19 January 2013

Trial that opposes McCanns and Gonçalo Amaral is suspended



Decision related to negotiation attempt

The trial that opposes the McCann couple and Gonçalo Amaral, in which Madeleine’s parents demand a compensation of 1.2 million euro over alleged defamation by the former PJ inspector, has been suspended due to an attempt to reach an extrajudicial agreement.

A judicial source has told Lusa agency that the start of the trial, which was planned for the 24th and the 25th of this month at the 1st circuit of the Civil Court of Lisbon, “has been suspended because the parties are trying to reach an agreement”.

The judge’s order granting the suspension was signed at the end of last week, which means that now a six-month term runs its course, after which, if there is no agreement between Gonçalo Amaral and the parents of the child that went missing in 2007, in the Algarve, an audience will be scheduled.

The start of this trial has been postponed twice, the first one on the 9th of February of 2012.

The judge then scheduled the start of the trial at the Palace of Justice for the 13th of September of the same year, with another three sessions on the agenda, but none took place due to Gonçalo Amaral’s lawyer’s unavailability, as he was submitted to a stomach exam under anesthesia.

Under this action, which prompted the request for the seizure of Gonçalo Amaral’s assets under an injuction, Kate and Gerry McCann further claim for the protection of rights, liberties and guarantees.

Under a connected process, the 7th circuit of the Civil Court of Lisbon decided, in January 2010, to uphold the prohibition to sell the book “Maddie – The Truth of The Lie”, by Gonçalo Amaral, and the vídeo with the same title, based on a documentar that was exhibited by TVI.

The prohibition of the book and the video, which presents Gonçalo Amaral’s theory of the involvement of Kate and Gerry McCann on their daughter’s disappearance by hiding the cadaver, had been provisionally ordered on the 9th of September of 2009.

On the 19th of October of 2010, the Appeals Court of Lisbon annulled the Civil Court’s decision, after which the McCann couple appealed to the Supreme Court of Justice (SCJ).

In a decision dated March 18, 2011, the SCJ confirmed the Appeals Court’s decision.

Madeleine McCann disappeared on the 3rd of May of 2007, in an apartment at a tourist resort in Praia da Luz, where whe was on vacation with her parents and two twin siblings.

At the time of the disappearance, Gonçalo Amaral was the coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department of Portimão’s Judiciary Police.

Kate and Gerry McCann, who have always stated that the child was abducted, were made arguidos in September 2007.

The process was archived due to a lack of evidence, in July 2008, although the Public Ministry admits reopening if new data about the disappearance of Madeleine emerges.

in: TVI, 18.01.2013

84 comments:

  1. What is behind this decision and who is interested on suspending it?
    If an agreement happens, the media in England will say "
    Amaral gave up his lies".
    If an agreement happens, I hope Amaral will get a lot of money from the McCanns. They are fearing more evidence, I believe, and the public will hear a lot more than we heard before.

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  2. does this mean that Mr Amaral was telling the TRUTH and that the mccanns LIED,and thats why the mccanns caved in.Bravo Mr Amaral take this lying pair to the cleaners and all thoes others that defamed you.
    justice for Madeleine is not far away now.

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  3. Oh boy is this good news. No more pointless appeals, their lawyer TOLD them they could not win this frivolous lawsuit months ago but they've been in denial. Wish it were less than six months, but still terrific news.

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  4. This is a blow for Amaral. No deals should be made if Amaral wants absolution and justice. If justice is to be served than it must go to court. If any deals are done than it will be forgotten in the annals of history. Only a court case can go some way in exposing the truth. I hope Amaral is not blinded by money and financial deals and continues the battle. It's obvious that the McCann team are trying to engineer this so the concealment and smoke screen rests firmly in place. This is a great chance for Amaral - he can't back down now. He must have his day in court.

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    1. We don't really know the ins and outs of what has led to this result. It would seem on the surface that the McCanns are running scared. If they were entirely confident, would they be doing deals? Their past language in reference to Sr Goncalo Amaral was not indicative of persons who would ever be prepared to deal or show mercy towards Goncalo Amaral, so filled with hatred are they for this man who sought only to discover what became of their missing daughter.

      In 'Madeleine' and other material, Kate McCann voices her hatred of not only Goncalo Amaral her unhealthy and crazed thoughts her deep desire for harm to come his way, but she speaks ill of others too, police officer and members of the public who only wished to assist them and offered them help. Not normal behaviour, not by any stretch of the imaginiation. And NOT the stuff deals are made of, unless of course she/they have so much to lose, something so damaging to them that they are prepared to 'play nicely' to some degree.

      If this is a U-turn by the MCann couple, then it would seem that the hand Sr Amaral has always held cannot be beaten. Not a chance in hell that if they thought they would win would they enter into any deal, such is their all consuming loathing and hatred for him.

      So what changed? Did Sr Amaral hold his hand so close to his chest that they did not know before now its full strength?

      Possible but not very likely, so cock-sure they have always been of winning this case.. More probably something "new" has been thrown into the mix, something which has happened /come to light in more recent times, something they, or use of the Fund monies cannot control, causing them to re-think their position/advised to, hence the change of direction - fast forward to damage limitation mode!.

      Sr Amaral I believe has no assets, not wealthy financiallly. The McCann couple cannot get blood from a stone. The only purpose for this legal action is to then take away what Sr Amaral does have - the truth! It is this they want, to take it and bury it! Money of course is their master, but they know there is none to be had here - silencing the man is their goal.

      I agree the Court is where justice and truth should be sought for Sr Amaeal and Madeleine and like you I would like for exposure of McCann couple to take place in a Court of Law. After-all, at the heart of this there is a missing child, one who seems to have been forgotten in more ways than one, her parents spending more time, and money on ridiculous legal actions. There is also the reputation of Sr Amaral to be considered

      Was not this case being fought in the name of Madeleine, Sean and Amelie yet they are happy now to 'deal.'

      That about sums them up.

      For McCanns so filled with hatred to agree to any kind of deal, or enter into any legal discussion in this regard, to me at least indicates they have something to lose if they don't, and something to gain if they do. Remember these are the parents who refused to assist police in the investigation re their mssing daughter. The parents who agreed that their friends should not help police with a reconstruction. These people do not do anything unless it in some way is helpful to their cause. The cause I speak of, their self protection - not finding Madeleine.

      Selfless not a word that comes to mind when thinking McCann!

      Sr Amaral is not a fool he "knows" McCann their tricks - I am sure he will do what is in the best interests of Madeleine and what is also in his best interest - he must not, as you say, allow them to engineer matters.

      Not kowing however the reason for this deal, naturally makes it difficult to speculate further. Perhaps the McCann couple will do the decent thing and report on their site the reason behind their now wishing to deal, would only be fair to their supporters, who must be reeling at this latest news from Camp McCann- their whipping of Sr Amaral at the libel trial not now going to happen....oopsy!

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  5. If the mccanns have caved in then surely they cant dictate to Mr Amaral,so perhapes Mr Amaral wants six months to work out what the mccanns need to pay him in compensation ,and to be truthfull the mccanns own him more than 1 million for all the stress they have put him and his family through.go get em Gongola

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  6. our uk media do not seem to be in the least interested..i wonder why

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  7. Justice works in silence.

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  8. I so hope that Sr Amaral will continue to stand firm and won't allow the McCanns to emerge from this with any credibility. How dreadful it would be if he was to give in to them now, as it would be absoluely certain they would spin the story so that it looked as though he was admitting he was wrong. After everything he has risked and lost for the sake of justice for Maddie this would be an absolute travesty. Is his defence fund still in existence?

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  9. I suspect that there is a leak from the PJ to the McCanns'lawyers.
    Warning them about evidence. Kate and Gerry have to solve this question as fast and as cheap as they can.
    The lawyers have to prepare the parents defense, hours and hours, very expensive. Who knows Alves and Isabel gave up their belief that it was an abduction (if they ever believed it), they must feel that the PJ and the Yard are very far, the only thing to help the parents will be preparing their defense against the police and the public prosecuter's allegations in the near future, in order to convict them for a very few years,

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  10. WHICH IDEA WAS THIS? THAT IS THE QUESTION!

    (1) If this was the initiative of Amaral's party that could mean he has caved in - which is unlikely.

    (2) If this was the initiative of the McCanns' party that could mean they have caved in - which is more likely.

    (3) A third hypothesis was - given the media glare on Portugal... the initiative was from the court itself which in symbolic logic suggests:

    "Let's see if you two can reach an agreement (either way it won't matter) and save us from the embarrassment of having to decide one way or the other. Then we would be seen as having done our job properly (cough)."

    If the second hypothesis is correct, then the decision of Kate McCann to write her semi-fictional best-selling "Madeleine", starts to make sense.

    After the injunction on the book was lifted, she knew they were heading to big-time pay-out which could well mean bankruptcy. They desperately needed money to meet their forthcoming legal dues without having to sell their Rothley home, which, ironically, was just what they were trying to steal from the Amarals' family.

    NOW...

    What would one do in Amaral's position? Accept a million or two and be gagged and bound be the kind of constraints the McCanns' imposed on Tony Bennett OR accept nothing out of court and let the court decide?

    For a man of honour this is not a difficult decision...

    Amaral has lost everything. He has lost his job, his reputation, his home, his family, even his weight! what else has he got to loose? His place at the National Pantheon of a country which abandoned him in the first place?

    If I were Amaral I would go for broke. Accept no deal from these VIP nothings. Let the courts decide. Let your demands be heard! Teach these children neglecters a lesson!

    And the lesson is:

    If you cannot afford to be honest then always do your dirty washing in private. Avoid public dry-cleaning facilities. Above all do not use the police or another country justice system as scapegoats for your crimes!

    NB The above opinions were expressed under the Constitution of the Portuguese Republic, Article 37 and the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights, Article 19.

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    1. The McCann couple gagged Sr Amaral briefly for a period in the past. I doubt he will ever allow that to happen again. Not enough money in the world or the Madeleine Fund would make him, I am sure agree a deal which would result in him being silenced. It is one thing for a Court to order that one be silenced in whatever way, be it a ban on a book...quite another for an individual to agree to a silence to be silent in the case of a missing child. On such important issues also as freedom of speech, justice for both him and for a little girl forgotten by those who spend their time supporting the neglect and all else of her parents little chance I would say of any deal being reached with regards a 'silence.'. A little girl cast aside on that holiday, spending nights on end alone and afraid, cast aside since, whilst her parents spend the Search Fund on everything but searching, using it as a Fighting Fund in an attempt to paint themselves whiter than white. Something which cannot possibley be accomplished no matter how much money they throw at it!

      Sr Amaral has fought too hard against the wrongs of this case, the wrongdoings of the McCanns, and for the rights of this missing child, and others in similar circumstances, for it all to be ditched in any kind of deal with persons who cannot and have not hidden their hatred for him, for persons who have caused him and his family, his children so much harm simply because his job was to find the truth of what happened to missing Madeleine, for finding it!

      The very devout R.C. that we are supposed to believe Kate McCann to be quite simply does not practice as she clearly demonstrates by her actions, the teachings of her chosen faith!

      To deal with McCann is to deal with the devil! But of course we don't as yet know what sort of deal, what aspects it will take acount of.

      What I am pretty certain of though is that it is McCann, this mercenary couple who want to deal, as not in a month of Sundays would they give tuppence to do anything which would help Sr Amaral. If they thought for a moment they had him on the ropes, they would move in for the kill...but they haven't!

      And that must have their supporters, some more mercenary than the McCanns themselves, blowing gaskets in their little closed forums up and down the internet!

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  11. Maddie, your parents and the police that was after you are reaching an agreement about you. Yes your parents, can you believe it?

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  12. Is it, as Gerry would say, "We're finished"

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  13. Sunday Express front page says Maddie in Brazil ! Yet nothing about the libel case. So predictable.
    Louisee

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  14. I do not understand how this can be good for Mr Amaral, the McCann pair are not finished they will ride this and any other storm that is to come. I still am not convinced by all this get them in court and finish them for good. By the way there is another sighting in Brazil of Madeleine in today's Sunday Express. Who said the McCann's are finished.

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    1. Agree a Court of Law is the best place to deal with persons such as this, an Out of Court Settlement is not the way to go, but then we do not know if this will in fact happen. I do not underestimate Sr Amaral, he is wise to the antics of McCann as are the rest of the world, that is, those who want only to determine what became of Madeleine and discover her whereabouts, the perpetrators of the crimes committed against her. There are of course those who are NOT taken in by the fairytales told by the holidaying party/parents, but who ALLOW themselves to be. Those who accept the cruelty towards these children as having been a responsible act. Those who accept what was Madeleine's nighmare resulting in her demise was the best time ever in the child's life are beyond comprehension. This child night after night sought her parents to tell them one or other of her siblings were crying. She either was met with discovering her parents were not in their bedroom, not even in the apartment, or, when in their bedroom, too tired to be bothered to tend to the kids after their night out with their mates. Gerry McCann himself said that when he saw the bedroom door open he just thought Madeleine had GONE THROUGH TO THEIR ROOM DUE TO THE NOISE PRODUCED BY HER SIBLINGS! Now fancy that!

      Unless these twin babies snored as loudly as hogss or were up partying in their cots, I think we can safely say he is referring to the twins crying. But didn't the McCanns say it was not possible that their children woke and cried in their absence? A ridiculous statement in itself as if absent how would they know? (and of course this is contradictory too as Madeleine told them they said she was and sibling were crying in their absence. This is what happens when they lie, they forget the previous lie) But more to the point. Gerry McCann's statement shows that it was not uncommon for Madeleine to be out of bed and through at her parents room to alert them to the NOISE PRODUCED BY HER SIBLINGS!

      Oh what a wicked web this couple have weaved. Whatever happened to the childen who didn't wake?

      If this was the best time of this child's life then one can only feel so terribly sad for her.

      If people are not prepared to look after properly their children, they should not have any.

      As to McCann riding this or any future storm? I think as long as they have the continued financial and other backing from those who believe or choose to believe for whatever reason, the farce that is their tale of abduction - they will I agree do whatever they consider necessary to protect themselves.

      The fact that they are considering - if the reports are true - some sort of deal with Sr Amaral demonstrates that they are prepared to put aside justice for Madeleine, that as ever they come first. If they thought they would win outright - they would not be giving this consideration. And short of them conceding that they are wrong in villifying Sr Amaral, (which they will not do) this to me would be a deal breaker, I cannot imagine Sr Amaral accepting anything less.

      Time though will tell, but whatever they are up to, it is not to help Goncalo Amaral in any way shape or form. But then he knows that!

      Their supporters must be in a bit of a quandery today doesn't look like the monster which the McCanns have made Sr Amaral out to be, will be slain any time soon - celebrations cancelled then!

      Down to Clarence now, will he offer them some humble pie by way of apology and consolation or will he stick to the usual helping of tripe?

      And a sighting in Brazil? How lovely. Has Madeleine ever been spotted in cold climes? And I take it if it is the Sunday Express then our friend Murray is up to his usual mischief? What a sad bunch!

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  15. Two weeks ago Madeleine was sighted in Queenstown, NZ now in Brazil, the spin to try bury the above news is laughable. Madeleine is dead since 2007, the rest is just media circus and propaganda.

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  16. 'Maddie kidnap photo shock' - exclusive by James Murray

    Scotland Yard has new picture that seems to show Madeleine in Brazil

    Detectives have been given a photo which appears to show Madeleine McCann with an abductor. The Sunday Express was passed the picture independently but Scotland Yard appealed to us not to publish it while it continues sensitive global investigations into the missing girl.

    Officers were happy for us to describe the potentially (yeah as if...) key evidence which shows a healthy fair-haired girl aged three or four (ridiculous) in pink trousers, a green top and a blue hat.

    The child is walking along a road, possibly near a port or airport as (turn to page 5)....

    FFS! It doesn't get more absurd than this! And the independent source is ? Who's in Brazil right now? No prizes for guessing. Two hints, he says he is psychic and he is definitely a nutter.

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    1. Well Kate McCann did say that the news of the hundreds of leads which she claims the Met discovered which have still to be investigated she found to be encouraging and impressive. Such good news didn't have her boarding a plane to Portugal or doing cartwheels round her front room, but hey maybe this latest sighting might tempt her...

      The Met and Murray together how sweet. I wonder which officers sanctioned the article? And I wonder too if their sensitive global investigations (oh please) will be taking in Brazil?

      On a more serious note. This nonsense these stories, clearly made to order, do nothing for Madeleine. If there is a chance at all that this wee girl is alive, then those behind the stories should be thorougly ashamed of themselves. How many of these 'tales' are actually investigated I would not know, but if they are it is an absolute disgrace that these people who report false sightings would have officers waste time and funds on what they know to be a wild goose chase.

      As for the Murray's and Lazzeri's of this world - they have done so much damage. Their reporting of the Madeleine case cannot be described anywhere close to responsible, any sensible person can see this, no matter whether you support the McCann couple or not. Commonsense tells one that they are doing is wrong. Makes you wonder why her parents sit back and do nothing about it. They claim not to be responsible for these articles, if this is so, they should be acting in a responsible way, for Madeleine, and putting a stop to it.

      They are quick to act in other matters, why not the most important one - addressing the issue of the press reporting what they must know to be false, purpose sightings, and surely they should be demanding the name of the officer sanctioned let Murray off his lead for this latest nonsense. Wonder what Murray's gaffer thinks of that ;-)

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    2. Anonymous 20/01/13 @ 08.30- 09.13-11.25-12.01.

      Thank you for posting your views especially on the point of the unlikelihood of Amaral ever VOLUNTEERING to be silenced.

      I couldn't agree more.

      Sandra Ryan.


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  17. Astro, Joana, does any of you or both have a friend, neighbour, colleague who understands about law and who understands about such an agreement?
    I hope the McCanns will pay a huge amount of money to Amaral.
    Next step: Kate and Gerry's strip-tease on a street, in order to make money.

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  18. Joana, que bom vê-la de volta aos posts.
    Nos media ingleses nem uma linha sobre o caso Amaral V McCann. Em vez disso, temos páginas preenchidas com fotos da criança com 3 anos e textos anedóticos ou dos pais a tentarem vender de novo o livro das mentiras.

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  19. There are political intrigues behind it, imo. They don't want to see McMafia loose its case against Dr. Amaral. But mobilizing Marinho Pinto et.al. seem to have been of no real use fortunately! But I'm afraid Mr. Amaral is burned out and might accept a deal, which would be understandably to me though.

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  20. quoting Paulo Freire:

    “If our option is to be progressive, if we are in favour of life and not of death,
    of fairness and not of injustice, of law and not of own will, of coexistence with
    the different and not its denial, we have other way but to live fully our
    choice...”

    “Se a nossa opção é progressista, se estamos a favor da vida
    e não da morte, da equidade e não da injustiça, do direito e não do
    arbítrio, da convivência com o diferente e não da sua negação, não
    temos outro caminho senão viver plenamente a nossa opção…”

    Paulo Freire

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  21. Please every one,do not forget that Mr Amaral knows more about this case than we do,do not think for one second that Mr Amaral has given up on Madelein and himself and his family.the mccanns are shit scared about what Mr Amaral can reveal should it ever have got to court.this backing down by the mccanns shows that are liars of the first decree.

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  22. I HAVE READ "THE FUND LTD." settled the issue between Robert Murat and Jane Tanner out of court too. One may wonder why.......

    Perhaps Jane Tanner would have to face the fact (witnesses) that she positively identified Murat as the "Egg Man" and he does not look like an "egg" at all!

    She was therefore contradicting her first sighting and, most definitely, making Murat a scapegoat (possibly to divert the heat away from his friends) and that is called "perverting the course of Justice".

    In his interview with Judite de Sousa, Amaral seems to refer to Murat's undisclosed agreement with Jane Tanner (paid by The Fund, Ltd.?) even if uses the term "newspapers". I understand Amaral was set to be Murat's witness in that trial.

    http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/04/goncalo-amaral-interviewed-by-judite-de.html

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  23. I was wondering why Goncalo Amaral would agree to any deal at all with the McCanns but I was forgetting that this accusation of libel was brought by the McCanns and if they wish to withdraw the accusation then how would it be possible for Mr Amaral to continue the case if he disagreed - as he didn't bring it?
    But then the judge has said that they have 6 months to agree terms or the case WILL go ahead so I'm confused.
    The terms can only be about how much money will be paid in compensation and also payment of legal fees.
    What happens if Mr Amaral doesn't agree terms - after the McCanns' have offered - this would surely have a bearing on the case if it went ahead because the McCanns would, in effect, have admitted they were wrong to bring it? The judge would then be judging a case that couldn't be judged impartially.

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  24. Dr. Amaral would have to be veeeery careful about the terms and conditions of any agreement he makes with The Posse. No doubt they will try to bring into it as much reputation-management as they can.

    The move to settle it out of court already indicates that - assuming of course that was a Lift Consulting/Madeleine's franchise initiative and not the Court's.

    Important to note that Dr. Amaral intends to become a practising lawyer and Dr. Marinho Pinto, the President of the Lawyers Association, is a formidable McCann witness in that trial. Dr. Amaral is likely to be susceptible to any "advice" The Pint gives him but, he needs not to.

    There should be enough in the court's compensation pay out for him to live well for the rest of his life (and the next). That house in Rothley must be worth a few millions. Add to that another million reported to be in The Fund, Ltd. as a result of Dr. Kate McCann's disastrous but successful fictional début.

    I am reminded of an occasion when the illiterate British journo, Tony Parsons, slandered the Portuguese ambassador Santana Carlos.
    :o The journo started by addressing the Portuguese ambassador as Señor (in Spanish)...

    The ambassador complained to the Press Complaints Commission - a self-regulatory organization at one time presided by Paul Dacre - "a xenophobic Nazi" (quote) in charge of the best-selling "Daily Mail" - "Little Englanders" newspaper par excellence...

    Anyway, I digress... the PCC later reported the issue had been settled with the ambassador in terms of an apology and an envelope (or letter) - suggesting perhaps the ambassador had accepted money as some kind of lenitive. The content of that envelope or letter remains a mystery but some might have associated it with "corruption" which was of course the idea ...

    To fully understand these people's psycho-Logy one needs to fully understand Semiotics PLUS Joseph Goebbels mind set.

    Dr. Amaral please note!



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  25. Who knows the right story? it could be the McCanns have GA by the short and curlies...and he's begging for mercy??

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  26. @16 "'Maddie kidnap photo shock' - exclusive by James Murray"

    :c "Burson-Marsteller fireworks"! Smoke-screens, really!

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  27. On the subject of MADELEINE MCCANN KIDNAP PHOTO SHOCK (Sunday Express)

    Those wishing to inform the Sunday "Porno" Express that the McCanns' are now apparently trying to settle it out of court with the former Portuguese investigator which they have tormented, prosecuted and tried to gag over the years, will find "Have Your Say" is unavailable for this story.

    You can however contact the news-desk as I did on:

    news.desk@express.co.uk

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  28. I'm not sure I understand what this means. Can any one shed more light on this?

    Is Amaral going to pay them a smaller amount of money and they will drop their case, or are THEY paying him? Can we get some clarification?

    Thanks
    Marie

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  29. Anon@ 5.14

    Great post

    "Sr Amaral I believe has no assets, not wealthy financiallly. The McCann couple cannot get blood from a stone. The only purpose for this legal action is to then take away what Sr Amaral does have - the truth! It is this they want, to take it and bury it! Money of course is their master, but they know there is none to be had here - silencing the man is their goal".

    I agree, their main priority has always been to silence Amaral and destroy him in the process - they will broke no dissent from their 'story'. Amaral's theory is far more credible than theirs and they know it. Remember catholic Kate McCann's psychopathic comment about wanting Amaral 'to feel fear'? That is the frightening level of hatred she feels for the man and it is their blind fury and hatred which has driven the McCanns to continue with this libel action for the past four years. They were no doubt warned that they could not get the big payout they were after, but more importantly for them was crushing Amaral into silence, so they continued regardless. They've tried every trick in the book to achieve their goal and as they've been very successful in shutting up many others who questioned their 'story' (without having to go to court) they believed Amaral's capitulation was a no-brainer. In their arrogance they probably felt invincible and absolutely cocksure Amaral would collapse before the court date and succomb to the intense pressure and intimidation exerted on him. To their horror he has not. So knowing, as they always did, that they could not win (together with the knowledge that previously unheard material would likely surface in the course of the trial) they had no option but to back down and request a six month period of 'negotiation'.
    They're not beaten yet though, they still have the UK media in their pocket which is evident by the complete absence of reporting in this matter - OR are the media just biding their time?

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  30. SPAGHETTI

    Let those of us who are against the pre-historic censorship of the couple or do not believe the celebrity medics (and their friends) have told the truth, nothing but the truth; NOT be over enthusiastic about this new development for (I agree with #10) we really don't know which initiative this was.

    Was it the couple, the chief investigator or the court itself?

    We must never underestimate the political strings attached to this case, the immense (global) influence of Burson-Marsteller and Lift Consulting combined, the couple's international, multi-million legal teams, the funds of The Fund, Brian Kennedy's "top-up cheques", Royalty connections, etc.

    Add to the above equation, the formidable power and influence in Portuguese legal circles of Pint of the Bar and Madame X - a die hard McCann supporter. Trust me, given the fees she charges I would gladly represent the McCanns myself if only I had the expertise!

    Rufina, my girl friend, suspects the postponement was called off by the McCamp in the hope something dramatic might happen to their nemesis or indeed pop up during Scotland Yard's dry-cleaning operation "Grange" (think of a dungeon...)

    In fact, in less than 48 hours, we already have another "REAL" sighting of Madeleine in Brazil! Any scrap of info (the more the better) that might help to influence public opinion towards the "official version" of events and ignore all the circumstantial evidence - the better!

    Anything that might suggest or prove Dr. Amaral's opinions and those other PJ experts wrong - the ideal!

    Rufina is quick to point out, the latter was unlikely to happen for "obvious reasons" but would, nevertheless, force another six-months of fasting on the former inspector who now runs the risk to become human spaghetti.

    See a recent photo of "Big Rock" here and compare with previous ones:

    http://expressodooriente.com/?p=8137

    Because Rufina earns a living reading the Tarot and is invariably right, I have to take her intuition on board and say: "Yeah! You might have a point here!" so my bottom line (hers really) is:

    We really don't know what this postponement means or implies except another six months of fasting and stress for the hero. For all we know, the celebrity medics may still have the upper hand... at least for another six-months...

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  31. If you can write in Portuguese (Googlese might do!) I suggest you leave a word of support to Dr. Goncalo Amaral here:

    http://expressodooriente.com/?p=8137#comment-501

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  32. Madeleine is still not found! Madeleine is alive or dead?

    Madeleine was the victim of an abduction, but Where is the evidence ?

    The theory described by Amaral in his book , leads may be at a useful way to know the outcome of the case , but not sufficient to lead to the truth, no about what happened with Madeleine May 3, 2007, it is necessary with add des elements determinants .

    We are all witness of the confusion of the situation created for des Mac Cann against G.Amaral who has probably press a sensitive chord and disturbed the couple !
    But why these parents seek protection and support great personalities close to the British government to defend them?
    But against what?
    - They have afraid or feel they incriminated and guilty of something, we can ask !
    - ,it is crucial that the only way to act is create a cloud of smoke and to attack Amaral by a reversal of the situation.
    Having amassed a lot of money, and with the help of their eminent lawyers against defamation , the Mac Cann have decide for a radicale action : It's time to hit hard, their lawyers settle their attack sharp and well oiled against G. Amaral!
    At this point, one may wonder what crime has committed G.Amaral in this story completely zany , when we know that the departure was a survey done on the disappearance of a little girl led by this former Inspector of Police?

    And meanwhile, Madeleine is no longer in the headlines and relayed by a hotter topic, the libel suit against the former police inspector at the request of the parents of Madeleine !
    The situation lend to smile despite that the case is very serious!
    The roles are reversed, but where is the real justice in this case?
    This process seem completely foolish and unfair !

    And suddenly the story picks up, people see Madeleine again ...
    we may have seen Madeleine in Brazil ....!!!

    A serious question :the search for Madeleine is it still relevant?

    What has happened between counsel for Mac Cann and the representative of the Portuguese justice?
    - G. Amaral was he went to England to negotiate with the lawyers Mac Cann?
    But, G. Amaral must remain strong to the influence of money or the threats ...

    Mac Cann have destroy many things in the life of G. Amaral,but Amaral should not drop your arms in so good way!
    His public loyal to is there, stronger than ever and we must support G.Amaral to that truth illuminates the disappearance of Madeleine!

    G.Amaral must prove one day that his theory was not a utopia but something closer to the truth.. maybe?

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  33. Brazil sighting is a fraud, a conman, as expected - http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/m/press/69jan13/BAZIL_EMAILS.htm

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  34. "MADELEINE MCCANN KIDNAP PHOTO SHOCK" is from Associated Press taken in Ibiza, Spain http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6256944.stm

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  35. Anon 36 - well spotted. Is there no end to the gullibility of the tabloids? Or more precisely, the gullibility that they assume on the part of their great readership?

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  36. There is no way a libel trail against Dr Amaral would stand up to scrutiny in a court of law, as he would be able to quote chapter and verse on how the investigation was carried out, and the conclusions reached, and that is what his Book is about.

    People should not forget how, after the questioning of the McCanns by the investigators, and Gerry McCann looking very pale around the gills when he emerged (the quote of 'We're fooked'? appeared, really, is that so, and why would that be). Whether he actually said that or not, they got out of the place as fast as they could, even though they were supposed to go back for further questioning.

    What was the problem that they could not answer questions regarding the disappearance of their child, the mother refusing to answer any at all, yet them saying they wanted to do everything possible to help with the investigation. How do they think the police/investigators regarded that, and how would anybody in authority, or members of the public, regard it.

    Kate McCann may think she has achieved damage control with her book, yet in a court of law, and a reminder to the public of what actually went on in the investigation, there is no guarantee of that.

    Foolish indeed to have proceeded with this libel trial, because it will stir up a hornet's nest of reminders of various aspects the public may well have forgotten, like those doggies that will simply not go away, no matter how Gerry McCann tries to spin the lie that these dogs are 'notoriously unreliable'. The dogs used in this particular case were certainly not, nor would the police use dogs that were.

    Also, the concern and suspicion raised by information received from a fellow doctor of possible paedophila in the group. How would the public react to that information? A demand the case be reopened, but this time looking at certain members of the Group themselves?

    People should also not forget the 'stand alone evidence' we are told the PJ have, which was confirmed as a fact.

    Certain information can be brought out in a court of law that cannot be as readily mentioned elsewhere, yet once it is out in the public domain there is no way it can be put back in the bottle and recorked.

    Dr Amaral, as far as the truth of the investigation is concerned, is the one holding the cards, and he can play them as he wishes. We have only been told a certain amount via the released File, yet there was also information not released, and there is no doubt that there are people who want it to remain so.

    I doubt this 'libel' action will ever go to trial.



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  37. To Anonymous Nr.10: It doesn't seem like a real possibility to me that the Court would "give this idea" to both parts.

    Anyway... Let's wait and see what will this lead to.

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  38. @36 "PHOTO SHOCK" is from Associated Press" (VIA BURSON-MARSTELLER?)

    I am getting "Security alert at Ibiza airport" on the BBC link you give but then I have not seen what the Express published.

    You mean the little girl in the middle? Yeah! it is a child alright but any bleached hair child is likely to look like Madeleine.

    I thought it was a picture from M. taken last week !!! Damned Burson-Marsteller always playing tricks!

    The article in the "Porno Express" was probably paid by Clarence Mitchell's Burson-Marsteller "reputation management" outfit. That's what they do, and I quote:

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  39. to Anon 36

    I have just confirmed you were absolutely right. It is the BBC/AP photo alright! You have an eagle's eye my friend!

    I have also found out the full text of the Brazilian man's e-mail who triggered this new media stunt at:

    http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/m/press/69jan13/BAZIL_EMAILS.htm

    Apparently he contacted GerryMcCann Blogs thinking this was Dr. McCann's own "reputation management" outlet!

    May be this is where the "Porno Express" borrowed (stole) the idea for a story....

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  40. Texto original do correio-e a que se refere o "Sunday Express"
    (PARTE 1)

    RESGATE: MADELEINE MCANN
    ATT: MISTER MARK DRAYCOTT

    PLEASE READ TILL END/ LEIA ATÉ O FIM

    O CASE MADELEINE MCANN, SÓ PODERÁ SER RESOLVIDO, QUEBRANDO TODAS AS REGRAS DE INVESTIGAÇÃO.

    ESCOLHI A POLICE DE LONDRES (SCOTLAN YARD) METROPOLITAN POLICE, POR SER A MELHOR PREPARADA PARA RESGATAR MADELEINE MCANN :d

    NESTE CASO ESPECIFICO EU PODERIA ESCOLHER , A POLICE JUDICIARIA DE PORTUGAL, OU A POLICE DA ESPANHA, A POLICE DA ALEMANHA, OU AINDA A POLICE DE NETHERLAND.

    EU NÃO VOU A LONDRES A PASSEIO, VOU TRABALHAR , JUNTO COM OS SENHORES,E RESOLVER O CASE MCANN, CONFIEM EM MIM, SOU UM HOMEM SERIO, E ESTOU COM O CASO RESOLVIDO, FECHADO (GIRIA POLICE ).

    IMPORTANTE LEMBRAR AOS SENHORES, QUE NESTE MOMENTO TEM DE HAVER SIGILO ABSOLUTO SEM A PRESENÇA DA IMPRENSA, DO NOT PRESS,DO NOT TV .

    FORMA DE APRESENTAÇÃO:

    FAREI A APRESENTAÇÃO EM ( 2 ) PARTES

    1)OUVINDO AS TESTEMUNHAS, JUNTO COM OS SENHORES, E DEMAIS AUTORIDADES PRESENTES, VOU FAZER A APRESENTAÇÃO COM PROVAS, IDENTIFICANDO CADA UM DOS (9) NOVE BANDIDOS, QUE PARTICIPARAM DO SEQUESTRO DE MADELEINE MCANN, INCLUSIVE INFORMANDO COM0 ELES AGIRAM.

    2) APÓS OUVIRMOS AS TESTEMUNHAS, FAREI A (2) SEGUNDA PARTE DA APRESENTAÇÃO, SOMENTE COM OS SENHORES E AS AUTORIDADES PRESENTES, INCLUSIVE APRESENTANDO AS FOTOS DE TODOS ELES.

    DURANTE A APRESENTAÇÃO DA (2) PARTE, JÁ COM A CONFIRMAÇÃO, E IDENTIFICAÇÃO DOS BANDIDOS PELAS TESTEMUNHAS, FAREI A CONCLUSÃO DE MINHA APRESENTAÇÃO, COM UMA GRANDE E IMPORTANTE INFORMAÇÃO NEWS NO FIM.

    TEMPO PREVISTO DE APRESENTAÇÃO 2,00: HORAS

    O CASE MADELEINE MCANN, SÓ PODERÁ SER RESOLVIDO, QUEBRANDO TODAS AS REGRAS DE INVESTIGAÇÃO, OU SEJA NÃO ADIANTA EU SER OUVIDO PELOS SENHORES, SEPARADAMENTE, AS TESTEMUNHAS TEM DE ESTAR TODAS PRESENTES, PARA IDENTIFICAR CADA UM DOS BANDIDOS .

    PARA APRESENTAÇÃO PROVIDENCIAR COM URGENCIA

    1) AUDITORIO, AUDIENCE COM CAPACIDADE DE PELO MENOS 50 PESSOAS

    2) SMART TV 50¨ OU PAINEL DE PROJEÇÕES COM ENTRADA DE PC COMPUTER

    3) FLIPE CHART COM PINCEL ATOMICO

    4) MICROFONE

    5) INTERNET WIRE LESS

    6) HOTEL EM LONDRES, O MAIS PROXIMO POSSIVEL DA OPERATION GRANGE/ SCOTLAN YARD

    7) PASSAGENS AEREAS SÃO PAULO ( GRU ) LONDRES / SÃO PAULO



    LUIZ CARLOS MORENO, BRASILEIRO, PASSPORT n.o CZ046547

    8) PESSOAS/ TESTEMUNHAS: NECESSARIAS PARA A APRESENTAÇÃO

    A) GERRY MCANN

    B) KATE MCANN

    C) JANE TUNER

    D) ANTONIO CASTELA , PORTUGUES, MOTORISTA DE TAXI, VILA REAL DE SANTO ANTONIO PORTUGAL

    E) ANNE MARIE STAN, BALCONISTA DA LOJA EM AMSTERDAN

    F) HANNIE WEICHMANN, TESTEMUNHA AMSTERDAN

    G) FRANK BODE, TURISTA ALEMÃO

    H) ISABEL DUARTE, ADVOGADA PORTUGAL

    I) TODAS AS AUTORIDADES QUE OS SENHORES JULGUEM NECESSARIO PARTICIPAR, INCLUSIVE OS 33 DETETIVES, CADA UM COM SEU NOTEBOOK PC.

    J) LISTA DE PASSAGEIROS DO VOO LUFTHANSA, IBIZA A MUNIQUE, EM QUE O SR : FRANK BODE VIU MADELEINE MCANN ( VOU IDENTIFICAR OS BANDIDOS )


    parte 1/2)

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  41. Texto original do correio-e a que se refere o "Sunday Express"
    (PARTE 2)

    O CASE MADELEINE MCANN, SÓ PODERÁ SER RESOLVIDO, QUEBRANDO TODAS AS REGRAS DE INVESTIGAÇÃO, OU SEJA NÃO ADIANTA EU SER OUVIDO PELOS SENHORES, SEPARADAMENTE.

    ESCOLHI A POLICE DE LONDRES ( SCOTLAN YARD ) METROPOLITAN POLICE, POR SER A MELHOR PREPARADA PARA RESGATAR MADELEINE MCANN

    NESTE CASO ESPECIFICO EU PODERIA ESCOLHER , A POLICE JUDICIARIA DE PORTUGAL, OU A POLICE DA ESPANHA, A POLICE DA ALEMANHA, OU AINDA A POLICE DE NETHERLAND.

    EU NÃO VOU A LONDRES A PASSEIO, VOU TRABALHAR , CONFIEM EM MIM, SOU UM HOMEM SERIO, E ESTOU COM O CASO RESOLVIDO FECHADO( GIRIA POLICE ).

    IMPORTANTE LEMBRAR AOS SENHORES, QUE NESTE MOMENTO TEM DE HAVER SIGILO ABSOLUTO SEM A PRESENÇA DA IMPRENSA, DO NOT PRESS, DO NOT TV .

    PARA TERMINAR, SERIA IMPORTANTE CONTAR COM A PRESENÇA DO PRIMEIRO MINISTRO DA INGLATERRA SIR DAVID CAMEROM.

    VAMOS TER DE INTERVIR EM OUTROS PAISES.

    SOU UM CORRETOR DE IMOVÉIS, AQUI EM SÃO PAULO BRASIL, NÃO PRETENDO FAZER O PAPEL DE INVESTIGADOR E NEM DE POLICE, APENAS QUERO DAR A MINHA COLABORAÇÃO, PARA RESGATARMOS MADELEINE MCANN RAPIDAMENTE.

    REPITO EU SEI COMO RESGATAR ELA RAPIDAMENTE.

    FAÇO UMA SUGESTÃO, PARA FAZER DE DATE PARA A NOSSA APRESENTAÇÃO

    NO PROXIMO SABADO DIA 12 DE JANEIRO 2.013 POR VOLTA DAS
    10,OO HS SE FOR POSSIVEL .

    VOU TERMINAR DIZENDO, QUE A O CASE MADELEINE MCANN, JÁ CONSUMIU ( FORAM GASTOS MILHARES DE LIBRAS ), ATÉ O MOMENTO, SEM UMA SOLUÇÃO.

    COM TODAS AS TESTEMUNHAS E AS AUTORIDADES PRESENTES, EU FECHO, RESOLVO O CASE MADELEINE MCANN, EM NO MAXIMO DE 2,00 HS.

    NO PROXIMO DIA 12 DE MAIO DE 2.013, MADELEINE MCANN, FARÁ ANIVERSARIO 10 YEARS, , E VAMOS TODOS JUNTOS COM ELA COMEMORAR, SO DEPENDE DE NOS.

    FICO A DISPOSIÇÃO DOS SENHORES NO QUE FOR PRECISO, E NECESSARIO

    SINCERELY

    LUIZ CARLOS MORENO

    Email: morenoluizcarlos@terra.com.br

    Fone contato

    5511 5585-0906

    Móbile 5511 9-7298-5337
    ------------------------------------------
    Full credit for the scoop must be given to:
    http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/m/press/69jan13/BAZIL_EMAILS.htm

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  42. @ Pericles Pinto at 39

    Thanks for your observation. On second thoughts you are probably right. Would the court contact both parties and suggest so? Probably not. Some party might have suggested that in the first place. However we must not underestimate the influence of Isabel Duarte and Marinho Pinto in the corridors of Justice in Lisbon (...)

    We have already seen that in at least three dodgy court decisions against Amaral (or was it four?)

    Still I am more inclined to agree with you. It is unlikely it was Amaral's party for he would not (my assumption) settle for negotiations. To negotiate what?

    The party most likely to have called the shots were the McCanns'. They have already lost an appeal to the Supreme Court and therefore must know that negotiations off court would be their best way out in terms of expenditure and "reputation management".

    I suspect they will be prepared to pay Amaral at least 1,2 million Euros (which was what they wanted from him) but I don't think Amaral will accept just that. 1,2 million is peanuts!

    Also they may also try to gag him. Not to disclose the terms of the settlement, not to write anything more about them, etc. - the usual staff but...

    Like you said, we must wait and see.

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  43. # For Marie at 31

    I am stuck with the same thoughts. No one knows for sure.
    We must all smile, wish Mr. Amaral the best, wait and see...

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  44. If McCanns are going to offer Sr Goncalo Amaral a 'pay off' in any deal, where is the money coming from to do so?

    In a recent press article Kate McCann stated that the Fund now has a balance of £475,000 approx.

    She also intimated that the Fund, due to the Met Police Review, has had no need to spend on searching for Madeleine, therefore they dismissed the PI- Dave Edgar.

    Follows then huge savings made. Not paying Edgar and not paying for any other expenses which involve a physical search for the missing child how could they not? Had they had these expenses to fork out, the Fund balance would have been very much reduced, very much less than £475,000.00

    They have rid themselves of Edgar but what now of the lawyers?

    To keep on their payroll the very expensive teams of lawyers which they do, must cost a pretty penny.

    These fancy lawyers don't help Madeleine.

    The lawyers’ expenses it would seem are in connection with the bailing out of all of the troubles and mess the McCann get themselves embroiled in, and not directly related to any search for this child. Not least this latest with Sr Goncalo Amaral, where they now wish to deal.

    They were attempting to sue him - fat chance of that happening! But where are they getting the money from to 'deal?'

    £475,000 is certainly a huge amount of money, but it does not go far when needed to cover the types of costs the McCanns run up, their fancy lawyers both in the UK and Portugal to be paid - and most likely, IF Goncalo Amaral settles out of Court, it would be a sum, more than they will have remaining in that Fund, a sum out with their now means, especially when there will no doubt be a queue in front of him, also needing paid.

    Explains why they would like it, if the public would keep donating keep giving them their money, though they would have us believe, even though the Fund is not now financing a search for Madeleine at the moment (nor has it done for some time)that their reason for the begging bowl being out once more is simply they feel it would be good to have your cash in THEIR bank account...wait for it...in case they have to commence searching in a hurry!

    She was however careful in her wording (the above is not verbatim) but just as sneaky in her approach as we have now come to expect, thanking the public first for past donations/book purchases, then launching into:-

    'The Directors feel it is important that the fund maintains reasonable reserves so that the search for Madeleine can be resumed quickly should the MPS review not lead to a reopening of the case in Portugal.'

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  45. I'll bet they do!

    If she could just have been a bit more specific as to the amount required to kick start any future physical search!

    One cannot help, even now after all this time, be shocked at the gall of these people.

    Do we really think that there has been any great 'physical' search by this Fund over the past 5 + years, and to suggest that they need money in the Fund so that they can SPRING INTO ACTION at a moments notice, to physically search is nothing short of laughable!

    They treat the public- or 'THEIR' public - THEIR supporters, as though pea brains.

    Edgar couldn't spring into action if you planted a bomb up his derriere.

    The thought alone will send Edgar into cardiac arrest, but then Gerry will be on hand - they won't leave him to be tended by a stranger, someone that they don't know or that he doesn't know - Kate would think that unwise! Chances are in a vulnerable state he might blab!

    He's the guy who said it was too difficult to physically search the area where they believe Madeleine is being held in a lair. He's the guy who said at the time he gave the interview, that he would still be sitting where he was then, in 10 years time, still employed by McCann to search for Madeleine.

    So they aren't expecting her back home any time soon? Which means they really want your money for the next ten years at least - JUST IN CASE THEY NEED TO PHYSICALLY SEARCH.

    You never know they might. And am I doing Dave Edgar an injustice, during this period of absence, could he be on 'stand by' and like the Duracell Bunny all charged up and ready to go...

    K. McCann states they dismissed Edgar in March 2012, yet she says they have not paid for any physical searching for 6 months, this she stated in her December 2012 report. Maths not my strongest subject, but she's 3 months out in her calculations! If the guy hasn't physically searched from March to December..?

    Is that not reduced costs for 9 months, not 6! Unless there is someone else on their team who has been physically searching, and if so, has this person now been dismissed also? She makes no mention of any other.

    Careful Sr Amaral when you do the 'numbers' with them in any deal!

    The Review commenced 18 months ago she further stated, but Edgar was not dismissed until March 2012. So for much of the Review period (9 months) Edgar WAS employed by them.

    That in itself doesn't add up either when we take into account the following statement:-

    'Since March 2012 independent ‘physical’ investigation of lines of enquiry by our team has been put on hold whilst the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) Review progresses. This has been to avoid duplication'

    So, for 9 months of the Review period, Edgar was still employed by the McCanns, the other 9 he was not. Since March 2012, the 2nd of the 9 month periods, they were concerned re 'duplication' so refrained from any physical investigation of any lines of inquiry, they simply put it on hold.

    Hopefully they passed any lines of inquiry during this time, which came to their attention and which they had no intention of dealing with themselves, to the Portuguese police,and did not simply put matters relating to Madeleine 'on hold.'

    The 9 months when Edgar WAS still with them and the Review was taking place also - were things duplicated then?

    Was it not equally as crucial to prevent 'duplication' during the first 9 months as it was the second 9 month period?

    Fund has had £m's processed through it, teams of experts in every field employed by them at huge cost (not a one of them of any use in helping find Madeleine) and yet we still get the usual nonsense in statements from them, information which never adds up, be it monetary reports and or other. Do none of these professionals check over what this couple puts in writing?

    Hell knows what Edgar has been doing during past 4 years let alone the past 9/18 months!

    And as for the 'Awareness Campaign?' Please..

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  46. Then we have the report that poor Kate ploughed the monies from book sales into the Fund (almost £1m) not sure if we were to sympathise with or congratulate her.

    Ploughing the money served to clear debts and leave them with the balance of £475,000. So of course she should have ploughed it in. Was that not the basis and purpose of writing and selling it, all proceeds to be given to the Fund - so why the hell the long face. They lost almost £1m (Halligen/Metodo) so really book sales merely replaced what was lost. It is she and Gerry and the other Directors who are responsible for it, for the state of the Fund, the outgoings, and had this book not sold, if the figures being quoted are correct, the Fund was in a bloody great financial mess. Could be it still is!

    If Sr Amaral chooses to do a deal with this pair, he had better be sure they have money in the coffers to meet whatever is agreed, as that Fund despite the enormous generosity of the public, never looks too healthy! It may just take one huge dip,for some reason or another, around the time a deal is cut or the monies are to be paid out, and Sr Amaral will not see one shiny penny.

    He'll need more than luck when dealing with this slippery pair.





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  47. As always in these news articles McCanns never miss a chance to explain their reason for not leaving their children in care of responsible adult, and this time was no different. Not only was Kate speaking of her selflessness (hmm) in donating the proceeds of the book to the Fund but how she would NEVER leave her children in the care of a stranger, not even if that stranger it seems is employed by the hotel, fully trained, skilled and registered to look after children.

    Such a saint, or is she...she'd rather leave them on their own!

    Kate McCann:

    'I could argue that leaving my children alone with someone neither we nor they knew would have been unwise, and it's certainly not something we'd do at home, but we didn't even consider it.

    'We felt so secure we simply didn't think it was necessary.'

    So, Kate and Gerry McCann gave NO consideration whatsoever to leaving their children in the care of responsible adults who were registered, trained and skilled staff members of the OC, preferring to leave them alone in an unlocked apartment whereby persons, both known or unknown to the children could gain entry and harm them.

    By golly that's responsible parenting - to NOT give the safety of their children ANY consideration at all. Wow!

    And don't you just love how she slips in 'I could argue it would have been unwise to leave them with persons who we didn't know and who my kids, didn't know.'

    Pull the other one Katie - you left them every day, all day with people they didn't know! And let's face it, it was those very same trained and registered staff who cared for them in daytime who would be caring for them had you taken them to the evening child care facility. A member of the public passing by was not going to be hauled off the street to watch over the kids for heavens sake.

    But Kate said she could argue how 'unwise' it would have been to leave her kids in the care of in essence, trained registered staff, preferring to leave them alone, with the door to the apartment unlocked for strangers with malice on their mind to harm her children. Or others like Matt Oldfield! She actually claims to have sent this character to check on her kids, and he claims he didn't know them well enough to perform such a task.

    The creche staff at the OC spent more time during that holiday with the McCann children than Matt Oldfield ever had in their entire lives. So much so that Oldfield himself declared this as his reason for NOT having checked on them at any other time during that holiday - HE DID NOT KNOW THEM!

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  48. There you have it straight from the horses mouth - the McCanns simply didn't think it was necessary to provide their children with protection, to have a responsible person known or unknown to them to take care of them.

    Would not a responsible staff member, trained in child care, looking after their children not have been the better option, especially when they planned from the beginning of the week as the group confirmed, to leave these children alone each and every night of the holiday.

    Not a last minute, one night affair, they PLANNED it from the beginning, booking at the commencement of the holiday a dinner table for each and every night, a booking which did NOT include their children. So plenty of time to arrange for their children to be responsibly cared for in their absence. And after the first day/night the children would have become acquainted with the child minding staff - so no longer persons unfamiliar to them.

    Better this than the McCann children awake, alone, afraid and crying for their mummy and daddy in the unlocked apartment as we know was the case for these three tots- but hey Kate and Gerry didn't think this UNWISE!

    I guess if Kate and Gerry were not still spinning this tale, of not wanting to leave their kids with persons they did not know - to you and I responsible trained staff employed by the O.C. - we'd be wondering what was wrong with them!

    Take note Sr Amaral - still spinning - still lying - still cheating- still scheming - still loathing you with every fibre of their being - neither has a face that can disguise this, still dirty dealing. Nothing has changed since Madeleine vanished and nothing will, they are in too deep.

    Whether this Fund is in the financial condition which they would have us believe is anyone's guess. If it is, then they are not in a healthy financial position. Begs the question, not only WHY? But who is paying what must be huge legal fees? - because that Fund cannot afford them!




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  49. Amaral has to stand his ground, he is one step ahead of them, he always has been. He never buckled under their pressure. I doubt very much he would accept payment from them for his silence, not after the venom with which they have treated him over the years. No, I think he will gladly report to the world how much they tried to buy his silence for and he will get his day in court, enjoying the next 6 months of begging. The only way he will accept is if he knows they are done for already! Stay strong Goncalo and well done!

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  50. @41 BURSON-MARSTELLER'S E-FLUENTIALS

    :h Wot da heck is e-fluentials?

    Websites like "regrets and ramblings", "stop the myths", "justice 4 McCann fam" and others? not forgetting the McCanns sales & marketing VERY own findmadeleine.com ???

    I get it! I am already imagining ...

    :j Judge: "Have your clients been trying to e-fluential the public, the jury?"

    :m Isabel Duarte: "Of course not your honour! My clients are the most honourable people on Earth. They are British! It is these Portuguese clowns! These pitbulls! These liars! These bastards who ...erm..."

    :j Judge: "Security! Get this woman out of my office NOW! I have heard enough of her! This trial has been adjourned for six months!"

    Isabel Duarte: :e

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  51. @49 "and Sr Amaral will not see one shiny penny."

    You forgot their home in Rothley. The McCanns' were trying to get at Amaral's family home so ... that's Karma. Their house could be worth a million or two. May be more.



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  52. Dr Amaral has played a clever hand as he let the McCanns and their media pals and supporters go unchallenged with their vile defamation of him, when he was only ever going about his business, and doing his job as an investigator assigned to the case. By doing that they have put themselves in a position to be sued by him.

    Meanwhile, he remained focused on the facts and circumstances of the investigation, and not allowed himself to be intimidated or back off. He has outlined the reasons why the facts and circumstances led to certain suspicions and conclusions, and at no point used abusive and derisory comments addressed to the McCanns. In fact, he kindly voiced sympathy towards them for the loss of a child, yet he had his job to do in discovering what exactly had happened to her, and that did not include taking his orders from them.

    From the outset he was targeted with vindictive abuse by the media when it was apparent he was refusing to go along with the McCanns' story of an abduction, and why should he take everything they said as truth, when so much was not making sense, and their version of events constantly changed. He was the one in charge, not the McCanns who were wanting to run the whole thing themselves, promoting only their 'abduction' story.

    It is a disgrace the McCanns, who were suspects themselves, and who could still be made 'suspects' if the case is reopened, were allowed to get away with so much interference in this case, even having witnesses confronted by their own 'representatives', who had nothing to do with the official investigation of the case, and asking these witnesses to answer their questions, also issuing their own photofits on TV news of alleged 'suspects', which led to suspicion being thrown on various people, and also virtually running their own police force sent to 'investigate' and question 'suspects' on behalf of the McCanns, but never to look at them as potential suspects.

    So what has been going on, and why are these McCanns so special. The UK police have stood by and done nothing to stop them, so what would happen if all police suspects in the UK were allowed to do the same, issuing their own photofits of those they say are alleged 'suspects', giving out information on the news, etc., at the same time demanding the police case files be handed over to them?

    Would the UK police have put up with this behaviour for two minutes? No way! Then why are they allowing it for the McCanns, when this case belongs to Portugal who may still reopen it?

    Surely to many onlookers this case appears to have degenerated into a crazy free for all, with the McCanns constantly bleating and blaming others, whilst getting people to go look here, there, and everywhere for an alive 'abducted' Madeleine, but never for a dead Madeleine, whilst giving out the message they need ever more money as they are down to their last half a million, yet again.

    As for the media who have willingly complied with the constant 'abduction' brainwashing of the public without bothering to check the facts of the case, (or do they even care), or been willing to take their cue from the McCann's 'spokesperson' Clarence Mitchell, (who according to the PJ, 'lies with every tooth in his head'), well, they are beneath contempt, and no defender of what is in the best interests of the public. It is the public have been encouraged all these years to give generously to the McCanns on the strength of an unproven 'abduction', and in the belief the money was being used for a 'search', when there has been absolutely no evidence that Madeleine was ever abducted to begin with.

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  53. @ 54

    Hello,

    I suspect that what they have is a huge mortgage around their neck - unless of course somehow in the last 5 years they have come into good fortune and were able to clear this?

    Remember, they made a couple of mortgage payments from the Fund when it was first set up. Doesn't sound as though they were too well off at that time, else why would they take the money donated to search for Madeleine?

    There home is not worth anything close to £1m perhaps half this amount if even that. They are not wealthy people, nor do either one of them come from wealth -both from working class backgrounds.

    It is the Fund and whatever other financial backing they have been receiving from whatever quarters which has allowed them to waltz around as they have been doing - seeking here and seeking there, people to sue!

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  54. Translation of comments 43/44 related to the Brazil/Daily Express hoax is available here» http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/m/BRAZIL_EMAILS.htm

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  55. Apologies - I am confused about the settlement - if it really means te McScams caving in to avoid the public airing of the evidence against them, then great! - tho' unfortunately they will spin it two ways - ie having to 'dip into the fund donated to find maddie by well-wishers to pay dastardly furriner, blah, blah' and 'did not want to compromise on-going delicate operations by their own highly-trained investigators at just the point they were about to find maddie, bkah, blah' They are slippery, with slippery spin-doctors:-(

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  56. I am amazed that there are still people here who ask which party requested the suspension. There is ony answer: the McCanns!! If it had been Gonçalo Amaral, the couple would have shouted it from the rooftops and at least called a press conference. Instead we get total silence from them as well as ridiculous spin to divert attention. The McCanns can make proposals to GA but he has no obligation to accept any of them, he can NO as long he wants. If no agreement is made then it goes to court. Isabel Duarte and Marinho e Pinto do not make the laws and tell the judges what to do! After all, the book ban was overturned with a scathing ruling criticising the previous rulings.
    Caroline

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  57. I've followed this case from the start. I've witnessed first hand\as they happened, the ups, the downs, the will they won't they. Classic HOLD YOUR BREATH moment, will they meet the six week deadline to avoid the case being shelved... who would have thought nothing happended: TALES OF THE UNEXPECTED !!

    And here we all are again, at some sort of ''apparent'' cross road in the woeful tale. What's next?

    Who hold the cards?

    What is happening. For sure the long over due late accounts published this week reveals peculiar accounting, a small balance of a large expenditure and yet we are only 10 weeks off closure of this audit year, so how much is there really?

    But the how much, or how much is their house worth is as much a conundrum as the case it's self. SINCE WE DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT of the backers, wheelers and dealers, except those that seem fast to fall by the wayside, McEvy MP Tory Party now, McGuiness, Mitchell, Rawlings, Branson, Kennedy(Everst) & Gamble to name a few. Where are they now? Who's doing what pro-bono! And I've always remember the student's thesis (wish I'd kept the link) on media studies, Mark Warner walked away from this reputation intact .... think about that.

    What a command proformance we all witness in front of the Leveson inquriy: Cameron Brooks May & the MET £3.5 million

    Yes the MET review. The MET is a under a lot of pressure at the moment, do they get more money?. Are they close to an end?

    All I can say, from experience of following the case. Sr Amaral watch your back & flank & grow eyes in the back of your head.

    This is far from done.

    Nothing in this case is what it seems. Just look at the long awaited Rogatory interview, remember those? Remember the lab results?

    And dangling in the wind as always & tempting is the Smith family's sighting, yet unresolved.

    Six months will come and go.

    Meadow
    aka missypuddleduck.

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  58. Anon 56

    'A huge mortgage around their necks'!! You have got to be kidding, when they have had MILLIONS given them over the years, and by the terms of the Fund, half the money went to support their 'extended family', whoever that might be.

    That mortgage will have been paid off years ago, as the Fund is theirs to do with as they wish, and only a small percentage actually used for the 'search'. They were exposed as paying the mortgage repayments from the Fund to begin with, as somebody went and leaked that to the media, and the public were not pleased, but now it does not matter as the money is considered to be theirs anyway, yet the public might not be so keen to donate if it is again revealed the money is being used for other than the 'search', and in these hard times why should people be sending well heeled people like the McCanns money to pay off their mortgage, when they could use the money for their own needs.

    They are also allowed to buy other property if they so wish that would 'aid' in the search for Madeleine, so who knows what property they may own besides that house of theirs. One thing appears apparent, and that is they have never had to resort to downsize on their house which will be worth hundreds of thousands, and it would be interesting to see if they would ever be willing to do that.

    If the tables are reversed and the McCanns end up having to pay after being sued by people, then they would have to use any property they own to do this, just as they want to take all they can get from others they sue.

    Though they may still have rich backers willing to take the monetary fall for them, surely even they would only go so far with this constant risk of losing so much money by suing people, before the McCanns would have to take responsibility for themselves and start using their own money if the Fund has run dry.

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  59. This is all very simple to solve?. Ask the UK goverment/police if they to obtain and hand over the Creditcard/bank statements for the Mccanns for the period of May to Oct 2007, along with MM and the twins medical records. If there is nothing to hide there is no reason to ensure the Portuguese have this information, this would surely allow them to re-open the case.

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  60. So, if this is re-opened can we assume the Mccanns will automatically become arguidos again and the PJ will fly the Smith family over to take official statement. NO, this will not happen, the Smith statement alone should of been enough to re-open the case and it wasn't. The only way this will get solved is when the Political landscape change...sometime never

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  61. The money is a RED HERRING, hardly worthy of debate, EXCEPT it has faciliated this farce long enough.
    Meadow

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  62. the mccanns have no mortgage you can bet your life on that,its the money they have begged of off the public(more fool them)that has paid that up.

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  63. The look on Gerry's white face and thin lips exiting the Police Station right in the beginning said it all ! Gerry knows that the PJ know ! I think there was Political Interference from the UK against Jose Socrates !

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  64. Maybe McCanns are holding off until Amarals book sales bring him a fortune?

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  65. Can anyone confirm if Mr Mitchell is still employed as spokesperson? I haven't seen any press releases from him regarding this new development. Wondering if he is still on the payroll?

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  66. @68,the mccanns can hold off for as long as they like with(if this were true)but they will never ever win this case,they have lied through out about Mr Amaral and the supposed stress he has caused them,what about the stress this evil couple have caused Mr Amaral his wife and children,seems a lot of people prefer to forget this.

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  67. 69 - you can ask that to Mr. Mitchell himself on twitter @mitch_1uk - the Brazilian hoax was quickly spread by several news agencies and so was the book blood money story, my guess is yes, he still aids the McCanns with their media strategy albeit less now since he has moved up in the real world.

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  68. @Anonymous 62


    'A huge mortgage around their necks'!! You have got to be kidding, when they have had MILLIONS given them over the years, and by the terms of the Fund, half the money went to support their 'extended family', whoever that might be.'


    Hello,

    I think you may have misread my comment at 57 it read:

    'I suspect that what they have is a huge mortgage around their neck - UNLESS of course somehow in the LAST 5 YEARS they have COME INTO GOOD FORTUNE and were able to clear this?'

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  69. @52 maybe there was a different reason they didnt want baby sitters at night ,a cough cough gapers statement type reason

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  70. @73

    The Doctors Gaspar were very brave to come forward with the information they did. I'm not sure though that it was anything along these lines which led to Madeleine's disappearance. But one never knows.

    As @11 pointed out - so much still to be investigated, not least to discover why the parents were pleased and relieved to see the case shelved. Did they feel the investigation was getting too close to the truth, too close for their comfort?

    Let's hope it is re-opened and all of the points everyone here have mentioned are thoroughly investigated, including the Gaspar statements!

    From the comments I have read elsewhere, most are delighted at the prospect of a possible re-opening, though a huge number of supporters are not - they fear the McCanns once more becoming arguidos (apologies to Portuguese readers,if this is not the correct plural) but why should they be, with the mighty Met involved?

    Is it not strange that they are fearful? Why should they fear the completion of this investigation/a reconstruction - yet the supporters do?

    Why should the McCann party fear such a thing?

    If this couple and their friends are innocent of any involvement whatsoever and have been completely honest,then taking part in a reconstruction which I imagine they will have NO CHOICE other than to do, should this case be re-opened - then they have nothing to fear.

    As Kate McCann said:

    "WE'D NEVER LIED ABOUT ANYTHING - NOT TO THE POLICE, NOT TO THE MEDIA NOT TO ANYONE ELSE. BUT NOW WE FOUND OURSELVES IN ONE OF THOSE TRICKY SITUATIONS WHERE WE JUST DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE A CHOICE'

    So they lied then!

    Could it be that last time they were asked to take part in a reconstruction, they ALL knew they had NOT been truthful in their witness statements, that the reconstruction would clearly demonstrate this - that this was another of those tricky situations where they just didn't seem to have a choice, and they had lied?

    The volume of lies told in this case - looks as though the group have found themselves in quite a number of 'tricky situations!'

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  71. @75 what i find strange about the gaspers statement is gerry and team mccanns silence about it ,id have thought gerry and clareance would have been shouting ludicrous at the top of there voices not to mention gerrys favorate past time of suing every 1 that upset him ,yes its the deafening silence that baffles me ,if i remember right wasnt there also simler story about him and dp on the 3as .il be honest every time i see the creep on telly i think pedo ,also has any 1 seen anything about gerrys missing CATS number on the net (19309)?some of the more informed on here might be able to shed some light on it

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  72. Hi. I don't understand this, could someone help, please? What is going on?

    In the first instance a Portugese verdict was made in the lowest court in favour of the McCann couple which said that Mr. Amaral's publications were not allowed because they were libellous.

    But that initial verdict was quoshed on appeal to the Appeals Court of Lisbon which said there was no defamation as alleged and ordered any restrictions on Mr. Amaral's publications to be released.

    This higher court decision was then appealed itself by the McCann couple, at the Supreme Court of Justice. This court (I'd guess to be the highest, I don't know) upheld the verdict of the first Appeal court in favour of Mr. Amaral, denying the McCann's request.

    So what is this going on now, and that was scheduled to begin early in 2012, and now is shelved for 6 months more?

    I don't understand what it is. Can there be a 2nd appeal to the Supreme Court of Justice, appeealing its original decision? For people who know British law, this would be strange, a 3rd appeal in a 3rd appeal court.

    Please help and say exactly what this is and in which court and what it means and what the decision would bind and if it is the final word.

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  73. @77 The Supreme Court is the highest, the SCJ judges refused the McCanns extraordinary appeal to review the Appeals Court ruling that overturned the first civil court injunction. It's final, no more appeals, zilch, nada.

    The other process though related (and now postponed after the McCanns requested an extrajudicial meeting with the other four parties), and with the same defendants from the "book banning" trial, is based on the McCann allegations that the four parties committed libel. If the action goes forward it will take place in a civil law court.

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  74. (By Anonymous as @ 77)

    Thanks, Joana.

    The current, related process is a civil action in libel law. I've got that. (I thought that was what the first action which was long appealed was.) So this currently is a separate action to before, different area of law. This is the big one, the most important. (Which the McCanns after dragging Mr. Amaral through courts for years and being denied, now are trying to settle rather than "go through with". The McCanns live for this, the whole affair is a part of their Madeleine legacy set up - their full time, fully obsessed jobs. Damages would be their income. The "Madeleine" book proceeds won't last forever. Mr. Amaral doesn't live for this, of course. But the McCanns have attacked him in the courts over years before they go for a "bargain" from someone who must be very tired and wishes life beyond this part of his history which he chose.)

    But could you clarify for me please what the first action, long appealed was. So I see it was to get an injunction (which I'd wrongly associated with libel - as an injunction can be one of the remedies available where a court decides libel had taken place.)

    Can you say exactly what that long appealed area of law, in which the McCanns were denied requests by the highest, final court, was? I understand there was a claim about an area of legal rights. I'm thinking of British laws to help me understand, just of the kind of things which the McCanns might have alleged relevant. Perhaps that might be something like the purported negligence of a public official who had been taking care of the Madeleine McCann case, as you know, was removed, and went public. (Or possiby something like civil Trespass against the person where public outcry which affects the McCanns could be something included in Portugese law.)

    Can you help? If the area of Portugese law doesn't have an exact British equivalent (may be in between our laws or part of one and part of another) could you describe what it means, please?

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  75. You are welcome and I'm not sure I fully understand your questions, however I would like to point out a few articles that may help clarify some of your doubts. I think it's best if you read them first and then see if there are indeed any parallels with English law. If you still have doubts I'll try to get the answers for you. As to «Under this action, which prompted the request for the seizure of Gonçalo Amaral’s assets under an injuction, Kate and Gerry McCann further claim for the protection of rights, liberties and guarantees» it has nothing to do with what you wrote following this «I understand there was a claim about an area of legal rights». They are constitutional rights, enshrined in the Portuguese constitution, article 17º, 18º, 20º 24º, etc. http://www.parlamento.pt/Legislacao/Paginas/ConstituicaoRepublicaPortuguesa.aspx - I have no idea how the McCanns can claim that when they have clearly forgotten Madeleine and the twins rights.

    Censure back in Portugal: Court Bans Gonçalo Amaral Book & Film
    9 Sep 2009 - The civil court of Lisbon accepted a restraining injunction by Gerry and Kate McCann and ordered to take from the market the book "A Verdade da Mentira", written by Gonçalo Amaral, which defends the thesis that the parents are involved in the Homicide and disappearance of Madeleine McCann. http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/09/censure-back-in-portugal-court-rules.html

    The Temporary Injunction: Granted on September 9, 2009
    4 Feb 2010 - This is a translation of the text of the Civil Court ruling that granted the temporary injunction on Gonçalo Amaral’s book, ‘Maddie – The Truth of the Lie’, and the corresponding DVD. It was issued on the 9th of September, 2009. (...) It should also be recalled that this injunction was granted exclusively based on the evidence that was provided by the Applicants. The Defendants were only allowed to oppose the injunction after it had been granted. http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/02/temporary-injunction-granted-on.html

    The McCanns' Injunction: Quotes by the Defence Lawyers
    24 Feb 2010 - The following quotes come from notes taken in loco [on spot] at the 7th Civil Court, at Palace of Justice in Lisbon, on the day when the closing arguments were presented by the defence lawyers of the four entities targeted in this case and by the McCanns layer. http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/02/mccanns-injunction-quotes-by-defense.html

    Lisbon Appeals Court Decision on the McCann Couple Injunction
    24 Oct 2010 - This is the English translation of the full text of the Appellate Court decision that recently overturned the ban on Dr. Gonçalo Amaral's book, “Maddie - A Verdade da Mentira”, which has been commonly known to English-speaking people as “Maddie - The Truth of The Lie”. http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/10/lisbon-appeals-court-ruling.html

    McCanns appeal to the Supreme Court to forbid Gonçalo Amaral’s book
    10 Nov 2010 - The McCann couple has appealed to the Supreme Court of Justice against the Appellate Court’s decision to overturn the ban on the sales of Gonçalo Amaral’s book “Maddie – The Truth of the Lie”, the lawyer that represents the parents of the child that went missing in the Algarve said today. http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/11/mccanns-appeal-to-supreme-court-to.html

    Supreme Court turns down McCanns' request
    18 March 2011 - Kate and Gerry McCann wanted the Supreme Court of Justice to nullify a decision by the Appeals Court that allowed for the book by Gonçalo Amaral, ‘The Truth of the Lie’, to be distributed. Nonetheless, the judges have refused the request. http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2011/03/by-margarida-davim-kate-and-gerry.html

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  76. (by Anon as @ 77)

    Thank you very much, Joana..

    Your links make a good start in reading I ought to do. Thanks for telling me they are basic constitutional rights, public laws. But, as I'm not sure we have equivalent public laws here, it's hard to work out what they mean for the home systems we're used to. Do any readers know if there we have any similar public / constitutional law?

    I wonder if the same or very similar laws have come into force recently, though, under the Human Rights Act, implemented from the European direction to incorporate clear HR terms in national law. With that act though, we may not know what it means much until 40 years of case law down the line, if it's still there! I think, though full statute, with full effect and binding law, it was only meant as a preparation to be developed.

    Regardless of the HR laws here now, I'd still like to try to understand the law in terms of comparison to older British laws. II suppose there must be numerous people who have looked into those Portugese constitutional laws. If any are reading, I'd value the explanation. I suppose contesting something in law from the written Portugese constitution is similar to a really old statue here (or even if updated), a statute thought to be based upon basic consitutional ideas.

    The law might be some (the unfamiliar might think "strange") mix of what we know here as civil tort and public laws.

    So if Amaral didn't interfere with the natural legal rights of the McCann couple, is it a completely unrelatable question of whether or not it can be made out they can have been defamed?

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  77. All of this (the reasons for the rapid cover up at-all-costs) goes right back to the front door of number 10 Downing Street when Gerrys New Liebour friends were in office.

    Now in the UK we're heading up to the 12 month run in to a general election - and Gerrys mates aren't in power anymore, their enemies are.

    We all know how politicians like to sway the public by painting the opposition in the darkest shade of black they can find, and so I believe that the McCanns have been told that evidence hitherto swept under the New Liebour rug has been handed over to GA's team so that the McCanns and their political friends can all be hung out to dry together.

    And good riddance.

    Get ready for some seriously odious stuff to hit the fan if this gets to court.

    However, I think what will happen is that the people who pull the strings will make GA a massive financial offer, and Liebour will concede the election to the Conservatives so that some of their clan can avoid prison.

    Hope GA goes for it and puts the lot of them through the wringer.

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  78. Joana - Do you know if GA is ok as things have gone quiet recently? Also, have there been any rumblings about the court case, dates, etc?
    It would be good to know his reaction to the recent hoo-ha about a middle-aged couple going in to soothe Maddie when she was crying on the night of the 2nd - UK papers have been full of it.
    Louisee

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  79. They are ruthless money oriented fortune hunters out to take a respected member of the portugese police to the cleaners to make more money out of the disappearance of their daughter LONG LIVE mr Gonçalo Amaral I say dont cave in take 'them' to the cleaners and get their house as well !! remember you didnt get your books back did you?

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