15 October 2014

English Police wishes to conduct further analyses (possibly in England)


National Institute of Forensic Medicine, Coimbra | photo André Barragon

The president of the Portuguese National Institute of Forensic Medicine (INML), Francisco Brízida Martins, said today in Coimbra, that the Scotland Yard detectives have expressed their wish to conduct further analyses to the collected evidence within the scope of the investigation to the Madeleine McCann case.

Scotland Yard have "expressed their wish to [make new analyses}", and the possibility of them being held in England or back at the National Institute of Forensic Medicine (INML) remains in the open, said Francisco Brízida Martins [pictured left], after a three-hour meeting with five elements of the British police, two of which, experts in genetics.

These analyses would have to be made ​​"within the context of judicial cooperation" between the Portuguese and the British authorities and requested in a new letter rogatory, explained the head of INML, stressing that, although some vestiges may not be suitable for further testing, "today", with the technological evolution "we can go beyond what was possible a few years ago."

The Scotland Yard detectives, who are developing a parallel investigation to the Portuguese authorities "wanted to understand the procedures of the genetic and biological examinations" performed at the INML back in 2007, he said.

"There was a recognition of the work of the institute," and the INML "is available to carry out new [forensic] tests," he added.

The meeting between the British police and the institute began around 10:30am, in Coimbra, and ended at 13:30pm.

The Scotland Yard coordinator of the investigation to the Madeleine McCann case, Andy Redwood, refused to make any comments about the meeting with the members of the National Institute of Forensic Medicine.

The Scotland Yard detectives were gathered in a meeting, on Tuesday, with the PJ in Faro, three months after the last inquiries were made within the scope of the investigation to the Madeleine McCann case.

The British police was supposedly preparing new questionings to the suspects within this case, following the questioning of four arguidos and a dozen witnesses, back in July,.

In August, Scotland Yard handed the fifth letter rogatory the the Portuguese authorities, in order to conduct new investigations, which have not yet been authorized by the new prosecutor of the Public Ministry of Portimão.

Earlier in June, forensic British detectives, PJ and GNR officers performed several searches with sniffer dogs, at the lookout of Praia da Luz and in terrains at the entrance of the tourist resort of Aldeia da Luz.

Altogether, an area of ​​about 60 thousand square meters was investigated, including electricity, gas and sewage pipelines, buildings in ruins, with the help of sniffer dogs and "georadars", searches which proved to be fruitless.

Maddie McCann disappeared on May 3, 2007, from the bedroom where she was left asleep with her younger twin siblings, in an apartment of a tourist resort in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve.

in RTP w/ News Agency Lusa, 15 Oct. 2014

Related: PJ files on the Extinct Forensic Science Service (FSS) Report regarding sample destructions



Extract

JP: Hernâni, You have spoken a while ago about something public, that I myself don’t understand how it’s related to this: hairs?

HC: Yes. I don’t know if you remember this, of the times that we worked together on this case… In other times.

JP: At another place [referring to when her morning talk show was broadcast by TVI]

HC: Suddenly, Madeleine’s hairs where all over the place! Hairs were sent to the FSS, hairs were sent to the Lab, hairs were sent to the police, hairs everywhere.

GA: Too many hairs.

HC: Please explain, how is it possible for a child who disappeared to have so much hair?

GA: I don’t know, but it is a fact that there were several hairs, that were sent, and the conclusion is that they likely belonged to the child. Even the hairs that appeared in the boot of the car rented 20 days later [by the McCanns], they were sent to the FSS [Forensic Science Service]. Hairs that…

HC: Is it possible for me to have a hair and than say ‘this hair belongs to Mr. José António” [figure of speech]?

GA: I was about to explain that. The FSS stated that due to the hair tone, they belonged to Madeleine McCann, but that they couldn’t extract the DNA because the hairs did not have any roots. Nowadays, labs in Europe can actually extract DNA without the roots, and arrive to a conclusion, if the DNA belongs to that person or not. Furthermore, those hairs can help us understand if the child - like her grandfather said, some journalists also said that at the time - did take an antihistaminic in order to sleep at night. And then consider the influence that it could have produced. Those hairs, if they still exist and if they do belong to Madeleine, and if she was indeed – her siblings never woke up in that night – given, like her grandfather said in the English television; if the McCanns gave the children Calpol7 at night in order for them, or for the little girl to sleep… From that point on, we might be able to arrive to a conclusion regarding what happened. When they write in a book that the girl’s sleeping disorders had ended years ago, that is a lie, since the problems that concern that child, existed to the last day, to the day of her disappearance. And there is evidence that establishes that.

HC: Gonçalo, I have to tell you this, and you know that this is public. Since the beginning, I have always thought that it was very strange that Madeleine disappeared; but there were several conclusions that one could formulate particularly due to the other two children that did not disappear. However, there is a question – and we are already without time to continue – there is a question that I must ask: Who decided that the FSS should be the one, instead of any other forensic lab, to make all those analysis?

GA: The Police Directorate, we wanted to ‘trust’ in the English police…

HC: That is all that I wanted to know! Okay!

JP: [Laughs]

HC: It was just that. There are several excellent laboratories, famous all over the world in Switzerland, in…

GA: We didn’t want…

HC: …it had to be in England!

GA: It is similar to the non-arrival of the FBI, we didn’t want to create friction, a “diplomatic incident”.

JP: It was due to a diplomatic settlement that everything turned out the way it did.

GA: It is due to diplomacy that we are now here.

HC: Thank you, Gonçalo.

JC: I thank Gonçalo Amaral - who was truly committed to this case - for coming here today, for clarifying and for providing us with information regarding some aspects of this case.

in Maddie Case: Gonçalo Amaral returns to Praia da Luz - SIC - Querida Júlia [Dear Júlia], Morning Talk Show, broadcast by SIC, February 17, 2012

16 comments:

  1. No - No - No... The Uk plod will fuk it up, contaminate it and lose it

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  2. Oh yes, I bet they would love to get their hands on that evidence and perhaps it will get 'lost' like the FSS.

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  3. Kick out SY from Portugal , the crime was committed in Portugal and the UK has no business poking their nose in Portuguese law enforcement . If SY are so concerned lets hear the jesters question the Parents and the Tapas 7 , maybe start by asking them why they refused to answer the 48 questions Portuguese Police put to them 7 years ago? As for the forensic evidence Portugal has in this case under no circumstance should it be given to Andy and his band of clowns . This case stinks to high heaven , maybe its time the people round the world protested about how SY is handling this case and let the Portuguese Police catch the criminals on Portuguese Soil that includes "responsible" parents who go out drinking leaving babies on their own at home ! Its time the mccanns are taken in to answer the questions they refused to answer 7 years ago it would be the money that SY has wasted sound put to good use after all .

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  4. Why would anyone NOT want to revisit the forensics? Why the hostility?

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  5. I believe in the fullness of time it will be discovered that the McCann couple handed their daughter to an unknown person with the intent of never seeing her again.

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  6. a bit away from the topic but i wonder that as in the cases of cyril smith and jimmy saville in england both protected by coverups and by people who now say they knew nothing at the time of any of their conduct now if the maccanns ever be convicted will it be possible for those who have supported them to use the same excuse

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  7. Citius is up and running, the new judicial map has been implemented and therefore the trial against Mr. Amaral will soon be underway and of course Scotland Yard and the McCann entourage are on the offensive once again. Apparently it is in the interest of the English media to pressure the new prosecutor to do everything possible to solve the case, i.e to grant SY's every wish. Isn't this a clear indication that SY and the English media are working in concert? And do people actually believe that if SY was conducting an honest investigation they would resort to such tactics? When SY gets through with this affair it will be very difficult for this case to ever be prosecuted and the Portuguese are lending a hand.

    I posted a couple of comments on a Guardian article regarding Mrs. Brenda Leyland. I mentioned that the British media had distorted the facts, withheld the facts and resorted to character assassination of those whose opinion didn't conform to the abduction story. This other poster mockingly asked me to enlighten him, so I did. Well, I guess he wasn't expecting me to respond, because he went off the deep end, attacking the Portuguese media, the Portuguese police, Portugal itself and of course myself. He even went as far as telling me to go away with my biased opinions. Before I had a chance to respond the commentaries for the article had been closed. I clicked on this person's profile and realized that he or she had made an inordinate amount of comments on this particular article. I almost lost my patience counting them all, I believe he or she made about 115 comments or thereabouts. Yeah, they are all out in force pushing for the finish line, the final wash.

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  8. Perhaps Joana can help. 3+ people as arguidos and more DNA tests.

    Can DNA be taken from arguidos without their consent?

    If not, I'm at a loss to explain what might be matched in a new analysis, whether in England or in Portugal.

    (Sorry for being Anonymous, I'm shininginluz.wordpress.com but I can't get the system here to accept me. Oops!)

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  9. IT'S ALL LINKED IN...

    Guerra said... "I believe he or she made about 115 comments or thereabouts. Yeah, they are all out in force pushing for the finish line, the final wash."

    Very good points as usual Guerra!

    :d Incidentally, the technical term is not "whitewash" but "reputation management" but you know that.

    Some of the virtual technologies they us go the the name of "e-Fluentials" and "Crowdverb". What you saw in the "Guardian" is but one example.

    Check Clarence Mitchell's Burson-Marsteller for details of these technologies.

    http://burson-marsteller.eu/2008/06/e-fluentials-the-power-of-online-influencers/

    http://www.burson-marsteller.com/bm-blog/direct-impact-acquires-digital-mobilization-firm-crowdverb/

    While you are at it check this one as well:

    https://www.conservatives.com/OurTeam/Prospective_Parliamentary_Candidates/Mitchell_Clarence.aspx

    I guess this explains the role of Scotland Yard in all this. Remember they were ordered to march into Portugal by David Cameron (...)

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/may/13/madeleine-mccann-case-pm-police

    I could tell you about the Chipping Norton Set as well I suspect you know that too.


    Sue Sky

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  10. "Scotland Yard detectives have expressed their wish to conduct further analyses to the collected evidence within the scope of the investigation to the Madeleine McCann case."

    Oh! My God! Do not allow these clowns anywhere near those samples! That is an ACE you shoud keep for when the time comes.

    They are trying to divert, mix-up, obfuscate and destroy all evidence that might incriminate the McCanns - obviously!

    Sue Sky

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  11. KATE & GERRY DONATE £10,000 TO LOCAL CHARITY...

    Judge Melo e Castro please take note ...

    http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/n10501-we-are-very-grateful-to-dr-gerry-mccann-a-cardiologist



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  12. I dont get it.
    A girl was reported missing.
    No crime is proven.
    (probaly dead), but nothing proven.
    So...
    Not even happened in the UK?
    Well, many UK keypersons it seems in this story..

    You cant seem to trust the UK dogs Gerry knows for sure..
    It is not even proven murder..
    Only missing..
    It must be great to know the UK make such effords to protect their vunerable ones..
    Abroad..

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  13. @11 The despicable duo have just made themselves look like fools with that "donation" , or was it the Pink Ponce trying to get em "celebrity" status but really drop em in shite? Were these two not swanning round the world with a begging bowl getting "donations" for their "fund" , the very "fund" created to help them look out for their "missing" child ? I hope the Portuguese Judge takes notice of this as well as SY and instead of chasing fairies , they hand over the despicable duo and their mates to the Portuguese Police for questioning . While they are at it they should get the pink ponce on the flight too , the man speak with forked tongue , as the spirit of my ancestors would say .

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  14. #11 and #13

    £10K only? Carter-Ruck just got 55K for them from The Times Newspapers and there is much more in the Fund and more to come!

    No wonder Madeleine is known to "conspiracy theorists" as "The Chicken of the Golden Eggs"

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  15. Diane aka MoonGoddess on JKH ForumFriday, October 17, 2014 2:39:00 pm

    Thank God in heaven above for the likes of whom write, and comment on this blog... you are true Angels, and I am grateful because it helps restore my sanity in knowing that there are likeminded souls 'out there'.... PRAYING for you all in your fight for JUSTICE x

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  16. About forensics that the Portuguese Police should keep guard of; what happened to the floor tiles from behind the sofa? I read years ago that after the dogs alerted to the smell of blood and cadaver behind the sofa, the tiles were dug up and taken away.
    I hope that the 'away' doesn't mean the floor tiles have disappeared. They are crucial evidence and should have reappeared long before now.

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