14 February 2010

'McCann twins may hold clues' says criminal profiler


By James Murray

The country’s most senior criminal profiler suggested Madeleine McCann’s brother and sister should have been interviewed about her disappearance.

Twins Sean and Amelie were aged just two years and three months when Madeleine was snatched from a holiday apartment on the Algarve in Portugal in May 2007 shortly before her fourth birthday.

A month later, Lee Rainbow, senior behavioural investigation consultant at the National Policing Improvement Agency, wrote a report for Portuguese detectives which may have altered the course of the inquiry.

Mr Rainbow urged them to “consider the possibility of exploring the potential of interviewing Sean and Amelie McCann”.

The children, now five, were sharing a bedroom with Madeleine when she was taken. As reported last year in the Sunday Express, the McCanns believe the kidnapper may have entered the apartment the evening before because Madeleine complained she had been woken by Sean crying.

The last time British police seriously interviewed such a young child was in 1992. Rachel Nickell was murdered in front of her two-year-old son, Alex Hanscombe, on Wimbledon Common, south-west London. Despite his age, Alex was able to give detectives valuable and credible information.

Child psychologists worked closely with police to draw information from Alex in a painstaking exercise which lasted months. Former Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral has presented Mr Rainbow’s report to a civil court in Lisbon as he attempts to lift a ban on selling his book about the case, The Truth Of The Lie.

In the summary of the 30-page report Mr Rainbow wrote: “The potential involvement of the family in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann cannot be discarded, and it can be considered that, when pondering the basis for research, this hypothesis deserves as much attention as the criminal with sexual motivations that has been previously prioritised.

“It should be stressed that there is no evidence to directly support an involvement of the family, yet given the absence of decisive evidence to prove the contrary, such a scenario has to be explored.” At court last week, Mr Amaral’s lawyer, Antonio Cabrita, read out a section of 37-year-old Mr Rainbow’s report which said: “The family is a lead that should be followed.”

On Thursday the judge hearing the libel case is expected to rule on whether Mr Amaral’s book and a DVD should go back on sale.

Doctors Kate and Gerry McCann, both 41, from Rothley, Leicestershire, won an injunction to have them banned.

It was on the grounds that Mr Amaral’s theory that Madeleine died in the apartment was untrue and had damaged their global search for their daughter.

A spokesman for the couple said that any suggestion from Mr Rainbow would have been considered by investigating officers at the time.

It is not known whether Sean and Amelie were formally interviewed by police. The children are thought to have slept through the kidnap. The McCanns have always insisted they had no involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.


in: Sunday Express, 14.02.2010


159 comments:

  1. 00:39:00 1485 "Did you enter the MCCANN apartment? Well you did. Did you enter the children’s room? Which you did. You described what you saw, you’ve said that you saw the twins. Did you notice anything strange about it?”
    Reply "Err, as I say, you know about before, the amount of screaming that was going on in the apartment and around and everything that was kicking off and the fact that the two of them could just sleep through it, you know, again, perhaps just take on board saying that you know sometimes you know, they’ve had their difficulties with Kate and Gerry with them sleeping through and you know it was just very bizarre that they continued to sleep through- DP Rog.

    UK Police Liaison Officer........They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.

    GM Panorama....
    The twins were still sleeping in their cots. So... you'd be trying to leave it as undisturbed as possible, and they slept very soundly until we moved them out of the cots into their own apartment which does make me wonder about whether there was any substances used to keep them asleep.

    Prosecutors report.

    Finally, the fact that, despite all that confusion and all that noise, the twins continued to sleep, as mentioned by GNR Officer José Maria Baptista Roque, a member of the patrol that was first to arrive at the apartment “the children never woke up, remaining in a ventral decubitus position, not moving during the search and afterwards” [28], remains unexplained. Nevertheless, a Team from the Criminal Police Lab, on the 4th of May 2007, eliminated the existence of any product that could have been ministered to the missing child, in order to maintain her in a state of unconsciousness, as well as the presence of blood traces.

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  2. At the very leas,a question about what, if anything, they were given before bedtime would have been useful.

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  3. Two important rules for investigating offiers
    1 Watch the family
    2 follow the money

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  4. Sean and Amelie, if it was a domestic accident, early in the evening or before, were not asleep and were probably witnesses of what happened. If it's true, there were after sedated in order, may be to forgott was they saw,and more probably not to be interviewed. Some children at this age speak enough to be understood.
    Kate insisted that they couldn't speak properly, the McCann repeat to them at each occasion that Madeleine was abducted by "a monster",they play a game called the monster who took Madeleine,they receive gifts from their sister who is, according to their parents, alive somewhere and will return home soon or later.
    Why so many incredible efforts to persuade these children? May be because they saw what really happened and it's vital for the McCann to pre-empt their memory.
    But dreadfull memory are not easily erased and may be they have,in their inconscious, the truth.

    Frencheuropean

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  5. Oh dear!
    '...Madeleine was snatched from a holiday apartment on the Algarve in Portugal in May 2007..'
    Just leaves the question: By whom?
    Please, Mr. Murray, do me a favour and read the files!

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  6. My recollection - although I could be wrong - was that the police had wanted to take the twins for medical checks but the mccanns refused to allow it. The mccanns then had their own checks performed months down the line and after several haircuts - mentioned in gerry's blogs - and announced that there was no evidence of the twins being drugged.

    PeterMac at No. 4 - spot on

    Judy

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  7. Had the PJ and Amaral been allowed to their job without political interference the Mccanns would have been behind bars long ago and would not have beeen allowed to set up fraudulent funds and pose in the papers and TV as god's gift to mankind.

    The pair of them smell of dead fish.

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  8. The twins by now will have been brainwashed like the rest of the country into believing the abduction scenario.

    How about these so called experts exploring what the dogs are telling about what happened in that apartment. They might learn something then.

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  9. Q. What did KM qualify in?

    A. Anaesthetics

    Louise

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  10. Quite right, #7, there is no doubt the twins were drugged and not in the same room as Maddie. However, they could well have been witnesses to whatever dreadful incident precipitated all this, and that is why they have been brainwashed ever since by teh sinted parents, imo.

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  11. Post 7 and 4..I believe there is something about this in the book Maddie 129...which oddly enough you can buy in English...

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  12. The absolute out of character and theatrical behaviour (including that pathetic muslim prayer position) of the McCanns that night had only one intention: that of keeping the police busy with them AT ALL COSTS.

    PeterMac - The way to go

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  13. The McCanns said the twins slept right through it all, even with 20 odd people traipsing through the place. How can they know what went on if that's the case?

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  14. I dont know about the rest of you, but I am tired of this constant 'only thing we know for certain is that Madeleine was taken'

    We know plenty of things for certain!

    We know, for example, that Gerald went to a lot of trouble to discuss which side of the road he and Wilkins were on when they chatted.

    I've already shared my theory - that McCann went across the road to speak to Wilkins to ensure he didnt go near the bottom of the steps - the area where the cadaver dog 'indicated'. We know that Tanner definately claims she saw someone carrying a child - someone dressed suspiciously like McCann. We know she said she saw Wilkins chatting to McCann and we know both denied seeing her.

    It is not difficult to put these pieces of known fact together to form some quite reasonable possibilities is it (inlcuding the 'odd' aspects of the facts)?

    I implore anyone involved - in the media specifically - to stop saying that there is only one element, whatever it might be - that is a known fact!

    There si a great deal of factual evidence, it just hasnt been positioned to form a coherent chain (except by people in places like this).

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  15. Yes, the McCanns were said to have refused access to the twins...they mused (incredible isnt it!)over the idea that they (the twins) might have been sedated by an abductor - yet refused to have them tested until they returned to the UK and some months had passed (when they alleged that they had them tested and found clean!).

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  16. Thursday, February 11, 2010
    Team McCann taking Gonçalo Amaral to court opened the floodgates, NPIA report states the parents should be investigated

    Dear All

    The decision by Gerald Patrick and Kate McCann to pursue Gonçalo Amaral was a mistake, rather than stopping information coming into the public domain they created a flood.

    A National Policy Investigation report, a British private body considers that not only the abduction should be investigated but also the death of Madeleine McCann.

    The report states that criminal profiler Lee Rainbow who went to Praia da Luz had 'a strong conviction of the parent’s involvement into their daughter’s disappearance'.

    It seems that the McCann bubble has finally burst.

    The report’s contents make for interesting reading with comments such as;

    “It was Madeleine's father who was the last one to see her alive”.

    “The family is a lead that should be followed”.

    “The contradictions in Gerald McCann's statements might lead us to suspect a homicide".

    "On June 1st 2007 British police had the theory that Madeleine could be dead and the family could be involved".

    At present, the Madeleine McCann case has been archived by the Portuguese Police for the last three years.

    During this time both Gerald Patrick and Kate McCann could have asked for the case to be reopened.

    They did not.

    The Portuguese Police need to reopen this case and start again from scratch.

    The McCanns’ should be subject to an EU arrest warrant and returned to Portugal to answer questions under oath in a Court of Law as well as the Tapas 7.

    Finally, is not sad that Gerald Patrick and Kate McCann are prepared to travel thousands of miles but on the night of their daughter’s disappearance they never joined the search for her themselves?

    Mind you there is rather a lot of money on the table now that wasn’t available in Praia da Luz in May 2007.


    I remember Gerald McCann from Glasgow University, he is the kind of person when you walk pass, you instinctively turn round and check.

    Yours sincerely

    George Laird
    The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
    Posted by George Laird at 9:06 AM
    Labels: crime, Glasgow University, Madeleine McCann

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  17. GM Blog.

    29 May 07

    It has been very difficult to leave Sean and Amelie but it is only for one nght and we will be back to see them before bedtime tomorrow. Trish and Sandy (Madeleine’s Godparents) who have been with us in Portugal since Day 2 are looking after them and we were surprised to hear they were tucked up in bed by 7.30pm- they must like their new beds!

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  18. "The children are thought to have slept through the kidnap". http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/102.gif

    And which kidnap would that be Daily Express? I hope in tomorrow's paper you will be providing the back up for this assertion?

    Oh, silly me! I had forgotten that the Daily Express has declared the McCanns innocent in its apology for the so-called libels.

    Why doesn't the Daily Express address the question 'Why did the McCanns stage the fake break-in?'.

    Could it just be to support the fake kidnap?

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  19. I expect PLAN B will be actively being considered,Oldfield,O,Brien AND jane Tanner need to lawyer up PDQ-IMO They need lawyers who specialse in protecting people who have been fiited up as fall guys by their erstwhile mates. Having underlings neatly in the frame in case planA goes belly up is standard practice for political PR guys like Clarrie,their roll is make sure the guy whos paying them is teflon coated

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  20. Get the Maccanns back to Portugal and get this case reopened. Brown is out in May so they lose him the fund is running short this is the time to do it. Brown is on UK tv tonight crying 2 tears out of the one eye its to fool the UK public and gets votes he is not on, he like the Maccanns is finished.

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  21. George, 17
    "Finally, is not sad that Gerald Patrick and Kate McCann are prepared to travel thousands of miles but on the night of their daughter’s disappearance they never joined the search for her themselves?"
    Sad ? Inexcusable.
    And they keep going back to Portugal in the search for money, but never, ever, not even once, go for a short walk around PdL where their No 1 Private Detective Agency man she definitely is.
    They don't organise a search, they don't ask the police to help, they do nothing themselves.
    Nothing.
    Conclusion ?
    They don't believe him.
    They don't believe him because they KNOW he is talking rubbish.

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  22. Not the old Brown chestnut again 21, give it a rest

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  23. Quite simply nothing that Mr Amaral has said can be proved to be untrue. In the same way as the McCanns version cannot be proved to be true or untrue. (But it seems that there are a number of discrepancies) Therefore I fail to see how any court case can rule against Mr Amaral.

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  24. Antihistamines are a possibility.GM had antihistamines on holiday. One I take knocks me out for the night. I won't use it during the day.

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  25. Is it for definite that the McCanns refused for the twins to be tested?

    I've heard it but not read it or seen it in the files that they refused this.

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  26. @ post 18
    Day 2.
    What a way to express yerself ,Gerry.
    Day 2.
    Says it all.

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  27. john again,

    the twins will have very useful info:

    question - 'twins, what happened?'

    Twins (together) 'the window was jemmied and madeleine was taken out of the window by a peadophile - I think his name was Ray or Raymond - there was a big label on his back - then we fell asleep - thats all we know, sorry'

    interview ended at 12.59

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  28. Why did Jane Tanner say she feared SHE would be abducted by the SPANISH police when she was taken to ID Robert Murat?

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  29. I believe when Madeleine died, the twins were not drugged yet.
    The police could ask for a regression therapy, hypnotism, and possibly the twins would remember it.
    If there was an abductor, at 6.30 pm!, they would remember him.

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  30. 29, no police would ever abduct Jane Tanner.
    If they would get this chance, they would abduct a pretty, atractive woman.
    Police don't waste their time.

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  31. Good idea! One of them could have seen something when the trial run was apparently done by the abductor.

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  32. GM used terfenadine (antihistamine) for hay fever. He said it wasn't given to the children. It can be dangerous for those with heart conditions.

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  33. Why don't the Mcs have a session with a world renowned hypnotist to see exactly what they recall of the nights events?, afterall they would do anything for Madalaine (their words).
    Could this be suggested to them and the tapas mob?, then we could sit back and wait for the excuses as to why they would'nt go ahead with it.

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  34. I've always wondered about the Arab praying position. Did they, by any chance, try to do "in Rome like Romans", thinking the Algarve was some Muslim extension of Morocco ?

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  35. 35- It has been suggested that this is a Masonic gesture, asking for help in extreme circumstances. I don't know anything personally about Masonic practices or how likely it would be for a Portuguese police oofficer to be a mason.

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  36. 8-} All publicity is good publicity. Amaral's book - even assuming what the data is telling him/us is misleading, could never hinder the search for Madeleine. I mean if I believed Madeleine was dead, would that prevent me from doing a citizen's arrest or calling the police if I found her in my local supermarket or elsewhere? Of course not.

    The "Meccanos" imagine everyone gets up in the morning looking for Madeleine. Real life is not like that. Coincidence and synchronicity determine such encounters. Amaral's book has in fact kept Madeleine's memory alive (one way or the other).

    The reason the Meccanos are suing Amaral is threefold:

    Their egos are hurt, it is a good alibi, and there is a million in it.

    They will try to asphyxiate Amaral(financially this time)for attempting to expose them. This is the underlying, psychological motivation of the Meccanos.

    They only sue those who have money. Newspapers, TV stations, publishers or best-selling authors. Eagles do not eat flies...

    The Meccanos' franchise will go on for as long as the money lasts and/or keeps coming in. Dona Isabel, who plays the lawyer and is now a sore in the collective conscience of the Portuguese, will retire a rich woman. There is no business like show-business.

    :)) Oh! and whether they win or loose is not a problem. They are not the ones to foot the bill. The patsies will.

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  37. aacg @ 35

    Who knows? Their knowledge of geography seems to be disastrous. As Anon @ 29 says, Jane Tanner was afraid of being abducted by the SPANISH police when was taken to identify Robert Murat. LOL

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  38. :)] to aacg at 35

    I have thought that myself. On the other hand it is also a universal non-verbal request for clemency. I have seen a distressed Japanese woman and European children doing just that even if I feel inclined to agree with you.

    Consider Jean Jacques de Menezes - murdered by British marksmen in the London underground. If you have a good look at him, he is white and does not look Arab or Muslim at all, if anything else he looked Latin or Celt-Iberian yet the local natives thought he was a terrorist and pumped him with bullets.

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  39. Never have i known a case where the suspects have run the show??!!! the papers say "kidnap" as they are told by the Mccanns?(no evidence to prove this though) the Goverment got involved to help them, why?? the media miss vital clips on the reprting of news updates(so things dont look bad for the Mccanns)then like the court case with Amaral we have a news blackout as they had some bad days in court? just who are the Mccanns as for the life of me i do not understand what they have on other people, as normal people would have been locked up by now!!!(for neglect alone, not to mention anything else) i have never felt so angry-frustrated as i do with these two.

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  40. is it possible for Gerry McCann to have passed a CRB check, necessary for his job, in the face of this information? Is the ISA aware of all the facts, including the Gaspars' allegations?
    If he has, it seems to make a mockery of a procedure that many British people, like myself, have been through in order to do our jobs.

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  41. to nr. 35

    What would you do if there were some traces left on your clothes.
    ( white paint from climing over a wall, dirt from digging, eventualy blood from holding an injured child against your breast)
    The first time he did this was in front of a policeman when Kate was very close to him (she did not do it at that moment...?)
    The second time they ( Kate and Gerry ) repeateded it together in the bedroom in presence of (again) a policeman.
    Both times in in clearer light. Remember also that nobody seems to remember what clothes they were waring

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  42. For the record: See Pamalam day 23 (26/05/2007) Gerry's blogs

    " some of you may have noticed that Sean and Amelie did manage to squeeze in a hair cut "

    Fact is that it happened the day before on 25/05/2007
    Conclusion: no hair, no DNA, no evidence, ....

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  43. Anon @ 41

    The NHS only do CRB checks when people change jobs. My wife is a nurse and has had several enhanced CRB checks, as she has progressed in her career. However, in the ward where she works now are nurses who have never worked anywhere else throughout their career, have never changed jobs or department, and consequently have never, ever, had a CRB check done. That is where the biggest risk lies, but it is not NHS policy to CRB check all staff on a regular basis.

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  44. I believe the McCs refused to let the twins be tested for drugs not because of some drug supposedly administered by the phantom abductor, but because they themsleves were giving them something to make sure they slept. If not, why would they not have demanded that the twins be checked?

    This said, I will state that my 1 1/2 year old can and does sleep through a lot of noise (I have a noisy upstairs neighbour)...

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  45. The twins would have witnessed anything going on in the afternoon. Those strange stains on the wall? Traces of blood under the sofa?

    They would certainly be able to say 'There was a row, Maddie was crying' 'We had nice medicine' 'X was very angry'
    I've thought this since the start,it's just common sense - they were THERE all the time, day, night, afternoon with Madeleine.
    By a clever bit of management they have ended up as being thought of as an entirely different department, totally divorced from whatever was going on. It's as if they were not there at all.
    But it's astounding what a small child can notice, remember, and announce much later.Any parent will have experienced this.

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  46. Off topic , sorry .

    Who is more likely to be supporting the McCanns apart from the Madeleine fund the British government or a very rich individual . We need look no further than the G.M C. and the B.M.A. The B.M.A. is the doctors union . They employ expensive lawyers for doctors in trouble with the law . The G.M.C. didn't want Harold Shipman struck off , even though he was a mass murderer . If doctors are struck-off they automatically loose their rights to a pension . Shipman's widow gets a pension although her husband was a murderer . in my opinion , it is the G.M.C. and the B.M.A. who are financing the McCanns . We can forget all other establishments such as the British Government and Gordon Brown , in my opinion .

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  47. According the McCann abduction scenario, the abductor had a "small window of opportunity" to go into the apartment and snatch Madeleine. Yet according to Gerry the abductor must have spent enough time stopping by each twin to administer a sedative without walking anyone up. If he did it by needle surely the child would have cried out, if only for a moment. If it was given by mouth the abductor would have to wake the child up and force the sedative on them. Even then sedatives by mouth would surely take a while to get into the blood stream. All in a very small window of opportunity.

    Were the twins examined buy an independent doctor afterwards to check for needle marks, sedatives and even the possibility that they were molested by the 'abductor?' Normal parents would want all these possibilities looked into.

    The only drugs given to those kids were by their doctor parents.

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  48. aacg said... 35
    Their behaviour that night is not typical of parents who have lost a child. Nor IMHO of parents who have very recently found a child dead.
    I have met many such people in the course of my duties.

    Those who have a dead child cry, mostly almost silently in British culture, withdraw into themselves, become almost inarticulate, feel that dreadful pain across the chest that many of us know only too well, are almost unable to breathe, or move, or to do anything very much at all.

    Those who have 'lost' a child (in the sense of mislaid, can't find...) go through a similar but slightly more active set of emotions, and sometimes even have to be mildly restrained by the officers trying to get some useful details from them, to prevent their rushing off into the darkness shouting the name of the missing child.

    Sitting at home 'googling' or printing pre-prepared posters, headbutting walls, beating the floor, roaring like a bull and so on, (assuming it was reported more or less correctly) is emphatically not normal behaviour. It fits the general description of "Acting" much better. And Ham at that.

    Not even going out of doors to add your own voice to the many calling the name of your own missing daughter is incomprehensible. And to my kind extremely significant.

    To spend the next few weeks jogging up hills, and blogging and bragging about how long they were taking is breath taking.

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  49. If the twins are interviewed now they will be able to say that
    adeleine never forgets their birthdays. Wherever she is she still sends them gifts.

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  50. In my opinion the twins have been subjected to subtle brainwashing. Young children have impressionable minds and the twins have been told and are being continually told that their sister was taken away from them and mommy and daddy are looking for her. I can understand the MCcanns wanting to re-assure the little ones that mommy and daddy are doing all they can to find their sister, what I find most offensive is that the twins have been fed with a "stranger" "monster" taking her from her bed. This is not a fact as it has not been proved that an abduction took place.

    I would have thought that it would be paramount to safeguard the emotional health of the twins, surely it would have been far more sensible to state that their sister has gone missing from the apartment and mommy and daddy were doing all they could to find her.

    I only hope that there is no long term damage to their emotional health, they already want to fight "the monster"

    Childrens nightmares -- someone under the bed, monsters after them ..........

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  51. Don't the Tapas lot realise that if the case is re-opened, then they will once again be questioned, and i would suggest, there would be no pussyfooting around this time, the police will be quite vigerous in their questioning and if found that any of them lied to enable a cover-up..........they are in serious trouble. It would not be classed as simply a * little white lie *, no, they would probably do time for this....what then of their own children?? I hope they have thought about this very seriously

    lindi

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  52. Portuguese justice system is corrupt. It is very possible that Mccanns win "same way" as they did last time. In fact I will be surprised if they lose.

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  53. Post 18, I remember this. What an odd thing to say when they claim they left the children all tucked up and asleep on 3rd May - settled enough to leave them all alone.

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  54. Post 15. Gerald and the flower bed, yes that sounds feasible. Tanner and the abdcutor and no Gerald and Wilkins, changes to add in Gerald and Wilkins later.

    Yep makes sense!

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  55. How is it that gerry was/is able to call the shots?
    I would have thought that any parent of a missing child would have co-operated fully with the police.

    I know for a FACT that if I had been in their position ( hearing that word "situaaaayshion really grates on me),
    I would have spent half my time in the police station answering any question put to me and the rest of the time searching and asking questions of everyone.

    If the police had asked to question or test my other children I would have complied willingly. In my mind it would have been the right and proper thing to do.

    How can the parents of a GENUINELY missing child NOT want to help the police in any and every way?????

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  56. Careful Gerry.
    Prison is not a nice place to be aspecially if you are in for child molesting.

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  57. At every turn it is the McCanns and their friends who have blocked real invetigative progress, by confusing the times, corrupting the crime scene, diverting attention, no doubt their influence resulted in Amaral being removed...refusing to answer questions, refusing to be a part of a proper out of camera reconstruction...how on earth can people get away with such obvious interference in an investigation? Surely there are enough intelligent and aware personnel in the police force and other elements of the administration to realise what is going on?

    Incredible!

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  58. Why does no one have Madeleines DNA?

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  59. Post 2 What did Gerry MaCann mean in the Panorama statement where he says the twins were sleeping very soundly until we moved them out off their cots into their own apartment ,,,was this on the evening Madeleine went missing.

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  60. im sorry 45
    you are mistaken.
    ALL healthworkers and associated workers HAVE to have a crb before being accepted for a job. furthermore, an enhanced crb - with regard to children, the elderly and mental health - is needed for particular jobs.

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  61. OT, but talking about the twins... There are two people who will in future not buy the "well within the bounds of responsible parenting" line... They "lost" their sister and it could have been either of them or both instead/as well. K. & G., just wait till they are teenagers for that to come back with a vengeance!

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  62. Well done, Sunday Express.
    I wish you strenght.
    Soon, very soon you will get back your freedom of expression.
    Just repeat what was said in court, and people will know what might have happen.

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  63. #62 incorrect. The people I am referring to have been in these positions for years, before computers, before the CRB check system was begun - this is a fairly recent innovation. As I said previously, only when changing jobs are CRB checks done. All new applicants are checked. Existing staff are only checked when they change jobs.

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  64. Anon 57

    One could argue that they genuinely thought that the PJ were trying to stitch them up.

    Of course if they are telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, they might have jumped at the chance of a reconstruction to clear their names, wouldn't they? Perhaps they wouldn't if they had indeed 'embellished' their checking routine (in a panic) fearful of being prosecuted for neglect. But if they had done this, they'd have been putting their own wellbeing above that of their missing (abducted) child and sacrificed a proper search. Surely they wouldn't have deliberately done that just to protect themselves from neglect charges?


    That applies as much to now as then.

    If things were still looking a bit bleak after a reconstruction and they are innocent of any involment in the disappearance, a good PR professional might advise they take polygraph tests to help clear their names and return the focus to a search.

    The fact they chose to continue with their ineffective private investigation rather than publicly, and formally, press the prosecutor for a re-opening of the police investigation with an explicit undertaking to answer questions and attend a reconstruction,(I don't like the sound of Gerrys' 'independent review')seems strange.

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  65. McCann is deluded by his own narcissism which convinces him that he can do anything, even fool all of the people all of the time. "There is no evidence" he says. In his subconcious mind he really desperately wants to say that he made sure there wasn't any evidence, and he believes that'a all it takes to make him 'innocent'. Holding up the posters of the child like that to the press is designed to confront and inhibit the press in their questions. His strategy is to distract the press and the public with sentimentaliy and so avoid the hard real questions about the factt that there was no abduction.

    He now believes he must take control of the case, to review the evidence and discredit it systematically. He must be stopped from doing this by the authorities who now have to take back control.

    The wider agenda includes brainwashing the world, and the twins also but as time goes on this will all continue to fall apart.

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  66. Whatever the outcome of this case I am sure Mr Amaral has planned this very, very shrewdly.

    I believe he has a second card up his sleeve. You see, I have always felt that Mr Amaral only wrote his book to entice the McCanns into a court room. I firmly believe this was his plan all along. It has worked a treat so far.

    Even if Mr Amaral loses, I don't think he will be to bothered because he will then have a bigger stage to go to: the European High Courts. Once you get the invitation to there you can pretty much say the whole lot will come out in the open and there will be no doubt whatsoever - absolutely no doubt - that Mr Amaral will win and with a higher bracket to sue the McCanns for a much larger sum.

    Whatever happens, we all know that the McCanns are finished. It is not a question of if but when. That time is nearing. Very nearing.

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  67. Just found this on theExpress on line dated Feb 11th

    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/157425/McCanns-make-fresh-plea-after-court-ordeal

    MCCANNS MAKE FRESH PLEA AFTER COURT ORDEAL
    Kate McCann holds up a picture of her daughter
    Thursday February 11,2010
    By Daily Express Reporter
    GERRY McCann yesterday called for a review panel to be set up to analyse all the evidence gathered in the Madeleine investigation.
    Mr McCann spoke out after another harrowing day in court in which it was claimed he and his wife Kate had been made suspects on the advice of British experts.
    The couple, from Rothley, Leics, vigorously deny any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance and have never been charged with any offence.
    The claims were made at a hearing in Lisbon yesterday to decide whether to ban a book by former detective Goncalo Amaral.
    It is part of the McCanns’ £1million libel action against Mr Amaral, who was in charge of the initial investigation when Madeleine vanished from an apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007, shortly before her fourth birthday.
    After leaving court Mr McCann called for a review of evidence, urged Portuguese police to reopen the investigation and pleaded with the Portuguese public to help find Madeleine.
    He said: “What we would like is a panel to sit down and review the entire case – the evidence from all the different forces and all the evidence gathered by them.
    “We would like anyone to do this – the best people available.
    “It needs everyone to work together.”
    In a thinly veiled criticism of the Portuguese police investigation, Mr McCann added: “All possibilities have to be considered but one theory was pursued much more aggressively than any other possibility.”
    Mrs McCann added: “I think this will truly help the search for Madeleine and that is why we have gone through with it. It hasn’t been easy but if it helps we will go through anything.”
    During the hearing yesterday Mr Amaral’s lawyer Antonio Cabrita held up a report by Lee Rainbow, head of the UK National Policing Improvement Agency, who is an expert in building profiles of possible offenders.
    Reading from the report Mr Cabrita said: “The family is a lead that should be followed.”
    Mr Cabrita told the court the report had formed part of the police investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance but had never been made public before.
    Portuguese police made Kate and Gerry McCann formal suspects, or arguidos, in October 2007. The status was lifted in July 2008.
    Last night a spokesman for the NPIA said that it was common for them to advise officers to consider the possibility of family involvement in disappearance cases.
    Mr Amaral’s book, Maddie: The Truth Of The Lie, alleges that Madeleine died in her family’s holiday flat and her parents faked her abduction.
    A judge granted the McCanns a temporary injunction in September last year, halting further sale or publication of Mr Amaral’s book.
    He launched an appeal against the ban last month which was adjourned until yesterday.
    The McCanns say their main motive for challenging the former policeman is the fear that people will stop looking for Madeleine if they think she is dead. Any money from the libel action would be used to help find Madeleine.
    A judgment on Mr Amaral’s appeal will be made later this month.

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  68. Anon 59 - yes it does seem incredible that the McCanns are running the show and have done from 3rd May 2007. Goncalo Amaral has made reference to it in his book - saying he was warned off making certain investigations of the McCanns in case it might upset them. I don`t know who it was that warned him off.

    Anon 60 - Maddie`s DNA - if the apartment had been treated immediately as a crime scene it would have been collected, but everything of Maddie`s had been washed including cuddle cat, her hair brush, toothbrush etc. Not sure about her bedding. There was talk of GM flying home to Rothley to get something with her DNA on but not too sure about this.
    Louise

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  69. I read the Rachael Nickell story some monthsa ago, to check how old her son was, as I remember him being interviewed and wondered why the McCanns considered their twins to be too young to give any information. I still remember some things quite clearly from the age of two. Did they witness anything that could incriminate anyone?

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  70. OK, so the twins should have been questioned by trained people. Why weren't they? Why did the PJ not follow this up.

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  71. @ 29, Tanner did not say that. Read her rogatory. It was Bob Small who made a mistake and thought he was dealing with the Spanish poilce! She couldn't work out what he was on about, can't blame her really.

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  72. I'm in error, or PJ wanted to talk with twins immediately after Maddie disappeared and The Mccann's refused it? Without parents permission, PJ can't do anything. As far as we go back in that case, so many stories we find to support the idea that the investigation was manipulated since the beginning.

    I don't believe a single word Isabel Duarte said in the court about the supposed pictures of Madeleine in Portimao, on PJ hands. Most important... If there is any, I don't believe the Mccann's had not access to it! It was reported many times that Leicester police share information with Mccann's. How Leicester police decide to fail delivering that information to the Mccann's? NO WAY!! THIS WAS THE LAWYER LYING TO AVOID AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE FUND.
    The private detectives went to German to disturb a ill man. Why they did not went out UK to look for Madeleine, if there were sights? Another fairy tale to feed the circus.
    Is it legal what Isabel Duarte is doing in the court, accusing based on her feelings, without evidences? How can she say in the court that the sights have been not checked, with accuracy? She officially contacted all the polices from all the country's, where sights were reported? How far, the court allow this 3 Circus characters to go, without punishing them?
    We know, everybody has the legal right to be defended by a lawyer, BUT NOT ALL METHODES OF DEFENCE WERE ACCEPTABLE IN CIVILIZED COUNTRY'S. Isabel Duarte must keep her method and strategy, for the third world. Nevertheless the Mccann's were acting and feeding the propaganda, of a Portugal belonging to a third world, in fact the country have very polite and very educate citizens, which care and love their child's. Mccann's, YES THEY WERE PARENTS FROM A THIRD WORLD, DURING ALL THE HOLIDAYS IN PORTUGAL.

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  73. 72 Indeed, why did the McCanns block at every turn!

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  74. 70 I dont think t would have matttered - the McCanns and their pals seems to have forensically cleansed everything! Its the only explanation for no Maddie DNA in the apartment - and one of the most damning pieces of evidence against the McCanns - how can anyone not be suspicious about no Maddie DNA in the apartment! Yes I recall that McCann had to go get toothbrush! Incredible!

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  75. Anon 72 - the answer is that the McCanns didn`t let them - there were many avenues that the PJ were not allowed to follow up. As someone else has said, GM has `run the show` totally.

    To the rest of the world, it looks as though the PJ have been inept, but they were prevented from doing their job properly at nearly every turn.
    Louise

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  76. 69

    They will do anything except answer questions and demand the case is re-opened!

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  77. As a parent from a third world coutry, I wish to point out that we too believe in loving, caring for and looking after our children.
    Behaviour like that of the McCanns is only typical of a restricted circle of people in the UK.

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  78. Is it normal for a decision in a case of this nature to take so long, for the judge to reach a decision, I have no faith in the Portugese system it seem to be every bit as bad as the UK, if that's at all possible. It seems the truth in this case no longer matters, and has been that way from day one. I believe Mr Amaral's version of events with all my heart. The Maccanns are liars, but will Mr Amaral win I hope so. The Maccanns will stop at nothing to bring him dowm.

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  79. We write of the twins as tiny children. One day they will be reading all this on the web for themselves. What will happen when they begin to see the inconsistencies between what their parents have told them, and how a large number of people worldwide perceive what happened in PDL?

    At worst they will be so brainwashed that they will dismss it all, but what if there are strong independent characters developing within them, and they have inherited some of those angry genes?

    Add to that developments in forensic science - we have already seen examples of old cases re-opened and the perpetrators convicted thanks to the progress in technology.

    I wish this compelling story would go away, but I am beginning to realise that I will not see the end of it in my lifetime. For the McCann parents it is a life sentence - I hope they have the graciousness not to pass it on to their surviving children.

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  80. @ PeterMac who wrote
    "Not even going out of doors to add your own voice to the many calling the name of your own missing daughter is incomprehensible".

    The voice question is crucial. If Madeleine had been somewhere around, terrified or shocked, only her mum's or dad's voice would have prompted her.

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  81. They will certainly remain unwilling of any reopening of the case. They'll explain why : "we're innocent, we can't take the chance to be arguidos again,jeopardizing the search for Madeleine."

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  82. Sorry but I think that excuse - the McCanns didn't let them - has been used too many times. If the PJ had wanted to, there was no way they could have stopped it. The Mccanns were not running the investigation, the PJ were, to state otherwise is insulting. Portugal isn't a colony and is well aware of that fact.

    The idea there was none of Madeleine's DNA in the apartment is an old canard. The police were not looking for it at first, they were looking for stranger DNA, and later they had to get a clean uncontaminated sample from Rothley, which they did. Read the files folks, it's all there.

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  83. Didn't KM say during an interview, I do not remember the exact wording, that they shouldn't have left Madeleine alone ? so maybe the twins were not even in the apartment when whatever happened.

    Regarding the DNA, even her bed must have been stripped right out and the bedclothes changed as usually some strands of hair can be recovered from pillows and covers etc. The job of forensic teams is to look for this sort of details, to find evidence of the presence of anyone else in the room.

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  84. @54

    Is that really so? If so, how corrupt? Should we all give up here and now or should we have faith that Sr Amaral knows the system for what it is and is still prepared to fight?

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  85. Reply to 84

    There would be clean DNA of Madeleine on a hair brush comb, or toothbrush to name a few items. Why would these be contaminated. Why would these have disappeared? Why would you clean the flat to a forensic level? Did they have something to hide?

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  86. 84 There is no way that there wouldnt have been some of her DNA there - no way on this earth - unless someone cleaned.

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  87. 84 Its certainly isnt a duck.

    Seriously, you are wrong.

    The PJ have definately been influenced - why was Amaral removed except for political reasons? There was no doubt that he spoke out of turn by daring to say the UK police were not co-operating!

    The idea that someone had to go to Rothley to get DNA is utter tripe - the idea of Gerry doing it is ludicrous anyway.

    Any normal child who stayed in an apartment for a week would have left traces - and they could easily compare these with the other McCann's present. Unless, of course, someone did some damned thorough and forensic cleansing! Which is th point you missed (either by accident or design).

    So your 'old canard' is a dead one.

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  88. Madeleine McCann: A Rainbow takes the glitter of the McCann's pot of gold - excellent post by Mike Hitchen - dated Tuesday, February 16, 2010.

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  89. Jen 85 read post 2 about what Gerry MaCann says in the Panorama documentary.
    I to dont think the twins were in the apartment the night Madeleine went missing, i think her body was in there alone ,ready for removal.

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  90. #87,#88,#89, that's just one of the many odd and unbelievable details of this sad case. Can anyone believe (let alone seasoned officers of an investigative police force like the PJ) that Madeleine had no comb or hairbrush for herself and most of all noe toothbrush?! Thae comb or hairbrush, well , she could be using the twins one, but sharing the same toothbrush? With doctors for parents? NO WAY, JOSÉ!!!
    I have no idea if the McCanns ever gave an explanation for the absence of those items? Anyone heard or read about it?


    And the pillow from Rothley...how could anyone be sure that it was indeed Madeleine's own pillow? What about the pillow she slept with in Luz? The police found no trace of DNA in the bed she was said to be sleeping in by the McCanns, I just wonder if they analysed the parents bed...Kate said in an interview something in the lines of,"It's not right for someone to come and take your child out of YOUR bed"! IN which bed did Madeleine really sleep in?

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  91. If you read Chapter 3 of Goncalo`s book - The Reports Leave a Lot To Be Desired - you will see that initial procedures weren`t strict enough and the scene was contaminated. We all know it must be a delicate situation when the police arrive to find anguished parents having lost their child - the uproar of emotions and people trying to help and give support - parents wailing - how does a `beat` policeman go about following procedure and declaring it a crime scene without upsetting the parents even more? Everything was in the McCanns favour at that point - it would be easy to manipulate a GNR officer - remember the PJ hadn`t been involved at that point.

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  92. http://helpdesk.infowars.com/cgi-bin/ttx.cgi

    Hardly any mention on the above site about the McCann fraud!

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  93. 84 Amaral was convienently removed from the case the same time as the Lisbon treaty ,IMO,It was a case of "you scratch my back and i will scratch yours" from what i have read the mc`s claimed Maddie didnt have a toothbrush or a hairbrush when asked for them ,IF you have any doubts of their guilt i feel very sorry for you ,i truly do

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  94. #84,
    the problem is that it wasn't the McCanns directly who were preventing the PJ from doing their job. It all came from up-high, the superiors of Mr. Amaral, the head of the PJ, did not allow or advised against some of the steps in the investigation, which would have been quite normal and usual in similar cases. The problem was the high connections of the McCanns, the political and diplomatic pressure. As early as the following day(May 4th),someone from the british embassy, not sure if it wasn't the consul or ambassador in person, abruptly interrupted and ended the interrogation that was being made by the PJ to the McCanns. He did not allow for the interview to be finished, saying that on that moment there would be no more questioning whatsoever!
    I believe that Amaral and his men were under pressure from their superiors, who in turn were under pressure from the government, who was under pressure from the U.K.
    Portugal is not a colony, but no country is completely independant and immune to outside pressure when its rulers have skeletons in the closet...

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  95. Hi Jen (85) I heard Gerry McCann say that it was a mistake leaving Madeleine alone in the apartment, on the night she disappeared. It took me back to a photograph of the twins cots, that had no bedding on them. Yet Madeliene's bed and the spare bed had bedding on them.

    When Madeleine told her parents, on the morning of the evening she disappeared, that along with Sean she had cried, they said they weren't going to go out, but then changed their minds saying they would up their checks. I wondered if the mother of one of the Tapas group was looking after her grandchild and also the twins. Leaving Madeleine alone in the apartment.

    It always sticks in my mind that Gerry McCann said he looked at sleeping Madeleine and thought how lucky he was to be her father and didn't mention the twins.

    I mentioned this in a previous post, but someone said the twins would have been taken wrapped in their bedding and take out of the apartment when all the fuss was going on.

    I can't see that being true, because they would have had to have left the bedding in the cots for forensics to look at. Maybe that's what did happen, but if it did, I find it rather strange that Gerry McCann would say it was a mistake leaving Madeleine alone in the apartment, if the twins were also there. I'm sure he would have said leaving the children alone in the apartment.

    Its just another mystery of what happened on that night and how the McCanns lied to save their own skins.

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  96. 89. in my opinion, Gerry went back to Rothley in order to destroy eventual photos, videos that could incriminate them.
    Of course there was enough DNA in the apartment 5a, a tooth brush, hair on the pillow, on the pink blanket, on Maddie's underwear, on hair brush.

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  97. I think if the McCanns go back to the process, they will be considered innocent witnesses, and a witness is obliged to answer questions.
    A witness has no rights as an arguido has gotten.
    Of course they will show up with 6.459 sightings, from everywhere in the world, trying to oblige the PJ to take them serious.
    It is what they did before, more than 350 clues.
    But the PJ must first finish what they were not allowed to finish before.
    to start from the moment they concluded that the child was dead and there was no trace of an abduction.

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  98. It would be interesting to know at what point Gerry McCann got hold of the forensic book.

    Was it before, around the same time, or after Madeleine went missing?

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  99. I think from the word go, wheels were set in motion for the McCanns friends in high places, to help them evade justice. In my opinion this was done before the police were called, hence the delay in the police arriving.

    I feel sure that if it had been another British couple whose child had gone missing in the same circumstances as Madeleine and the police discovered they lied to them in the very beginning, they would have been arrested straight away and prosecuted for neglect.

    Like most of us on here and elsewhere, I have followed this libel case from day one and some of the things that were said by the senior members of the police, proved that they should have been arrested and prosecuted. The police have been well aware of the McCanns strange behaviour, from day one. Yet they've been allowed to move freely, flitting in and out of Portugal,when ever they felt like it. Using a plane loaned to them by Sir Phillip Green.

    They weren't even made arguidos till September, yet Robert Murat, was an arguido from May the 15th, 12 days after Madeliene. I did hear his lawyer say he had requested the status, to give him certain rights, after he was continually questioned. His computer was siezed his mother's house was searched 3 times and her garden turned over at least twice.

    The Tapas 7 were even allowed to question Robert Murat, even though they had stitched him up, along with the British journalist. Whats all that about? He had an alibi that he was at home when Madeleine went missing and the police accepted his alibi, but it didn't stop them continually questioning him.

    The McCanns say Madeleine was abducted there is no evidence of an abductor, but the police still accepted their word that she had been. They lied about the shutter, the children's sleeping habits, the view from the Tapas bar to the apartment, the checks on the children.

    They wouldn't let the twins be tested for drugs, yet months later they told the media that they felt their children were drugged. If that was the case, why did they not let them be tested for drugs?

    If this case is reopened, I presume everything that was discussed the first time, will be discussed again. I can't see how the police will be able to bring a successful prosecution against the McCanns the second time around, when they couldn't bring a successful prosecution the first time.

    Don't get me wrong, I hope the McCanns are prosecuted, because its blatently clear that they are involved with Madeleine's disappearance, whether she has been abducted or not. Its just that I can't see how the police can prosecute them.

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  100. I Agree 89, Madeleines DNA would surely have been found uncontaminated at least in the sun hat she had been wearing over many days and in the supposedly last photo taken of her.
    Children are also notorious dribblers and saliva samples would surely have been found on Madeleines pillow,sheets and blankets contamination or not.?

    Sherlock.

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  101. I don't know what or who (or even IF) will solve this case but I'm reasonably sure it won't be the McCann twins. By now, they've been so brainwashed I'd not be surprised a few years from now they will be on the same band wagon as their parents. Who could blame them?

    Such a sad case in so many ways. Victims everywhere, thanks to parents who couldn't even spell "Madeleine" correctly on their money-blog.

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  102. Anonymous no. 15

    I like your "flower bed theory" a lot.
    I have seen you put it forward on here before. However, I've not seen it on any discussion forum about the case.

    Either I've missed it, or you don't post elsewhere, which would be a shame.

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  103. 84, Yes the Mccann's were the only one to blame. They prevent the police to interview the twins at the early stage of the investigation, on the grounds that this will be very stressful for them. They do the same, when the police wanted a blood test done in the hospital to check if they were under any type of sedative. There is no logical explanation for the twins not waking up after so much noise and troubles at that night.
    At the time ( first night, next day, 2 days after) nobody suspected the Mccann's, apart the police which already had serious doubts about the story they were telling, and off-course to test or interview the twins, they need a parental permission, even the prosecutor need it. WHAT WAS AMAZING is WHY THEY DID NOT GAVE THAT PERMISSION, IF ONE OF THEIR CHILD'S WAS MISSING? I'm sure, innocent parents will stick at the police and do whatever they ask to save their child and find it. Even if the twins have to go under some physical pain with blood tests or under some pressure and stress being interviewed by polices and psychologist who are strange for them. NO EXCUSE FOR THAT ATTITUDE. THE ONLY ONE WHICH COME TO MY MIND IS, THE MCCANN'S KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPEN TO MADDIE AND DON'T WANT TO TAKE A RISK TO EXPOSE THE TWINS AT ONE SITUATION WHICH EXPERTS CAN INTERPRETE AND REACH THE TRUTH. They seem to be always ahead of the circumstances. A Dr. knows very well the steps of an investigation and what they should avoid.
    At the time, it was commented a case in USA were a toddler was found outside her house and the parents were murdered and died. She was the only one who survive from the attack. The FBI with help of a trained psychologist interviewed the toddler and from that interview came out who perpetrate the attack and the killer was caught. PJ was ready to bring the same psychologists to interview the twins, in english, at the Portuguese expenses. By refusing that, the Mccann's show their first evidence of guilt, on top of illogical statements made by all Tapas 9, and a child story book, belonging to Madeleine, where Gerry write a time line of events for that night, which should be memorized by all the friends. VERY ODD ATTITUDES COMING FROM ODD PEOPLE. THEY DAMAGE THE OPORTUNNITY TO FIND THEIR GIRL, SINCE THE BEGINNING AND HOW CAN THEY NOW COME TO LISBON HOLDING SUCH RIDICULOUS pictures ( a toddler Madeleine and an hypothetical teen Madeleine) AND ASK THE PORTUGUESE TO LOOK FOR HER BECAUSE THE CHILD STILL MISSING? Thanks to them, she still missing. FIRST BECAUSE THEY FAIL TO PROTECT HER AND TAKE CARE ABOUT THEIR CHILDS, SECOND BECAUSE THEY DO WHATEVER THEY CAN TO AVOID her to be FOUND. The only thing which became important and a must for them, WERE THE EUROS WHICH THE PORTUGUESE AT THE FIRST, DEPOSIT OR TRANSFER INTO THEIR FUND ACCOUNT, AND AFTER THE PORTUGUESE, THE REST OF THE WORLD. THIS IS WHY THEY SO SUDDENLY, LESS THEN ONE WEEK, CAME TO THE TVs TO ANNOUNCE to THE WORLD, THOUSANDS OF EUROS ACHIEVED IN A MONUMENTAL JACKPOT BASED ON THEIR CHILD TRAGEDY.
    When the Euros became a mirage, spend on Odd detectives, spin mans and VULTURES "IMAGEOPATHS", they try a new step- OPRAH AND THE DOLLARS. IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE ANYMORE TO FOOLISH THE EUROPEANS, BUT THERE IS GOOD AND EASY DOLLARS at the" BONNE COEUR" of PEOPLE FROM UNCLE SAM SOIL. (CONT)

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  104. (CONT) THEY DID NOT RESIST AT THE APPEAL OF THAT DOLLARS , and no shame can stop them anymore. The despair, the nature of the crime and the cocktail of crimes where they were submersed, leave them without choice. The same it is happen at the doors court in Lisbon when without showing a single evidence they insist in an abduction and start accusing inspector Ricardo Paiva.
    Now, the mission is accomplished. No more statements from Gerry after the last court session. No more posts of Kate on their site. AND CLEAR, AS PURE WATER, NO MORE MCCANN'S AT LISBON NEXT WEEK, JUST IN CASE THEIR PRESSURES AND THEIR WORK BEHIND SCENES DID NOT WORK THAT TIME AND DID NOT PREVENT THE BOOK TO FLY FREE ACROSS THE SHELVES OF BOOK STORES AROUND THE WORLD.

    THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES TO BLAME ABOUT ALL THE BAD THINGS WHICH HAPPEN ON THEIR LIFES, RELATED WITH MADDIE ISSUE, EVEN ABOUT MY POST.

    And It was discussed many times at Tv programmes that there was no Maddie ADN in the bed where the Mccann's said she was snatched off. And the cuddle cat... at the bed or on top of a shelf which Madeleine cannot reach to give the idea that an adult ( the abductor) left it? WITHOUT TRACES!!! And what about Kate traces on the window? Her finger print showing that the window was open from inside ( in fact the only possibility which that window can be openned- from inside).
    And what about the abductor ( the Spider man Or the Superman ) Flying on top of twin cots to reach Maddie bed and then flying trough the window to avoid leaving a footprint in the bed? Or the Mccann's want us to believe that the abductor went back to the flat at least 2 times after snatching Madeleine- One to tide up the bed and clean Maddie evidences and the next to pick-up the blanket and Gerry tennis bag, caught in GNR pictures and not find by PJ? TOO MUCH MISTERY SURROUNDING THE LIFE OF THAT COUPLE. THE ONE WHICH FASCINATED ME SINCE THE BEGINNING IS THE SUPPORT OF BRIAN KENNEDY. WHY, THAT MAN GOT INVOLVED ON THAT STORY SO EARLY? WHICH MOTIVE MOVES HIM? CANNOT BE his big heart to financially support people in need. If was that, the case, then his money will be more convenient for supporting people from the Darfur or more recently, the child's from HAITI.
    THE PIECES STILL NOT MATCHING, ON MCCANN'S JIGSAW. THERE IS ANOTHER JIGSAW, AND JUDGE GABRIELA MUST GIVE SUNLIGHT TO THAT PIECES TO SHOW UP AND SOLVE THE ENIGMA.

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  105. Re the toothbrush. If you look back (I dont know which interview statement without looking it up) McCann's speak about getting kids ready for bed getting them bathed and brushing their teeth.

    So there definitely was a 'toothbrush' before they headed out to the tapas bar that night! Where did Maddie's toothbrush go? Dont think they would have thrown it out, you wouldn't throw anything away that belonged to your missing child.

    And this is a family who held on to everything - even down to keeping soiled filthy nappies!

    For there not to have been a toothbrush for the child, or a (shared) hairbrush with dna seems most unlikely.

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  106. Remember Gerry`s police escorted trip back home to obtain Madeleine`s pillow? On the surface of things that looks ok. When you also remember that aunty Janet Kennedy was in the house prior to that, supposedly to receive Tesco online shopping ready for their homecoming.
    Now think how one little phone call to Janet could have had all the pillows in the house re-arranged.
    Failing that, realize that ONLINE shopping can be CANCELLED from ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
    So I wonder, what was Janet doing in that house?
    W.

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  107. If the police in this or any other country were called to someones residence where an unsupervised child had disappeared they would not immediately throw the family and worried neighbours out of the building into the night and declare the place a crime scene. The first thoughts would be that,especially in the absence of any signs of a break in, the child had wondered off to try to find the parents. I believe the first officers called to the scene ,given that they were confronted by people speaking a different language , telling a story that didnt make sense even at that early stage, did an excellant job.

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  108. Poor clumsy Madeleine dropped her hairbrush followed by her toothbrush down the toillet! Yeah, that's it! It was an accident, and Madeleine's fault!

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  109. How can we know for sure that the pillow brought from McCanns home really was from Madeleine. Did the DNA the twins as well?

    This story has wholes everywhere that's how the light gets in and help us re-thinking the case again and again. Since Lisbon court we have much more relevant information. Journalists are looking for DVD released when the case was closed and waiting better evidence.

    "Find the body and prove that we did": if the body went to a crematory near PDL I'll assure you that DNA can be found from ashes!!! That's the best development in science applied to the police investigation.

    A human being does not desappear... it's biologically impossible - what you cannot see with your eyes, scientists will find it with sophisticated tools, don't worry!

    They just have to check all the deaths during Spring and Summer 2007, closed crematories nearby and bring USA CSI experts this time.

    Criminals will be caught in the end. They could already be found if investigation was not interrupted so soon.

    Ladies and gentlemen please remember, a secret is not a secret anymore when there are more than two persons involved and a lot to loose.

    As soon as the police reopen the case all the persons involved will re-thinking the best way to get rid of this, they will have further advice from their lawyers, they will be called for a new re-constitution, they will be questioned over and over and, the media will follow them again, checking their entire life. That will be hell!

    A a full collaboration with the police will be desirable and much better than a heavier punishment achieved in a courthouse if strong evidences will came forward and brought to justice. They will hear from Smiths, the Gaspars again...the Priest ... Who wants to get back to Summer of 2007? They all have careers, kids and an image to protect too. So, how is this gone be?


    Best regards, wish you luck.

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  110. ""It's that at the time of the events, only a few days later, we tried to speak with the twins, and what this couple told us, was that they didn't express themselves well, despite being two years old; that they couldn't speak very well and so on. As a matter of fact it seems that, two years later, they're doing better; they're now four years old, so it's normal. But at the time, they would know something or they might know. And that's it, we didn't force it, because these were two children.""
    http://www.mccannfiles.com/id235.html

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  111. 107 I think the McCanns and their pals were probably impossible to control - clearly they were behaving oddly and I agree, the first thoughts would be that the child had wandered off - which is why it is so odd that Kate McCann is so sure she didnt. I'd have thought that a child who had asked only that morning where they were 'last night' and who was prone to waking in the night (star chart training)would be a prime candidate for going to find them!

    Even as I say that, it amazes me that anyopne believes Kate McCanns claim of certainty - it beggars belief. Also, why cant she tell us how she is so sure instead of telling anyone who challenges her that she knows things they dont!

    There is no doubt in my mind at all that Kate McCann does not know for certain that the child was abducted. Im 99% sure that Gerry was the one who carried Madeleine away - the Wilkins meeting, the Tanner sighting, the failure of Wilkins to see Tanner, the flower bed...all are highly indicative.

    The McCanns are lying and in my view it is the degree not the fact that is in question.

    I believe without a doubt that the fund, being based on the assertion of abduction without any supporting evidence, should be frozen immediately and the McCanns litigations frozen too.

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  112. "So much so, they're going through the ordeal of a court case in Lisbon to try to stop any more scurrilous and money-spinning books being written.

    If the police hadn't closed their minds to any other possibility other than this little girl was dead, she may very well have been found safe and well by now.

    We will never know.

    Can you imagine what that's like for her tortured mum and dad?

    They've endured almost three years of living in a nightmare with no sign of ever waking up."

    Lorraine Kelly -Sunday Post
    14 February 2010


    HAVE THAT LADY, FOR A MINUTE, OPEN HER BRAIN TO THINK? THE CASE MUST BE ONLY ABOUT MADELEINE, NOT HER MUM OR DAD. EVEN IN A MOST UNPROBABLY AND HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION OF MADDIE ALIVE, SHE...THE CHILD IT WAS THE ONLY ONE WHICH REALLY WENT TROUGH A TRAGEDY AND A NIGHTMARE.
    SPEAKING ABOUT RIDICULOUS MONEY AND OTHER RIDICULOUS THINGS. WHO EARNED THE MOST INFAME AMOUNT OF MONEY WITHOUT SPENDING A SECOND OF THEIR TIME TO LOOK FOR THEIR OWN CHILD OR WRITE A SENTENCE ABOUT HER?- Her parents!!!

    HOW THAT LADY CAN SPREAD IN A NEWSPAPER, A SPIN COMING FROM MCCANN'S LAWYER WITHOUT CHECKING IT AT THE PORTIMAO PJ, OR AT THE HEAD OF PJ IN LISBON? AGAIN, BRITISH NEWSPAPER MAKING THE SAME MISTAKES AND FEEDING A XENOPHOBE POSITION AGAINST PORTUGAL. WHAT PROFITE THEY GOT? AT LEAST, THAT LADY, HOW MUCH MONEY FROM MADELEINE'S FUND RUN INSIDE HER HANDS? AND is SHE TALKING ABOUT MONEY COMING FROM A BOOK... A SHAME.... POSTING IN BLOGS OR INTERNET IS NOT THE SAME THAT POSTING AT THE NEWSPAPER. SHE MUST ACT WITH SOME RESPONSABILITY.

    THE MCCANN'S AND THEIR MEDIA MACHINE, MANIPULATED THE INVESTIGATION DONE BY THE POLICE. NOW, THEY ARE USING THE SAME STRATEGY TO MANIPULATE THE JUDGE AND THE COURT IN PORTUGAL. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY ARE INNOCENT PARENTS WHICH COMMITED A MISTAKE BY LEAVING THEIR CHILDS ALONE, AT NIGHT IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY...YAH? AND, AND, THEY COMMITED THAT MISTAKE FOR 5 NIGHTS IN A ROW. Wash your brain Mrs Lorraine. Madeleine deserves it.

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  113. Karin from Denmark,

    Joana, Astro, how is carnival going in Portugal?
    No carnival here in my town.

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  114. Lorraine Kelly has to wait till Halligen pays the McCanns back, in order to receive her money for writing this article.
    You will wait for years and years, Lorraine.
    Besides the McCanns don't like to pay people around.
    They like money too much.

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  115. @ 106 I don't understand.. I was under the impression Gerry's trip to get Maddie's pillow was quite sometime afterwards.. days, maybe weeks? How was Tesco online shopping ready for their homecoming?.. Where did you hear the aunt was there to receive the shopping? Never heard of that one before..

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  116. Lorriaine Kelly is an overpaid Idiot and always has been, you are unable to understand her when she opens her stupid mouth. Dreadful woman, but in all honesty can we ever see this case reopened its gone on too long can we see all the tapas group going back to Portugal, they will fight like cats to avoid it. We all want this but will it happen. This case would have died in 2008, its Mr Amaral who has kept it alive (wonderful Man ) and you all who make this blog possible. Will the Portugese justice and the UK justice still be interested in a missing 3 year old and her mentally unstable parents. The UK soon forgot Ben Needham what happened to him was never discovered. Looks like the Maccanns will get away with this. When thay are sure of it we will never hear or see them again.

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  117. Lorraine Kelly what a stupid Mccann loveing pratt(i cant believe how i used to like this women????) she is always there putting her rubbish in the papers like her mate Fiona Phillips(all work for GERRY MCCANN TV, sorry gmtv!!) they all are built from the same mould they all spout the same rubbish i really hope justice will be done one day and all this pro Mccanns will hang there heads in shame, then again when i think about it Phillips left gmtv as did her partner, Richard and Judy are out of work Fern Britton now out of this morning programme(these were all great supporters of the Mccanns) lets hope karma comes around and get the main two very soon

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  118. Am I the only one who would place bets on it that if the blood and cadaver dogs had alerted to Murat's house, car, and possessions, in the same way as they did to the McCanns, he would have been charged with the death and disappearance of Madeleine straight away.

    And he would have been convicted.

    So why weren't the McCanns?

    Why were they given a pass and allowed to leave the country?

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  119. Lorraine Kelly?

    http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/hellraiser/82/lorraine_kelly.jpg

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  120. I wonder if Lorraine Kelly's article is that bad.
    After all she is commenting Madeleine's death, saying the Portuguese police believe in it.
    She is not endorsing the police words but she is refering to a dead child.
    This could be the way she found to talk about it without being sued.

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  121. Kelly seems to forget that the McCanns have shut their minds to anything except abduction.

    She seems to forget that there is no evidence to follow up of an abductor, but lots of evidence of alternatives.

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  122. 110 The McCanns failed to communicate with Madeleine let alone the twins!

    The crazy story of their response when she asked why they didnt come when the children cried - she 'just forgot about it'!

    Weirdos.

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  123. Fiona Phillips Lorraine Kelly, two old hags of UK TV move over Darlings we have new kids on the block now. you two are past it

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  124. http://www.thesundaypost.co.uk/postindex.htm

    Stupid woman - doesnt she realise that the 'leads' were time wasting and distraction?

    Why doesnt she demand the case is opened and the night of May 3rd investigated - Gerald McCann has been identified by the Smith's - and I suspect it was he who was seen by Tanner!

    The oddity of the Wilkins and McCann conversation and their failure to see Tanner - I agree with others here that this was changed to put McCann and abductor into the same 'scene'.

    I wish these stupid journalists could see what they are doing - supporting criminals and not the child who was their victim.

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  125. http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message989567/pg1

    and Blacksmithbureau has a new topic

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  126. mail@sundaypost.com

    Why not share with the Sunday Post what your view of Lorraine Kelly's article?

    Here is mine...

    'I’d Like to register a complain regarding the bias displayed in support of the McCann parents in last Sunday’s article by Lorraine.

    I suggest that she be asked to read the case files and to think twice before she dismisses the book by the ex-Detective as a ‘money spinner’, he surely knows a great deal more about the case than Lorraine does.

    I have followed the case since May 4th, as I was immediately suspicious of the family. In the recent case, brought by the McCann’s to protect their reputations and to generate more revenue for their ‘search’ it was revealed that a well respected UK Criminal profiler agreed!

    There are aspects of the case, such as Gerald McCann not seeing Jane Tanner when she claims she saw the ‘abductor’ yet she claims she saw him, the positioning of McCann when he was in conversation with the producer Wilkins and the time dedicated to this ‘irrelevant’ issue on the McCann’s ‘documentary’.

    Lorraine claims that the McCann’s ‘made a mistake’ but fails to mention that they made the same ‘mistake’ every night but on! She also fails to mention that these ‘professionals’ are supposed to set positive examples to the ordinary folk – yet they continue to claim that what they did was in the ‘bounds of responsible parenting’.

    I could go on!

    Please can you communicate to Lorraine that in this case she really ought to look a little deeper before supporting these parents and presenting them as victims. There are indeed two primary victims in this case (notwithstanding the many people who were fooled into giving money to a fund which has been used to defend the McCann’s and even pay their household bills!) but they aren’t the parents. One is Madeleine McCann and the other is the truth!

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  127. '"So much so, they're going through the ordeal of a court case in Lisbon to try to stop any more scurrilous and money-spinning books being written.

    Lorraine Kelly -Sunday Post
    14 February 2010'

    As all the Portuguese police records are now in the public domain, and most witnesses are wiling to speak further (apart from the parents and their friends who have demonstrated a marked unwillingness to take part in reconstructions of what happened) we might expect just that. Money-spinning books (or a book) to be written.

    It is hard to think that no-one is writing a definitive version from available evidence of the Madeleine story.

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  128. Imagine what its going to be like when the McCann's get the book banned on Thursday!

    What is the plan...how do we ensure that the book spreads across the internet in response?

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  129. Scottish Establishment Paedophile Ring Exposure

    http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/31956

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  130. David Icke is a nutter or a con-man.

    However, one thing that struck me as odd, his web site has no mention of the McCanns.

    Interesting.

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  131. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2010/02/12/revealed-portuguese-police-have-ignored-possible-sightings-of-missing-madeleine-mccann-86908-22037521/

    It goes on and on!

    When will the media stop sucking up to these child abusers?

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  132. @15 and @104

    I also find the "flower bed" theory quite convincing. I can't help thinking that Jane Tanner was initially posted nearby as a look-out to make sure that the coast was clear so to speak - perhaps ready to send a warning with a mobile phone, then maybe she thought that she would be "helpful" with her so-called sighting, but in fact she saw nothing, not an abductor anyway, as she probably was in on it.

    Anything seems to be possible with that lot...

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  133. http://www.libelreform.org/sign

    Libel reform Campaign

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  134. some ought to tell lorraine kelly that the mccanns are in lisbon for MONEY AND TO STOP THE TRUTH GETTING OUT. nothing more nothing less,LORRAINE KELLY IS ONE STUPID PERSON AND BRAINDEAD AS THEY COME

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  135. Concerned citizen

    They are guilty

    We know it - the PJ know it - the press know it

    Why can't they be put in the dock ?

    Who is behind them ? Opus Dei perchance ?

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  136. hey lorrainne, have you bought one of the tacky wristbands yet and were you at the big party your friends the mccanns held to get more money in thier bank account,theres none so blind as those that cant see

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  137. http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/2010/02/hollie-greig.html

    this makes chilling reading

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  138. Well lets hope the fund paid searchers are on the job looking at all the leads and sightings that all the cops have missed. Lets hope the British press can get a new word of the day. This week it is scurrilous. Well at least it's not ludicrous.

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  139. Anon @29. Perhaps Mrs M has told her what she knows.

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  140. The "Why didn't you come when we cried" story was nothing more than the typical McCann attempt at prempting what they knew was on file. There had to be a way to deflect the truth about Mrs. Fenn's report and in typical fashion team McCann messed around with the dates and the reasons. It's BS. The crying WAS heard and the FACT is nobody knows if one or the other parent was present when whatever CAUSED the crying took place. Good luck, Kate. We don't believe a word you say and we know that your motives have NOTHING to do with the welfare of the lovely child God gave you and tasked you with her safety. You lost your chance to be believed about ANYTHING when you refused to answer the police questions and refused to return for the requested reconstruction. You had a chance and are seen as you earned the right to be seen. A lying manipulator who did not love her daughter enough to properly bury her, who set up a fraudulent fund to ensure your own financial future rather than to find a child you knew was not findable. Posing on the cover of People Magazine when you should have been searching under every rock in Portugal and answering every question asked you - you earned our disdain and you will never be able to change your image, no matter how many times you highlight your hair.

    A mother is supposed to *FORGET HERSELF* and focus on her children and you have never done that, have you Kate?. You on the cover of People? Horrific. An image of a true mother grieving, with hair unwashed, unbrushed, no make-up, crying? Beautiful in it's tragic intensity.

    You are simply an ugly liar.

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  141. Mrs. Lorraine, Since Gerry and Kate said last week, they are not traveling to Lisbon next 18( we can imagine why) did you put under consideration to write an article, an open letter endorsed to them, asking them to do something to really find their daughter, which they believe is alive, not harmed and in good care?
    NOW, THEY KNOW THE PICTURES HANGED BY PJ, ALL THE SIGHTS AND THE WITNESSES TESTEMONIES. I THINK THEIR SENSACIONALIST LAWYER PASS THEM ALL THE INFORMATION- Then, THEY MUST START A TRIP AROUND ALL THE COUNTRYS, ALL THE TOWNS REPORTED BY THEIR LAWYER. SHE SAID AT THE DOORS COURT, DIRECT TO HE WORLD, THAT SOME PICTURES WERE SHOCKED AND LOOK TOO MUCH LIKE MADELEINE. WONDER... IF SHE WAS MY CHILD, I WILL TAKE THE FIRST PLANE TO FLY TO ITALY, SPAIN, ETC, BEFORE COMING BACK TO UK, TO CHECK ALL THAT SIGHTS AND PUT THE POLICE OF THAT CONTRYS IN CONNECTION WITH BRITISH POLICE, DOING EVERYTHING TO FIND MY DAUGHTER.
    ALMOST ONE WEEK PASSED. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE? Nothing, absolutely nothing. THEY LOVE TO BE AT THE SPOTLIGHT OF THE MEDIA AND THEIR STORIES SALE PAPERS WELL. I'M SURE IF THEY TRAVELLED INSIDE ONE OF THIS COUNTRYS TO CHECK THAT ISSUE, THE WORLD WILL KNOW IT BY NOW, TROUGH THEMSELVES AND THEIR CELEBRITY ADITION AND TROUGH THE EYES OF SOME JOURNALISTS, WHICH SUPPORT THEM LIKE YOU.
    IF NOTHING HAPPEN which conclusion should we take?

    - Police reach the truth, Maddie is dead and there is no way to be her on that sights. No reason to check them.

    - The Lawyer was desperate under pressure and lost her mind.In front of so many journalists and after a disastrous trial for her side, she decide to trow some sands at the Media and lie about the sights not been checked. At the end, she can always run out of the situation saying that she was not well informed.

    - The Fund was not so health. Too much money spend in VIP lawyers, SPIN mans, BUILDING IMAGE COMPANIES, journalists and PRO-newspaper Editors, leave them without money to look for their daughter.

    CHOOSE ONE..... AT THE END, IT IS ALL ABOUT GERRY AND KATE. MADELEINE AND THE TWINS ARE OBJECTS, DECORATIONS TO HANG ON THEIR CRISTHMAS TREE LIFE, ACCORDING WITH THEIR OWN AGENDA AND THEIR CONVENIENCIES.

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  142. # 133 Forget about David Icke. It's the message not the messenger..

    This link will be more to your liking

    http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/the-shocking-story-of-holly-grieg/

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  143. Everton is playing against Sporting. No signs of Madeleine T-shirts or placards at Everton supporters side. IS this a strategy to avoid their last BENFICA karma, or they stop believing on Mccann's Fairy tale?

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  144. 118. @ 106 I don't understand.. I was under the impression Gerry's trip to get Maddie's pillow was quite sometime afterwards.. days, maybe weeks? How was Tesco online shopping ready for their homecoming?.. Where did you hear the aunt was there to receive the shopping? Never heard of that one before..

    I can`t remember exactly but I believe Kate said in a very early interview that she had Janet go in to sort out the shopping, since they weren`t going back on the original Saturday at the end of their one week`s holiday.
    Hence I know at least Janet was in the house whilst they were away.
    Hopefully there will be someone on here who can back up what I say.
    W.

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  145. IMO David Icke is well worth listening to about certain topics - at one time he was considered a nutter and I thought so myself, but maybe I`m catching up with him. He has a massive following. There is quite a lot about the McCanns on the forums on his website - I don`t think he has ever commented himself but I may be wrong.
    Louise

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  146. 73 -If you read JT's statement carefully, she DOES confirm that she feared shee would be abducted by the Spanish Police. I'm sure even a Leicester plod in Portugal would realise he WAS in Portugal and not in Spain. My point was that it was no mistake.Was he referring to a real possibility ;the pretendy Metodo 3.Was she being threatened for some reason?

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  147. Post 146. They've stopped believing because people sent the Chairman some Tony Bennett booklets.

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  148. It is more likely that Jane Tanner was being intimidated by British Intelligence/Special Branch than by Metodo 3.

    It wouldn't be the first time a British citizen was threatened by their own government. Just ask Jim Gamble about what happened more than once in Northern Ireland, or ask the people screaming for answers about Dr. David Kelly's alleged "suicide".

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  149. I have just emaillled the Sunday Post about Miss up her ass Kelly
    Is Lorriane Kelly aware than in her stomach churning,over the top adoration of Kate and Gerry Mc Cann she is letting down Maddie ?Has she even bothered reading the case files?Does she know that Kate refused to answer over 40 questions asked of her ,refused to go back to do a reconstruction? filled 5a with over 30 people when they both knew full well the importance of preserving a "crime scene" ,opened a fund to pay the mortgage ? and sues everyone who try to HELP Maddie?,Lorriane you are going to look very silly when ,and believe me it will,the REAL truth comes out about what happened to this poor child you are not helping ,How you sleep at night is beyond me,Im proud to say
    From a true Mother

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  150. 133:
    I would've thought, if anything, this case demonstrated the importance of finding things out for oneself, rather than dismissing people because of, say, superficial appearance (or that presented to us by the media) e.g. 'weirdo' Murat or "disgraced"/"dodgy" copper Amaral or "bungling" police. Right now, especially - if you find out what's happening to Robert Green, it might give you some clues as to why there has been this bizarre wall of silence with no-one willing to stick their neck out even when they can be sure there's something funny going on. On another site, someone who didn't know all about this stuff we discuss referred to a much darker reason for the silence, so I think we need to be looking at what is true and not what is plausible.

    It might be time to look at it while people can still walk down the street with the intention of giving out leaflets, without being arrested for 'breach of the peace' and held for four days, seemingly not given legal representation, and being subjected to a gagging order. Although, it appears to be a little too late...

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  151. It has got so bad with the media now, and their inability for whatever reasons to publish the truth, that handing out leaflets to people will be one of the few recourses left to try and alert the public.

    The powers that be sure have got their sights on silencing the internet as well, so that may not be with us much longer.

    How the McCanns would crow at that one. All courtesy of their pro EU pals who have already got us fixed up with a dictatorship in the form of a pretend democracy which we have had no say in.

    Perhaps the McCanns will end up as unelected Commissioners issuing rules to the rest of us.

    Right up Gerry McCanns street. He would be perfect for the job.

    And, of course, nobody would dare say Madeleine was not abducted, on pain of being banged up, if not worse.

    Am not joking either, our freedom of speech is being whittled away while we sleep.

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  152. Carter-Ruck at it again. but Newsnight last night not put off reporting on GT 200- a hoax bomb detecting device - used in Iraq and other countries. Manufacturer made a fortune.Tried to get CR to prevent broadcasting. British Govt. will be embarrassed as they didn't spot it was a dud.

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  153. Annon 154

    You can read all about the Robert Green case in todays scottish Press and Journal......read it before it is pulled

    lindi

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  154. Thanks, lindi. I'm surprised to see that, after what's happened. It's scary to say - and still hard to believe - but it's things like that that make the difference whether he 'disappears' or not.

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  155. @ 136
    Thank you Ironside for the link to the LIBEL REFORM PETITION. Duly signed and now being passed on to colleagues.

    This is a really productive petition with many very respectable supporters from the media, including journalists who clearly are suffering from being unable to speak out. This shows me that the UK press, rather than lacking round things, has actually been 'prevented' from speaking out. As we suspected, but more evident now.

    Thank you Joanna, all posters, translators and all others for your persistance to find justice, and the best of luck to Gonzalo Amaral tomorrow (the voice of courage) knowing that the search for justice will continue, even if the case goes against him, until it is found.

    Blessings little Maddie, wherever you are.
    Faith

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