14 October 2013

Missing Information


Last night, approximately at 8pm GMT, in advance of the Crimewatch broadcast in the UK, two computer-based images, e-fits of the same man, one with an oval head shape and the other with a diamond shaped one, as provided by two witnesses accounts were disclosed on twitter by a young man. That was followed by what seemed to be a poor and illegible screenshot of some newspaper at the ‘official McCann campaign’ on twitter, an image that was reproduced one hour later at the ‘official McCann campaign’ page on facebook. It turned out to be screenshot taken from the Telegraph.
It didn't take long for the images to travel swiftly, while a broadcast went on at Sky News reviewing the newspapers front pages, simultaneously the cover pages themselves were being shared on social sites [#tomorrowspaperstoday]. A little before midnight, @metpoliceuk released the official images.
There was much expectation for those e-fits, but even more so for the digital replicas of the articles associated to them in view of the fact that the 'press review' by Sky News anchor Dermot Murnaghan and his two guests, sounded a bit imprecise, biased - yes, the old xenophobia - and frankly repetitive.
After reading the articles on Daily Mail  1, 2 and 3, Express, Telegraph, Guardian, the Sun, Daily Star and the Mirror it wasn't difficult to understand from where the e-fits came.


Nowhere in the news articles published today, as far as I could see,  it is stated the provenance of the witnesses accounts used to create the e-fits, except, and surprisingly,  in the Sun. It is in that tabloid that we have the assurance that the witnesses used to create today's e-fits had already been included in Portuguese Judiciary Police case files.

From the news articles we are given two accounts, one referring to a 'German connection', reason for which the programme is going to be aired in Germany and in the Netherlands in the next couple of days.

«Two e-fit pictures of the same man with a “German connection” were released yesterday in what is seen as a major development in the case. Scotland Yard detectives investigating the disappearance of the girl, who was then three, in Portugal six years ago want to trace the man urgently. They believe he may have been in the vicinity of the McCann family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz as the mystery unfolded. Officers think the man in the computer-generated images may be German-speaking and inquiries and appeals are set to be launched in Germany as well as Holland.» 

«A number of other e-fits are expected to be released by police later today in an effort to identify further potential suspects. They will reportedly include images of two German-speaking men.»

The other, the Smith family sighting, when they saw a man carrying a child just before 10pm on the night of 3 May, 2007, in Praia da Luz, Algarve. And the two e-fits released today were, apparently, based on these witnesses descriptions.

«New images show the man an Irish family insist they saw carrying a girl like Madeleine McCann in the resort of Praia da Luz around the time she vanished. The two computer e-fits of the prime suspect were composed from statements and descriptions given by two members of the Smith family.

Martin Smith — holidaying with wife Mary, daughter Aoife, son Peter plus other family members — said the girl was three or four and in a deep sleep. The man was carrying her along the middle of a deserted side street in an uncomfortable position with her head slumped against him.

She had pale “typically British” skin, blonde shoulder-length hair and wore light coloured or pink pyjamas — like those Madeleine was wearing that night. Mr Smith, Aoife and Peter gave descriptions to Portuguese police two days later but no e-fits or sketches were produced.»

Some journalists and news anchors stated that nothing was done by the Portuguese Judiciary Police in relation to these witnesses statements. But is that the whole truth?

Let us not forget the serious implications contained in DCI's Andy Redwoods statement: “Our work to date has significantly changed the timeline and the accepted version of events that has been in the public domain to date.” Which as someone said, means, in no uncertain terms, “to present a version of events which goes against the facts contained in the Judiciary Police case files, obtained from sworn and signed witness statements and forensic evidence.” And all the inferences subsequently contained in that idea.

Let us not forget the numerous inconsistencies that lead the Portuguese Police appeal in 2008 for the Tapas 9 , the McCann couple and their group of friends, to attend a reconstruction so the investigation for Madeleine could continue. A reconstruction, the group refused to attend, allegedly because it wouldn't be of value if not broadcast as a Crimewatch show, among other reasons. The very same programme the McCanns (and the Tapas 7?) have now declined to take part on the grounds of being 'far too upsetting for them'.

Let us not also forget about the timing of tonight's appeal, e-fits and crimewatch programme that has been in production for several months, and the sudden urgency of broadcasting it with international fanfare at a time when coincidentally there is an ongoing libel case in Lisbon, an action taken by the McCann couple against a  former Judiciary Police inspector, a TV channel, a production company and a publisher, where at question, regardless of what the claims are, will be Freedom of Expression and of Opinion. The BBC crimewatch surely wasn't that urgent, since we have been waiting since the 6th of October, being drip-fed trailers, press releases, outtakes, production photos, of a prototypical blockbuster. We're just lacking the merchandising and the popcorns. But that too can be arranged.

Missing  Information

After two years of investigation, the Scotland Yard, having in their hands the mammoth task of cross checking the Judiciary Police case files, with eight private detectives companies files, and data gathered, I imagine, by the Leicestershire Police Constabulary, and other English authorities that worked in cooperation with the Judiciary Police, became aware of “the significance of the man” depicted in today's e-fit. DCI Andy Redwood said, “Whilst this man may or may not be the key to unlocking this investigation, tracing and speaking to him is of vital importance to us. We have witnesses placing him in the resort area around the time of Madeleine's disappearance.”

A vital information that led the Judiciary Police, under Gonçalo Amaral's coordination, to perform a series of investigative steps and contacts with their counterparts in the UK, between May 2007 and January 2008 was the information provided by Mr. Smith.

What I fail to understand is how the most significant piece of information provided by Mr. Smith, who saw a man carrying a child in his arms on the night of 3 May, 2007, which according to today's news reports lead to the creation of one of the e-fits, was suppressed.

Why?




Additional statement by Martin Smith, 30 January 2008

Cover note

Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough

Re – Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

I took an additional statement from Mr Smith as requested. His wife does not want to make another statement. I showed him the video clip and he stated that it was not the clip that alerted him but the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007.

He has been contacted by numerous tabloid press looking for stories. He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits. He sent a solicitor’s letter to six papers in relation material that was printed that was misquoted. The Evening Herald paid his solicitor's fees and all papers printed an apology. His photograph appeared in another tabloid paper and this matter is being pursued at the moment.

I do not believe that Martin Smith is courting the press and my view his is a genuine person. He is known locally and is a very decent person.

Forwarded please

Sergeant

L*** H****

Additional statement by Martin Smith, 30 January 2008

I hereby declare that this statement is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and that I make it knowing that if it is tendered in evidence I will be liable to prosecution if I state in it anything which I know to be false or do not believe to be true.

I would like to state that the statement I made on 26th May 2007 in Portugal is correct. The description of the individual that I saw on 3rd May 2007 carrying a child is as follows. He was average build, 5 foot 10” in height, brown hair cut short, aged 40 years approximately. Wearing beige trousers and darkish top maybe a jacket or blazer. He had a full head of hair with a tight cut. This individual was alone. I saw Gerard McCann (sic) going down the plane stairs carrying one of his children on 9th September 2007 BBC news at 10 PM, I have been shown the video clip by Sergeant Hogan which I recognise. A clip I have seen before on the Internet. In relation to the video clips of Gerard McCann and the person I saw on 3rd May 2007 when I saw the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007 something struck me that it could have been the same person. It was the way Gerard McCann turned his head down which was similar to what the individual did on 3rd May 2007 when we met him. It may have been the way he was carrying the child either. I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child. I am basing that on his mannerism in the way he carried the child off the plane. After seeing the BBC news at 10 PM, footage on the 9th September 2007 I contacted Leicestershire police with this information. During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. She had seen the video clip of Gerard McCann walking down the stairs of the plane earlier that day. We did not discuss this until some days later. This statement has been read over to me and is correct.

Full statements, Judiciary Police investigation, news articles and further context here and here



67 comments:

  1. What do we make of old poor Jane Tanner? First incriminating Murat and later describing an "abductor" completely different from the e-fits now presented to us. Did the Scotland Yard disregard her declarations to the Portuguese police? Did they too come to the conclusion that the woman was a liar? However, and not strangely, the SY continues to forget the Smith's family sighting. Hummmm

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  2. This case gets odder and odder. We shall know more about this suspicious e-fit man from the Met tonight.

    I am fed up with TV comments like: 'The Portuguese police bungled the timeline'. Maybe the second investigation did, but political interference and the main protagonists running off home made it complicated for them too. What gets me is that almost all the things Goncalo Amaral, in charge of the earlier investigation, said about what he had sussed, and what still needed to be done (what the Portuguese call 'diligences') before he was taken off the case, are coming to be done, or accepted as needing to be done by the Met. AMARAL wanted to go back to square one and establish a proper timeline. (The interviews with the friends of the McCanns about when they and Madeleine's parents checked on the children are totally inconsistent with other people's recollections.) HE wanted to do a reconstruction. They refused. HE wanted to check on phone call evidence, but was not allowed to so by the previous Attorney General... Too intrusive, I think it was...Good lord, who the hell are these people?! A young child was, and still is, missing! HE said the checking was a fabrication to ensure there were no accusations of 'child abandonment', which you could say it was, being as parents and friends were dining at least 100 metres away and no-one was looking after their three small children in their holiday flat.

    Now we hear 8.30pm to 10pm is the key time, so those check ups on Madeleine didn't occur, and those who say no-one left the table are right after all. No wonder Kate, looking haggard, came on my TV this morning saying that her parenting skills are not under discussion, and the man who stole M away from inside the flat is the one to blame. We know that! However, now we don't know what to believe: we don't even know for sure whether the flat was unlocked or not, and if locked could someone have made a duplicate key? We need to know for sure:

    When, where and at what time did Kate see Madeleine last?
    When, where and at what time did Gerry see Madeleine last?
    When, where and at what time did any of the Tapas friends see Madeleine last?
    When, where and at what time did anyone outside their circle see Madeleine last?

    Was she awake or very soundly asleep at the time too?

    That is the way the police carry on in the UK as I have good reason to know.

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  3. If you squint while looking at the images and merge them, the composite could pass for McCann? If these are based on the Smith sightings then, more believable. I just cannot see how a time line can be altered after six years and adjusted to fit a new story to give to fit an abduction. I doubt if SY have ever even questioned them or asked any questions. I truly hope the Police in Portugal are not just going to sit back and take it and not dispute this manufactured time line.

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  4. I have been reading again the chapter of Kate's book called: 'Missing': significant in view of Redwood's new timeline and the e-fit pictures.

    She writes: on P 70
    'Obviously, we didn't want any of our children waking and wondering where we were even for a few minutes, and if the chances of that happening seemed remote, it was enough of a concern to make us absolutely prompt with our checks on the kids. That is why Gerry and I were subsequently able to be so accurate about timings.
    After ordering his food, Gerry left to do the first check at 9.05 by his watch.'

    She goes on: 'Madeleine was lying there, on her left hand side, her legs under the covers, in exactly the same position as we'd left her'. In would-be lyrical style she continues about how Gerry thought how beautiful she was, how he then went to the bathroom, and how outside he met Jes Wilkins, a guy from his tennis group, pushing his own child in a buggy.

    She continues: 'At 9.30pm I stood up to go and make our second check. Almost simultanously, Matt got to his feet to see to Grace. As his apartment was right next door he offered' etc...'When Matt returned he reassured us ,"All quiet". At 10 pm I went back to the apartment myself'... and we all know what she found, or didn't find.

    Martin Smith and his family are not named in the book. These totally independent witnesses are somewhat skated over, though they are correctly said to have seen someone carrying a child less than 50 minutes after Jane Tanner's sighting of Bundleman (a sighting which seems to have been an ever variable and moveable feast). She writes: 'They commented that the man did not look comfortable carrying the child, as if he wasn't used to it'. The key statement made by Martin Smith appears just above this comment section.

    How much else is in this book is fabrication? Kate speculates about whether the abductor sedated all three children, a 'tea stain' on Madeleine's clothing is discussed.

    Kate writes that the tennis session that Redwood says she attended was for the men only, and that she stayed home, had a shower, and that David Payne popped in and saw them all there, and went back to tell Gerry they were not after all coming down to the courts. Huh?

    'Madeleine' is a very turgid, self justificatory and rather nasty read. Mrs Fenn is described scathingly as having 'a plummy voice'. A woman who tried to comfort her 'smelled of cigarettes' and was drunk ... Some key people simply do not appear at all. Despite the title, there is hardly anything about Madeleine herself.


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  5. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100241245/madeleine-mccann-the-police-are-hunting-for-a-needle-in-a-haystack-should-we-really-be-drawn-into-this-circus/

    isar

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  6. from the above Telegraph piece:

    quote:

    Two e-fits have been produced this morning. According to police they are of the same man. But in fact, they are of two men. Their hair is different. Their eyebrows are different. Their noses are different. Their ears are different. Their lips are different. Their cheekbones are different.

    But we’re all part of the circus now. So we say nothing.

    The images of the “man” are being broadcast because, according to police, he represents a crucial lead. But if you listen harder you realise that’s not what the police are saying at all. Yes, a spokesman claimed, it was of “vital importance” the man in the images is identified and interviewed. But he then conceded that he “may or may not be key”. According to Det Ch Insp Andy Redwood “Whilst this man may or may not be the key to unlocking this investigation, tracing and speaking to him is of vital importance to us.”

    He may be the key. He may not be the key. In the same way you or I may be the key, or may not be the key. But we are definitely part of the circus. So we say nothing.

    unquote

    isar

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  7. Thank you isar had already read that piece earlier, and shared, very good and realistic opinion article. Weirdest day today... Too many speculations, too many expectations, very few facts. Jo.

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  8. If you have a copy of Kate's book to hand... and don't we all... open the back cover, where you will find on the dust jacket, a full face pic of Gerry. It is about the right size to match to the e-fits currently all over the net. Try it next to the fuller faced one. What do you see?

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  9. kate mc cann in crimewatch interview says we not ones to blame who was it that left three young kids alone in apartment

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  10. Been checking since last night, nothing, no updates, no e-fits, except the BBC Crimewatch trailer http://www.findmadeleine.com/ same with their twitter account, and facebook page.

    Why aren't they using MPS e-fits?

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  11. Its still amazes me that the press and tv shows they go on, never question them in detail about the dinner and the lack of sight towards the apartment and the amount they drank. Never question to how sky news had it so quickly , when many children turn up safe after a hour or two. Never question Kate on her story the shutters were up and lack of finger prints , this is why they say Madeline was taken and by someone who had noticed her previously. Any random person wouldn't " have taken such care". Six years on and none of their friends have giving a in dept interview, and in a era of social media and so on this is strange as well. Once againTh e McCanns won't be asked about the change in time line, tanner won't be asked to give her description of her faceless man, or Gerry positioning himself on the oposite side of the road to what A witness has said.. No other people involved in such carry on would be allowed to change their story , refuse to answer questions, refuse to go back with for a reconstruction of a crime and be believed with out a doubt by the English media .

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  12. To me, one of the efits looks like Gerry McCann. I tried superimposing it on a picture of GM and it is a much closer fit, than the second efit image is to the first .

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  13. quote"What I fail to understand is how the most significant piece of information provided by Mr. Smith, who saw a man carrying a child in his arms on the night of 3 May, 2007, which according to today's news reports lead to the creation of one of the e-fits, was suppressed.

    Why? " un quote


    Why indeed! There seems to be no rhyme or reason for it.

    It is worth remembering The Smith Family are totally INDEPENDANT witnesses. And they had to endure "real press intrusion" and were harassed. Who gave out the Smiths details? and why?
    I admire their steadfastness and dignity during this whole 'circus'.

    Am I right in thinking that TM noted that the 'Smiths' sighting could not have been Gerry- because of THEIR timeline (the ever changing one) made Gerry out to be in another area? The Smiths Timeline can be proved as they have a receipt to say they were where they were at that time... where as Gerry....

    Interesting having the timeline changed, could it place Gerry in view of the Smiths? could it have been Gerry that Jane Tanner saw? So many questions...

    Signed
    Miss Taken Identity

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  14. I said years ago that they would have to alter the timeline, and now they it seems they have!

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  15. So much rubbish... so much provable as rubbish too! Say something often enough and people will come to believe you? Nah! Not a bit of it!

    I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I'm an Occam's Razor, KISS man. I do not believe two downmarket docs can possibly get away with not answering questions as all and sundry others, however rich and famous, have to (and by George this pair are both, by now, faux celebs on account of their child's disappearance and the pennies and half-crowns given by the public, ostensibly to look for their daughter, but spent on lawyers extradition, lawyers libel, PR, crooked unskilled 'searchers', reputation managers and the like ). It will all go pear-shaped in the end and it will make look foolish and/or corrupt those who churned out all the rubbish.

    We've had a change of government, so no skin off this PM's nose to get to the REAL bottom of this case. Who is so much bigger in an era when even Jimmy Savile was got in the end? Surely not a royal? Who else is big enough?

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  16. I'll tell you this if they totally contradict Kate's statement of events in her book in tonight's revelations, then I'm sorry this will be getting pointed out that Kate and Gerry McCann lied through their teeth on the true times of the events given to the Portuguese Police at the time of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. To mislead the police and public for money is both a crime and fraud and should be taken to task. Too much has been ignored to suit their agenda and corruption of facts. So Kate and Gerry. Every part of tonight's timeline better match your book. Both of you should never be allowed to keep children. Both are a disgrace to the term parent as they have used the life and memory of a precious 3 year old to obtain fame and notoriety. Madeleine McCann we are your voice. Justice is being fought for on your behalf. God Bless Madeleine Beth McCann. Truth will win.

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  17. Your welcome Jo,

    and what a circus indeed. I suppose the 'revolution will not be televised' - tonight..

    I had some hope re. the Crimewatch programme until I learnt that a) G&K would not take part in the re-re-reconstruction and b) that said reconstruction was filmed in and around a villa in Spain - thus rendering its value zilch at best. But we shall see.

    The NSY investigation was authorised by May/Cameron - and 5 million sterling - out of the UK public purse, has been spent on it. (Not forgetting for a second the millions spent by the Portuguese state/people on the investigation) Interesting to see what all that money and effort has yielded in furthering a solution to this case.

    Am surprised Nesbitt is on the scene for SKY at the mo - and not Brunty.

    If memory serves, there was a British style pub (the Bull?) in Luz when I went there in 2008 close to the rocky part of the beach - west of the the church. What a dilemma for the landlord and staff tonight - to show the programme on satellite TV or not.

    BTW there's a SKY News Madeleine special scheduled for tomorrow 2030 hrs GMT.

    The circus moves on

    isar

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  18. For those outside the UK, download this program http://www.expatshield.com/ to get an UK IP address attributed to your PC so you can watch Crimewatch at 21 GMT here http://www.bbc.co.uk/tv/bbcone/live

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  19. 'You're' welcome Jo of course - apols

    isar

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  20. In case you are not in the UK/familiar with the Crimewatch programme:

    The main programme airs from 2100 hrs - 2200 hrs. GMT

    But there is also a follow up item from 2235 - 2245 entitled Crimewatch Update: 'responses to the earlier programme' - which usually reflects any incoming calls/e-mails etc.

    (all on BBC 1)

    isar

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  21. @number 15 fantastic question, who?

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  22. At the moment, the their timeline does not allow for an abduction. Is the timeline to be altered so that an abduction can be considered as a possibility?

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  23. I think Brunty is down South, at least he was very recently according to this well thought 'infographic'? No idea what to cal that. http://news.sky.com/story/1154336/madeleine-mccann-appeal-falls-flat-in-portugal

    I'm not optimistic, either way, about this sudden hastiness and unexpected changes being fed to the media, they seem to announce a premature end of the SY investigation.
    I admit that I never trusted the review particularly because of what we learned regarding its starting point in the Leveson inquiry, and what that implied, but now it seems that some pressure is being applied to wrap up the investigation, to rush things. All in my opinion obviously as a spectator. This case has suffered too many political pressures, and that is one of the reasons that we are still here, today, waiting for…?

    This could also explain the coincidence of the trial and the "urgent" necessity of doing the appeal/broadcast at concurrent times, I could be totally wrong of course. Notice the sense of emergency of this comment by AR, "This case has now gone on for far too long and we need to bring some closure. If this is you, please call us." And the constant references by journalists who are likely in the know about the expenses so far. Maybe I’m seeing/reading too much into this :)

    Time will tell.
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    Thank you for those extra information, see you soon.

    Jo.

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  24. Please excuse being a little off topic. I have not as yet had time to sit down an digest all that you have written Joana but will do shortly. But before it escapes my memory and regarding the libel trial.

    I cannot recall which of the witnesses for the McCanns said it but at least one of them did - voiced that the documentary based on G. Amaral's book depicted the McCann group sitting at a dining table drinking as though drunks.

    I have just seen a 'still' of the Met/Crimewatch programme and it is in the same vein as that of the documentary based on Maddie a Verdade da Mentira - the McCanns sitting at a dinner table, wine glasses etc.

    Rather spoils their argument in this regard for the libel trial.

    Cheers

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  25. @24 You're absolutely right, well spotted :) Thank you

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  26. Latest AR on Guardian Online Vid - "Very close to the apartments in P' da' Luz" is dubbed and badly edited, now why would that be?

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  27. Channel 4 News, UK this evening (14 Oct) the McCann story news reporter said (I paraphrase) " the story is slowly being rewritten", how true that is. Mr Redwood was interviewed and when asked whether the investigation would be a long hard slog (I paraphrase) he replied that it was hard work but he would not speculate on the time it would take, with a smile, or perhaps a smirk. IMO Astonishing.

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  28. OK - 27 minutes of my life I won't get back

    Revelations - what revelations??

    Tanner's (inaudible flip flops) observation was being accommodated - to give breathing space to the Smith sighting - without embarrassing her (it's a pact, as we know)

    - blurry E-fits followed.

    Lots of mood music emphasising the anguish of the parents

    That was not factual journalism - that was fluff

    and yet another disservice to Madeleine

    epic fail - NSY & BBC & Cameron & May

    isar

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  29. @25 Joana

    No problem - Perhaps they will now sue Andy Redwood!


    Regards
    l-azzeri

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  30. Custom made reconstruction...What a load of rubbish...The McCanns dictating the rules of the game. Poor Scotland Yard!

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  31. we're back to square one

    correction:

    we're still at square one

    unless/until Madeleine is found or one or more of the Tapasniks and their ludicrous timeline cracks - whatever happens first.

    Or until the seven trumpets are sounded - which would of course mark the start of revelations.

    isar

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  32. WTF was that? 5 million pounds and we get probabilities? 2 years and the best SY got was 2 lousy e-fits? The black and white ones, are from the Judiciary Police files! Where's the factual reconstruction of events? The cadaver dogs? Solving the conflicting statements of the Tapas 9? All those people 'lurking' around - except the "tourist" that is now attributed to have been seen by Jane Tanner - of which there are sketches were already dismissed by the Judiciary Police investigation! 2 years?!! Really? So the big revelation, breakthrough is a man that could have been the one that Jane Tanner saw? I better stop typing now, this is revolting!

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  33. So we had a white-wash tonight on the Beeb - or should that be magnolia-wash as it was all so homely and wholesome - sofa and hand-holding included - I just hope that when G&K go to Munich to do the equivalent show in Germany: 'XY ungelöst' on Wednesday there will be a certain Sabine Mueller in the studio.

    Remember her?

    'In a shocking slur, German reporter Sabine Mueller asked Kate and Gerry McCann: "How do you feel that more and more people seem to imply you might have something to do with it?"

    Appalled Kate, 38, replied: "I don't think that's the case." Angry Gerry, 39, added: "There's no way Kate and I are involved."

    That's asking the pertinent questions - not pussy footing around with the semi royal doctors.

    It's about Madeleine's fate - NOT about G&K feeling hard done by.

    isar


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  34. @33 shut up you weirdo, Joana is doing a brilliant job of keeping us informed of what is "really" happening, not bias reporting from our disgusting press and media who only protect that cold calculating greedy couple for a reason i can only understand is they have some dirt on someone very high profile and powerful, hence their protection.

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  35. I don't know why everyone is criticising Scotland Yard; I think they did pretty well when you consider that they were ordered to do something that flies in the face of logic. The McCanns can now say that they cooperated with the police and that they did a reconstruction. Well done Scotland Yard!

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  36. Crimewatch Update as we speak:

    'hundreds and hundreds of calls/Redwood: overwhelming support/e-fits of the same man walking down to the sea shown again/fair haired men - one or two men lurking around the apt. on or before the day of the disappearance very important'



    that's it - Redwood's done and can now dream about his OBE

    isar

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  37. Its about time a petition stating all the inaccuracies and lies and discrepencies. should be raised and sent to the PM and the Commander in charge o SY. Amaral wanted to bring the Smiths to Portugal but was moved from the investigation, he always believed they were reliable witnesses. This charade has gone on to long, the press wont listen so go to the top with a list and make an online petition, I think it has to be someone who lives in the UK. If something is not uncovered soon, it will be closed and put to bed, and los MCs will continue to play happy families. Looking at twitter theres a lot of pro Mcs out in force. Also why haven't the tapas and the gaspers and all been brought in to testify, there was a time when the police said jump you jumped....no choice. Glad the libel trial is on a short break it will all time for this farce to settle.

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  38. Lol @34, just removed the comment at @33, clicked allow all comments at same time without reading that lunatic, she does try to harass me here and on youtube with multiple accounts, only solution is to block her.

    BBC online now http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01jqssz if anyone wished to (re)view it

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  39. They continue to try to muddy the waters, now Tanner's sighting has been 'parked out of the light' - I want an apology from all the nutters who claimed she had seen Madeleine carried away! Kate still claims that the curtain was blown by the wind and that farcical 'woosh'.

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  40. @metpoliceuk just tweeted this https://www.thinglink.com/scene/446424890740834306

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  41. 37, Tony Bennett tried that and was prosecuted for it!

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  42. Since Tanner's eggman is now ruled out, which never was...... she must be embarrassed. It leaves the Smith sighting as plausible and they believed it was McCann. Nothing new at all, and there never will be until the Tapas people are questioned by the police, or one of them decides to reveal some information.

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  43. The Crimewash programme was a travesty.

    Among the many gross factual errors was the claim that "everyone" had committed to the timeline suggested by the (now debunked) Jane Tanner sighting. How could the Police allow that to be stated (don't tell me they didn't have a right of review of the programme output). Goncalo Amaral, who led the Police investigation, never for one moment considered the JT sighting to be genuine.

    Did the McCanns apologise in any way whatsoever on their own behalf and behalf of their "private investigators" for INSISTING for the last 5 years that the JT sighting was genuine? No.

    Why didn't the Crimewash programme indicate how the "Irish family" first came to make the connection between their sighting and the McCann case...clue: they saw a news item on TV as they arrived back in Ireland.








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  44. Maybe DCI Redwood is being disingenuous. He has posted an e-fit which looks remarkably like GM thus giving a higher profile to the Smith's sighting than ever before. The second, different e-fit, which he rather daftly claims is the same man, allows him to publish the GM lookalike without appearing to accuse GM. He has debunked the eggman sighting, without actually humiliating Ms Tanner any further. DCI Redwood is a very clever policeman. He will be closely watching the reactions of those around him....

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  45. Lest we forget - relaxed parenting is now acceptable

    Re: David Cameron, who bankrolled the McCann white wash tonight -

    Guardian 11 June 2012:

    'David Cameron left his eight-year-old daughter in the pub following a Sunday lunch, after a mix-up with his wife Samantha, Downing Street has admitted.

    The couple's daughter Nancy wandered off to the toilets while they were arranging lifts and they only realised she was not with them when they got home, the Sun said.

    The prime minister rushed back to the Plough Inn in Cadsden, Buckinghamshire, where he found his daughter with staff.

    A Downing Street spokesman said: "The prime minister and Samantha were distraught when they realised Nancy wasn't with them.

    "Thankfully when they phoned the pub she was there safe and well. The prime minister went down straight away to get her." Downing Street said the incident happened "a couple of months ago".'

    isar

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  46. Well, that all fitted up.. erm fitted in perfectly. Jane Tanner can now sleep easy that she did see a man .but NOT the abductor. I have been saying for years she didn't see any abductor- the whole internet is awash with people saying she never saw an abductor- Gerry and Jeremy , also on that road, never saw her OR the abductor So SOMEONE was lying. Clever move. So back to the blonde men- and curtains going whooooooooooooooooosh. You would have thought they could provide a piece of action showing these' burglars/abductors/gypsies/paedophiles- entering and leaving the apartment.. VIA THE WHOOOSHING WINDOWS.

    There were many phone calls- no arrests as predicted- no new news just old stuff readjusted. but now they have names!!!! well we can look forward to arrests very soon!
    Signed
    Miss Taken Identity

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  47. I wanted with all my heart to see the curtains go woosh woosh, in the reconstruction,
    Kate loves her woosh, she is all wooshed up.

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  48. tabula rasa:

    the McCanns have a very sound idea of who (if anyone) took Madeleine (WoC anyone?/Olegário de Sousa: 'Gerry is the biological father of Madeleine/no motive of revenge'.)

    They also had a person(s) with local knowledge & transport to facilitate the spiriting away of the child - someone with access to multiple properties in the area.

    If TEAM McCann think tonight's little diversion show on BBC1 has done their credibility any favours - they should think again.

    Not off the hook yet - not by a long chalk - and Average Joe - who doesn't read the forums and blogs will not get hoodwinked by this little televisual treat either.

    Answering the 48 questions truthfully, Kate - may be a start.

    Either that or Madeleine did indeed wake and wander and fell down one of those enormous ditches/trenches in Luz centre at the time - to be covered up the next morn - fine - dig it all up again (Cameron should foot the bill) It'll be darn less than 5 million for the 'Hello' style fishing expedition - we 'enjoyed' tonight.

    Whatever - G&K should ditch the Laura Ashley pretence and constant showboating -
    It's NOT about them, it's about the kid.

    isar

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  49. 44- Redwood is a clever policeman?

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  50. Team McCann's effort to get the world to finally TRUST them

    was merely rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic

    Crimewatch: all bluster/no substance

    isar

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  51. As others here have said, and I am glad I am not alone in the view, we never believed the bundle man claim and even McCann himself tried to undermine it in a blog entry where his timing of seeing Madeleine clashed with Tanners claim. The question now is this, did Tanner actually see Gerald carrying Madeleine - but not at the time she thought it was (not at the same time that Gerald was meeting Wilkins)? Did Gerald take Madeleine somewhere away from the apartment for temporary storage until they could later recover her and get her to Huelva acid beds for disposal? For Redwood to claim that it is new to look at other times is nonsense, a good policeman considers many different possible scenario's and they would definitely have considered the possibility of Tanners alleged sighting not taking place when she said it did, as Wilkins would have seen her and McCann had to admit he didn't see bundle man or challenge Wilkins. So Redwood claiming new evidence is tosh - but he knows it and he know's we know it. I have my fingers crossed that he is playing the long game and is playing the McCann's. There is no way those two e-fits are the same person, they are of no value if they are claimed to be - they do not even look related, let alone the same man!

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  52. From the Guardian article on the Crimewatch programme: "A parallel part of the inquiry concerns reports of blond men, sometimes alone or as a pair, loitering in areas near the McCanns' flat on 2 and 3 April 2007 [sic!]." Makes a nice change from the swarthy, Mediterranean gypsy-type pock-marked criminal - now we have half naked blonde Germanic abductors - but strangely, both types of criminals make a habit out of loitering conspicuously near the planned crime scene. LoL

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  53. 20.000 pounds forth truth (Met offering). I bet the McCanns will come forward. So many invoyces to be payed!

    I wonder what is behind all of that.

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  54. Perhaps Jane Tanner told the truth, exchanging it for being cleaned by the police.

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  55. https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1378817_10152003600465839_1010237495_n.jpg

    Look-alikes... :)

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  56. This new focus on the McCanns and the subsequent creation of a Crimewatch show is not to do with the libel trial. It is because of the recent revelations about Diana being murdered. This is the exact same pattern as 2007/2008 when all the key dates matched situations in the Diana Inquest and appearances from Prince Charles and Gerry's meeting with Bonnie Prince Charlie at the Policeman's Ball in 2007. This is about MI6 and the Diana coverup. The Diana murder recently hit the news about a month ago. Gerry still knows too much 6 years on and the coverup has to continue except it looks more stupid with the passage of time. In 10 years they'll be folding the police file into origami shaped heads and putting them forward as e-fits. The whole thing is beyond a joke and Redwood and the others at SY should hang their corrupt heads in shame.

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  57. As recently as Sunday this story was in the Mirror: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-diana-ex-wife-soldier-who-2367737

    The story was surrounded by 3 Madeleine stories on that page detracting from the Diana story. The libel trial has nothing to do with the increased focus on Madeleine's pretend abduction. That is a conveniently contrived coincidence.

    MI6 know what they are doing but they look like blithering idiots thinking nobody can see through their ruse.

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  58. Hi Joana,
    Did you see yesterday's "Rua Segura" special on CM tv about Maddie? It lasted 150min! Hope you could watch it as it was really interesting as they covered covered all the angles of the PJ Files with the programm "Crimewatch". Rogerio Alves was one of the guest of the show and when asked about and of course he dismissed the dogs as a "farce"
    Kisses
    Lou

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  59. @ number 44 - this is how the best policemen operate.

    release the e fit - let loose the speculation. monitor all suepects' phone calls/ emails and put listening devices in all their houses/cars.

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  60. The only evidence of Abduction was the Tanner sighting. The evidence presented by Tanner was laughable. SY know this and have therefore dismissed it. They seem to give some credence to the Smith sighting but have dismissed this too because the Smiths seem to think that the person they saw was Gerry McCann walking towards the sea area.

    Interestingly, I heard on BBC Radio 5 Live this morning shortly before 9.00 am that an Operation Grange detective (not Redwood) whilst being interviewed mentioned that several people/potential witnesses called CW giving the same name of the person they saw carrying a young girl in the Smith sighting area. Who could this person be and how do they know that person's name? Interesting, very interesting.

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  61. crimewatch was just so stupid nothing new and after six years I still think mc cans are guilty are the running met now the will never be found out poor madeline I pray often for her Britain and david Cameron should be ashamed five million pounds for what nonsence shame on you

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  62. We believe Mr Smiths statement of what he saw on the night he saw McCann carrying Madeleine toward the sea. They must have found out about it and Mr Smith has been told to forget it. They must have done the same with the blood tests at the laboratory. Mitchell always find out and stop the truth of what has happened. Now where the Portugal have try to find out the truth they come out with all the lie stories. Mr Cameron trying to get the money from the taxpayers to help Mccanns and they very pleased. The government should shamed themselves to not stick to the truth, they should have find out to wait for the truth. The Portugal law should be very strict with Britain who has made Portugal look a bad country and should listen to people and Mr Amaral who speak the truth. If Portugal doesn't stop them people will always come with different stories from people who are not true witnesses but just want to make some money. We have seen the film but they left out so many facts. The government try very hard to be on Mccanns side, the Portugal shouldn't believe Britain they got a bad name and they stick together. One day they will come with a different story they have found Madeleine and she is a different girl, they should take tests to America to find out if it is her. All the story and film is not true most people believe she died in the flat. Please Portugal stop the people to come forward with lie stories, Mitchell is the one who find these people. The Portugal should believe what the people say they speak the truth and should read the story from America and the German people hate the Mccanns for getting them involved. Please Portugal law don't believe these people.

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  63. @58 No I didn't, using Zon not Meo as TV provider, did you by any chance recorded it? Obrigada.

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  64. At 56: Does this mean that the protection of royalty is behind this case too? I have never really thought about it before, but the British Royal Family is above the law isn't it? Does that mean they can't be prosecuted for crimes? If so, how far does that privilege extend and which members of the family are covered?

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  65. I am terribly disappointed by Crimewatch. We are not further along, no new evidence, nothing really but E Fits about People who might be important to the Investigation. The usual sensitive interview with the parents with no questions asked. I have always wanted to know why Kate ran out of the room when she saw that Maddy was gone and merrily left the twins! She insists that she KNEW that Maddy had been abducted but left the twins!! No mobile phone and no screaming from the balcony!! I guess the Tapas Bar was too far away (no matter how they insist they were only around the Corner) to hear her screams! Bizarre. No longer know what to think about the whole sad case. I expect this latest man will be another Tourist taking his child home!! Disgraceful that the UK media are already printing "Maddy's Abductor Named"!!! Good grief, who would want to come Forward (even someone who was just in the wrong place, at the wrong time) and be hit by the media Circus before anyone has any Facts at all!! Truly appalled.

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  66. Madeline Mc Cann deserves the truth to come out .I am amazed that the parents kept the other two siblings . What sedative drugs would any parent give a young child ,?sleep disorder or not. Why did the parents not have a polygraph test , then or even now? Guilt and lies ? story changes ,where is the truth?

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  67. I always felt they were guilty. However, I brought their book, I thought maybe I had been wrong in my thought. I wish I had never brought it at £20.00.

    I could'nt believe what she wrote, sometimes I had to reread, to make sure.

    It's all about her....



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