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Interview with Gonçalo Amaral: Cadaver was frozen or kept in the cold

Exclusive Interview with Gonçalo Amaral: Cadaver was frozen or was kept in the cold

Gonçalo Amaral regrets that a 'fact-finding inquiry (sindicância) to the investigation was done". In the first interview where he talks about the process, he defends that Maddie died at the Ocean Club. The book is launched today in Lisbon and promises to re-launch controversy.

Interview with Gonçalo Amaral in Correio da Manhã today

“The investigation was syndicated”

Gonçalo Amaral laments that “the investigation was syndicated”. In the first interview during which he speaks about the process, he defends that Maddie died at the Ocean Club. The book is launched in Lisbon today and promises to launch the controversy again

Correio da Manhã – As the case investigator, what is your thesis?

Gonçalo Amaral – The little girl died in the apartment. Everything is in the book, which is faithful to the investigation until September: it reflects the understanding of the Portuguese and the English police and of the Public Ministry. For all of us, until then, the concealment of the cadaver, the simulation of abduction and the exposure or abandonment were proved.

What led you to indict the McCanns over all of those crimes?

It all starts with an abduction theory that is forced by the parents. And the abduction is based on two facts: one is Jane Tanner’s testimony that says she saw a man passing in front of the apartment, carrying a child; the other is the bedroom window, which, according to Kate, was open when it should have been closed. It was proved that none of that happened.

How was it proved?

Jane Tanner is not credible: she identifies and recognizes different people. She starts with Murat, later on someone else is mentioned, according to the drawing done by a witness, and she already says that is the person, completely different from Robert Murat.

Jane Tanner’s testimony drove the abduction theory.

In order to advance into that direction, it would be necessary to give her credit: there was no other indicium of the abduction. And the issue of the bedroom window, where Maddie and her siblings slept, is vital. It leads to simulation. This means, whether or not it was open when Jane says that she saw the man carrying the child. The little girl’s mother, Kate, is the only person that mentions the open window.

Does that undo the abduction theory?

There lies the solution. To be closed or not, is a strong indicium for simulation. And why does one simulate abduction, rather than simply saying that the child has disappeared? She could have opened the door and left…

Do Kate’s fingerprints reinforce the simulation theory?

They are the only fingerprints on the window. And in a position of opening the window.

Did Kate have suspicious attitudes?

She goes out for dinner and supposedly leaves three children asleep. She returns, one is missing, she goes out, leaving the window wide open with the twins asleep. And the night, according to what she says, was very cold…

What about Maddie’s bed?

It carries no signs that anyone was in it. Nor does the chair or the bed under the window. And there are no imprints from strangers.

The reconstitution is missing.

It was not carried out 10 or 15 days after the facts, because the resort was full of tourists. We trusted that it could be carried out at a later date. It couldn’t.

Did you request data about the group?

At 8 a.m. on the 4th, the request was made to the English liaison officer, but [the data] never arrived.

What did you want to know?

Who the people are, their antecedents. And the child, whether or not there are complaints against the parents or others. How she behaved in school, to find out if she was the target of abuse.

How important is the Irish witness within the case?

He explained where he and his family had seen, at 10 p.m. on the 3rd of May, a man carrying a little girl. And it wasn’t Murat. They did not see the face, but they described the athletic and clumsy manner in which he carried the child.

That was back in May.

When the McCanns returned to England, the witness, watching Gerry get off the plane and walking across the asphalt carrying his child, had a realization. By the manner in which he walked and the clumsy way that he carries the child, he is 70 to 80 percent certain that it was the person he saw that evening. Says he and say the other members of the family.

What did you do?

On the days before I left Portimão we were taking care of that trip to Portugal. Then, the hearing of that witness was requested through a liaison officer from the Irish police in Madrid, which took months. During that time, the witness was approached by persons that are connected to the McCanns’ staff, I don’t know with what intention. They felt pressured. Later on, the hearing arrived and he maintains the probability of 70 to 80 percent that it was Gerry who carried the little girl towards the beach.

Couldn’t that have been included in the rogatory letter?

It could and it should. The ideal would have been for him to come to Portugal, as a key witness. Just like the couple of doctors that describe the situation in Mallorca.

Once the abduction theory was set apart, how was the death theory built?

With the elements that exist, we could only reach an accident, natural death, any cause without the intervention of another person. We were cementing evidence and advancing to understand what happened to the little girl’s body. Also based on information from the British lab, about residues that were found inside the car that was rented by the McCanns.

Where and how could they have hidden the body for over twenty days?

That was what we were trying to find out. Searching within their friends, because the couple had a lot of acquaintances. We tried to understand where the little girl could have been during those twenty something days.

Out of reach from the searches.

Yes. There was information that the couple had been seen walking towards a certain apartment block, we were trying to understand which apartment it was. Who had access to that apartment. But everything stopped.

How do you interpret that stopping of everything, when you left?

It almost looks as if the investigation was syndicated.

It was even said that the blood that was found was not human.

The dogs only smell human blood. The sample that is collected and taken to England, to be analysed with the Low Copy Number technique, is microscopic. The technique does not allow them to state whether it is blood or any other type of fluid – but it guarantees that it is human.

The family tried to justify itself.

Later on, a brother-in-law and a cousin of Kate said that they had carried steaks in the trunk that had thawed, even garbage, but no. The dogs follow neither garbage smell nor non-human blood. Then there is a witness, that was never heard, a jurist that lived next to the couple, in the second house [villa] outside of the apartment, saying that the car trunk was left open during the night, for airing. But maybe that was because of the garbage…

Within the theory of the parents’ involvement, can you reconstitute that night?

We had already concluded, long before the Irish witness, that if those persons were involved, there was only one possibility. It pointed towards the beach. Not only because of what [locations] they knew but also due to the terrain’s conditions. In that area, it is not easy to dig a hole. One either knows where holes already exist, or it is not possible, within a short time lapse, to decide where to place a corpse without knowing the area. If there was involvement, it would have been towards the beach area. Which is later corroborated by the Irish witness.

At the time when the Irish tourist reportedly saw Gerry, there are various witness statements that place the child’s father at the Ocean Club.

They are not credible. The employees are unable to tell at what time the persons were there, for how long each one of them stayed away when they say they went to the apartments. And the group is not credible. They say that on the previous nights, every 30 minutes, each one of them went to check only on his own children; but on that night, between 9.30 and 10 p.m., someone curiously goes to check that apartment, almost every five minutes, leaving the rest unchecked.

And what about Gerry?

He justifies some of the time with a trip to the toilet. That is not five minutes, then he meets another individual outside. Hence the need for the reconstitution. To find out how long it took them to get to the apartments, what route they walked, etc. A reconstitution that should be joint with the restaurant’s movement, because when it is said that they asked for the food from 9 p.m. onwards, there was one person who ordered a steak. And that steak was heated again because someone was not there. It is necessary to find out whose steak that was. He was away for a much longer time period…

An adult carrying a child, until the beach, how long [does it take]?

Fifteen minutes.

How was it possible for the apartment to be rented out after the crime?

The apartment was immediately fully contaminated by the parents’ action, before the police arrived. A complete fair was built there and at a certain point, dogs were demanded to come inside the house.

You admitted the possibility that the children had been given sedatives.

The twins, with the lights on, with the lights off, with a crowd of people going in and out, slept until 2 a.m., when they were carried into another apartment. Even then, they continued to sleep. That sleep is not normal.

But the Judiciária did nothing.

Once again, we were inhibited. We thought about asking the parents to test their hair, in order to understand whether there were sedatives, but as soon as it was found out, it would be said that we were suspecting the parents, and it was being avoided at all costs that it became public that those suspicions existed.

How is there room for speculation about the DNA tests? It was those results that allowed you to advance with the arguido status.

The speculation is done by the scientist who performs the test. He starts out by saying, in his preliminary report, that it was easy to say that it was Maddie. Then he raised other questions. Of course nobody can be accused, based on that data alone.

“The cadaver was frozen”

Correio da Manhã - What do you think happened to the body?

Gonçalo Amaral – Everything indicated that the body, after having been at a certain location, was moved into another location by car, twenty something days later. With the residues that were found inside the car, the little girl had to have been transported inside it.

How can you state that?

Due to the type of fluid, we policemen, experts, say that the cadaver was frozen or preserved in the cold and when placed into the car boot, with the heat at that time [of the year], part of the ice melted. On a curb, for example, something fell from the trunk’s right side, above the wheel. It may be said that this is speculation, but it’s the only way to explain what happened there.

If the body was hidden in the beach area first, was it always out of reach for the searches?

The beach was searched at a time when it is not known whether the body was still there. Using dogs, but sniffer dogs have limitations, like the salted water, for example. Later on, it may have been removed.

“We should have done phone tapping”

Correio da Manhã – Did you feel political pressure during the investigation?

G.A. – Inhibition. One of the mistakes was that we did not advance on this group with everything that legally was within our reach: Tapping, surveillance. It was necessary, for example, to recover the clothes that the little girl was wearing when she left the crèche to go home. There, we thought: if we go, it will immediately be said that we suspect the parents. That inhibition happened throughout time.

And that led you towards the abduction.

We had to prove that there was no abduction, in order to focus on those persons afterwards…

How does the pressure appear?

Right on the morning of the 4th of May, with a consul calling the embassy and saying that the PJ wasn’t doing anything. Then an ambassador. Next, an advisor and the English prime minister.

“Payne is the last one to see her”

Correio da Manhã – When do testimonies concerning David Payne’s behaviour indicating sexual practices with minors arrive?

Gonçalo Amaral – In May. Something went wrong with that group during a holiday: David Payne made revealing gestures concerning behaviour towards children. Even towards Maddie. We asked for information but it arrived after the 26th of October. They sent the information without giving it any importance.

What exactly did arrive?

A couple of doctors spent holidays in Mallorca, in 2005, with David Payne, the McCanns and another couple. The lady says she saw Payne with his finger in his mouth, making a movement in and out, while rubbing his nipple with the other hand. And he was talking about Maddie, next to her father. Those statements should have been given a different treatment by the police. It was relevant to access the information, about doctors, who are just as credible as anyone else.

What else remains unclear concerning David Payne?

He will be the last one to see Maddie alive after 5.30 p.m., when she leaves the crèche. He meets Gerry playing tennis and asks him about Kate and the children. Gerry answers that they are in the apartment and he goes there. He returns 30 minutes later. Kate says it was 30 seconds. There is something not quite right here.

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Pre-publication

The evidence and the results of the case

“Arriving this far, it is important to make a deductive summary about this case. Which means, to reject what is false; to set aside what cannot be proved, because it is insufficient; to consider as valid and certain what has been proved.

What is proved

Therefore:

1. The abduction theory is defended by Maddie’s parents since the first moment;

2. Within the group, only her parents stated that they observed the open window in the missing girl’s bedroom; the majority cannot witness it faithfully because they arrived at the apartment after the alarm was raised;

3. The only statement outside of the group that mentions the open window and the raised shutters comes from Amy, one of the Ocean Club’s nannies, who points her observation towards 10.20/10.30 p.m., which is some time after the alarm was raised and does not prove that it was open like that at the time when the crime happened;

4. The set of depositions and witness statements exposes a high number of imprecision, incongruence and contradictions – which, in some cases, may be typified as false testimonies. In particular, the key statement for the abduction theory, from Jane Tanner, which loses all credibility due to the fact that it successively evolved throughout various moments in time, becoming ambiguous and disqualifying itself;

5. There is a cadaver that has not been located, a conclusion that is validated by the English EVRD and CSI dogs and corroborated by the preliminary lab test results.

Certainties until October

“For me, and for the investigators that worked with me on the case until October 2007, the results that we reached were the following:
1. The minor Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A at the Ocean Club, in Vila da Luz, on the evening of the 3rd of May 2007;
2. An abduction was simulated;
3. Kate Healy and Gerald McCann are suspected of involvement in the concealment of their daughter’s cadaver;
4. Death may have resulted from a tragic accident;
5. There is indicia of neglect in the guard and safety of the children.”

“Decisive diligence was never carried out”

“The Smith family [Irish witnesses] is available to make a formal recognition. We had already contacted the Smith family, from Ireland, whose patriarch was prepared to travel to the Algarve, to give a new statement and for a formal recognition […] following the recognition that he had made on television of the man who on the 3rd of May, in Vila da Luz, walked towards the beach carrying a little girl, a little girl that they had recognized as being Madeleine McCann.

The man that the Smith were talking about was, with a high degree of certainty, Gerald McCann, who they had seen on the English television news, on the day that the McCann couple returned [on their definitive trip] to the United Kingdom. That man that came down the airplane stairs and walked on the asphalt, carrying a child, was apparently the same man who, on the evening of the 3rd of May, walked into the direction of the beach, carrying Madeleine, who seemed to be deeply asleep.

When the situation was presented to the National Director of the Polícia Judiciária [Alípio Ribeiro at that time], he agreed with what was being suggested to him, [namely] the coming to the Algarve, at our expenses, of the elements of the Smith family that were able to testify the facts.”

McCanns erased all the telephone calls

The calls on the couple’s mobile phones were erased, with the exception, in Kate’s case, of a call from her husband at 11.17 on that night of the 3rd of May, minutes after the disappearance was known. But this call is not registered on the mobile phone that belongs to Gerry, who erased all the phone calls of that day, presumably after he called Kate at that time. This fact, that was never clarified in terms of its motivation, intrigued the investigators.



Source: Correio da Manhã

For a peek on the yet to be published [it's 5 am] book 'Maddie, The Truth of The Lie' read Paulo Reis, Gazeta Digital today posts - small resumes are provided there.

Portuguese press today:

Dailys

24 Horas runs the full PJ report from pages 5 to 11- translated to English here in the blog on the 21st of July

Diário de Notícias on line has nothing on the McCanns, but the paper edition might have something

Jornal de Noticias reports that the McCanns Portuguese Lawyers are avidly reading Gonçalo Amaral's Book to find something to bring him to justice and that the McCanns want a copy in English of the Book. Maybe Gonçalo Amaral will send them a copy - and maybe with the fund money they can hire a translator?

Publico follows the waves or not when they are obliged to follow his masters voice for their own private agendas - no story today on the paper edition but on line they have Amaral's book and a report written in partnership with Lusa News Agency

Weekly Papers

SOL runs the book story in partnership with Lusa - very similar with the Publico, from yesterday

Expresso runs on the on line front page 'Child died in an accident at the apartment', date of yesterday

TV Channels

RTP .has several flash videos (*.FLV) on the latest news of the case, some of them reported by Sandra Felgueiras

SIC has several flash videos and a special report on the Madeleine Case, also on line is last night interview with the Attorney General who spoke on the Maddie case and other mediatic cases ongoing in Portugal

TVI reports that Clarence Mitchell blames Gonçalo Amaral - no video for that article - Real video files only

Portuguese Online papers, regional press, radio and other media are reporting on the Book and on the facts alleged by Mr. Gonçalo Amaral.

14 comments:

  1. "Jornal de Noticias reports that the McCanns Portuguese Lawyers are avidly reading Gonçalo Amaral's Book to find something to bring him to justice..."

    The McCann's want to bring Gonçalo Amaral to justice? The man who tried to find out what they did to her?

    Yeah, that just about sums them up doesn't it? All they're interested in is finding ways to make money from their daughter.

    I hope Gonçalo's book makes him rich and famous and gets his reputation back - and I hope British journalists read the book and ask some damning questions of them.

    I cannot believe Gonçalo, with his knowledge of the law, would write anything that would cause him to end up in the dock instead of them.

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  2. Joana, no DN, está um artigo sobre o Dr. Gonçalo Amaral na secção "Centrais"....

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  3. Joana, no need to spend their money on a translator. They should save for the mortgage. I'm summarising it on my blog so Mr Clarence Mitchell and the rest of the team can sue Mr Amaral quicker. And I'm not working for free. Generous soul or what? ;-)

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  4. This is all mind blowing stuff, intigguing and although what amara says is not concrete evidence I come he same conclusion as he, I will go one further, this is paedophila related and O'brien,Tanner And Payne are a active part of it...the abduction is a cover to stop the abuse on Madeleine being discovered.
    I am full of admiration for Amaral, I hope if he is sued he succesfully rebuffs it..In fact bet your life the McCanns will not sue him because they would have to prov what he said was untrue!!
    I hope people of Britain will rise up and demand answers as to why the pressure was put upon Amaral and his men, why the McCanns are being covered.
    I intend to state some pretty deflamatory comments upon the speakyourmind blog.

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  5. This gets worse doesn't it?

    So Gerry is Bundleman/Eggman. Maddie was taken to the beach etc., later recovered and frozen then transported in their hire car and all the time the scumbags were campaigning for money?

    Where did they take her? Obviously this is the question no one can answer or they'd have found her body by now.

    Jeez, words cannot describe this hideous duo.

    Please let Amaral's book open the can of worms and make all journalists seek the truth and get this pair behind bars.

    Why the hell are they getting away with this? There needs to be some protest marches outside Number 10. How can the NHS carry on allowing this man to work?

    FFS, something needs to be done - and pretty damn quick.

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  6. HOJE - 21h00 - RTP1
    GONÇALO AMARAL c/ Judite Sousa

    http://ww1.rtp.pt/multimedia/index.php?tv=1&tipo=ply

    abraço

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  7. Ontem já tive acesso ao livro,eu cidadã comum.Comecei a lê-lo e gosto da maneira como está escrito.
    É importante!

    Acontece que ontem eu não "estava gente" devido a um extremo cansaço físico por razões particulares.

    Mas assisti à entervista na 1;assisti às declarações na Sic

    e a 1 reportagem na I.

    *********+++++++++++********+++++++

    Estava tão cansada que ontem nem vim ao comp.

    Nem quando ,ouvi pasmada o fel do "raios,coriscos e trovões". So unfair,que injustiça e tanta maldadezinha.E pagam, para dizer só o que pensa pessoalmente.
    Disse e foi-se,pois está de "vacanças". Se tenho medo de ser mais clara?Tenho!É mau;é perigoso;ataca; se é tocado aí vem mais raios,coriscos e trovões.É um mete medo.Pode ser mau,muito mau o menino.É daqueles que não quer que lhe apontem os defeitos e os maus actos.Mas é do género "mauzinho e tortinho de todo"
    --------------------------------
    G.A., do que vi foi um verdadeiro SENHOR!Sabe como estar;sabe como dizer;sabe falar;sabe escrever.Tudo com muito bom senso.
    Porque cautela e caldos de galinha sempre fizeram bem. E sabe tão bem ver pessoas educadas;falando num tom calmo e educado.

    Ao contrário daqueles que logo na facies revelam a snobeira e o fel extremo.

    Anónima,pois não!Puxa!Tenho medo do menino m.

    Anónimamente acabo.Puxa!

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  8. Muito provavelmente,1 AVISO a ter em conta:(vem no Proud)

    De 1 comentário bo Blog de Cláudia.

    Será 1 AVISO:

    Fiona Payne And Dr David Payne Virus Warning

    I've just found this by alan69 on 3A

    "I googled Payne and his wife. After 10 minutes of googling around I found and then downloaded a Word file from a legitimate looking website, with the words NHS in the title and the words 'Fiona Payne meeting''.

    This file is a trojan virus, my Norton has gone completely mad over it.

    It is as a Virus that relays your computers information back to a third party, which may included keystrokes.

    DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DOWNLOAD THIS WORLD FILE."
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    S./O.

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  9. I thought Gerry was guilty at the time because of his body language of bowing down to the police. Also constant blinking by both parents in interviews suggests they were lying. Most people who have lost a loved one would be distraught and comforting each other. Not these two. And not to believe evidence regarding the sniffer dogs is beyond belief. Has anyone checked the grounds or building of the villa they stayed in after they left the apartment. If not maybe she's there. I believe the boot of their hire car was left open at all times, maybe to get rid of the smell. This is only what i have seen on this website.

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  10. This is all kept out of our British Newspapers and Media. Why is none of this reported in UK Mccanns pay Clarence to keep the media silenced, its a disgrace something should be done about Mccanns.

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  11. Attack is the best defence... To defend them selfes, they attack the investigator that came to close, and knows the truth.. Kate McCann saw a man carrying a child.. Yes, someone did carry Maddie that night, and its easier to tell a lie if some part is true...

    So, i dont think so.. The mcanns did it, i smelled it when i saw the first interview..
    She saw something, bedroom windows open, partying far away from three sleeping kids, cold outside, not cooperating with police, talking alot to the news, starting a Maddie Movement, ... Everything to force their lie on us...

    As a parent my self, i know what ive done, and its mostly opposite from what they did, and are doing..

    If i know im innocent, in any case, it would only matter to me what my closest people believe.. If i know im lying, i would try to make the whole world believe me...
    Isnt that

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  12. Kate attended Mass in Luz whilst she was on holiday. After the disappearance of Maddie Fr. Ze Manuel (the Portuguese Catholic priest) gave her a set of keys to the church so that she could pray in private whenever she felt the need. Sometime later she went to him for confession. Following that, he took the keys from her. He said that he had been deceived. I know Fr. Ze quite well although I am an Anglican in Luz - we share the church.

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  13. @ 12 Did she go to the priest for Confession ? Kate McCann and her hideous partner have no shame at all , neither has Pinky , mind you Pinky is a born LIAR . This case will be solved with the pair of them charged and jailed for the crime one day very soon . Kate McCann and Gerry are shameless as can be proved by their greed for money . They try and silence anyone that challenges them for example DR Amaral , both themselves and the shameless liars we have as "Politicians" in the UK done to a Genuine Police officer in Portugal who was only trying to establish the truth , and for his hard work and honesty they penalised the man ( THATS "BRITISH" JUSTICE" ) The whole lot of them should be in front of a court on charges of deception and corruption . The world saw idiots from SY dig like landscape Gardeners and waste the British Tax Payers money while the UK has Food Banks ! Why haven't the mccanns been taken to Portugal and Charged for Neglect ? Why did the mccanns need the services of a hired Liar namely " Pinky" ? This case has gone viral , there is an interesting video on you tube asking the mccanns questions which I am sure they will not answer as they refused to answer questions put to them by the Portuguese Police 7 years ago .

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  14. LIE DETECTOR...did they ever take one? can they be made to do so? The truth of the lie...... Justice for Madeline I hope these people are brought to justice! Goncalo has striven for so long to prove all and find justice! Surely now the truth must come forth. RIP little girl...so sad for little Maddie:(

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