Viv, either your lifetime of experience working in the criminal justice system in England and Wales has destroyed your common sense or you are motivated by some other reason for making the frivolous statements that you have made.

    Let me remind you of what you said; you said politicians and judges in the UK take extra care not to take sides, that they choose their words and actions carefully, in order to prevent prejudicing a trial.

    I laughed, and I'm probably not the only one who did, when you claimed that Mrs. Justice Hogg was referring to Mr. McCann when she made her appeal to that elusive abductor. Then you said: How else could she know it is primarily one person? It is obvious that in making this last statement that you have a very low regard for the intelligence of the people that frequent this blog. For the sake of reasoning let's just say that that was her intention, do you believe that everyone interpreted it that way? Well from reading the commentary made by English citizens, when this incident occurred, obviously not. So what can we conclude from this? We can conclude that Mrs. Justice Hogg was not careful when she chose her words and that her words may influence a prospective juror. In Canada Mrs. Justice Hogg would have to explain her conduct to the Bar.

    When I think back to that European parliament public relations stunt that the McCanns made, with the aid of their political friends, a comment made by a British citizen comes to mind. This person commented that she was disgusted when she turned on her TV and saw the McCann couple in Brussels, flanked by British politicians, addressing journalists and taking credit for a child welfare initiative that they had nothing to do with. She then said that she expressed her disgust to a family member. The family member replied back to her: "Well, they must be innocent." When I read this comment, I thought to myself, the McCanns accomplished what they set out to do. With the aid of their political friends they most likely contaminated a future jury, they also cleverly detracted from the attention given to Mr. Rebelo who just happened to come to England to interrogate their friends on the very same day. Oh by the way Viv that comment was posted on a Blog; I believe it is or was called "Justice for Madeleine and the twins" you are quite familiar with that Blog aren't you?

    Viv, I'll continue to follow your efforts to defend the British government with curiosity and amusement. It's interesting that even though you defend British politicians, much like the British media, you are pushing the McCanns away from the labour party toward the Tories. With the upcoming elections, the McCanns appear to have become a hot potato as far as "Labour" is concerned.

    Viv, I would like to commend you on your subtle efforts to cast doubt. That sentence embedded in one of your comments in which you said that you believe that Madeleine is alive and that the McCanns hid her was quite clever. Oh, I just read your reply to Viking, once again with the McCann abduction theory. I guess we can ignore the work done by the cadaver dogs, isn’t that right viv.

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  101. Guerra, if you believe that I can write as I do above on the McCann case, and as I did on my blog Justice for Maddie and, at the same time, be a member of Team McCann I think you are best left to your own thoughts! But in future when attempting to quote me, please do so accurately, thanks.

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