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The Madeleine Foundation:Tony Bennett on Maurice Boland Talk Radio Europe

Radio Europe – Maurice Boland interviews Tony Bennett, from The Madeleine Foundation

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Maurice Boland: ... Right, we’re going to go straight into our next guest, Interesting this, it certainly is. My guest is (author of) a new book entitled Whatever happened to Madeleine McCann, 60 reasons which suggest she was not abducted. The book was sent to 646 MPs last week. The Madeleine Foundation was set up in January 2008, to try and to ensure that the right lessons were learned from the Madeleine disappearance. Last year Tony, who is my next guest, who is a qualified social worker and a solicitor, wrote a book analysing the facts surrounding the death of Stuart Lubbock at the home of Michael Barrymore - I think he was on the show, I’m not sure whether he was. We’ll find out more when we say good evening and welcome to Spain, Tony.

Tony Bennett: Yes, good evening!

MB: I say, did you join me on the Michael Barrymore story, I think you did last year sometime.

TB: It wasn’t me who joined you – I’m intensely interested in that, but it wasn’t me that was on the show, no.

MB: OK. Right, let’s go into this booklet. First of all, this is a free booklet.

TB: No it’s not free actually, no.

MB: Oh I thought it was sent to 646...

TB: Well, the book retails at £3 including postage in the UK. But the reason it was sent free to the MPs was simply because a suggestion was made by a member of the public that it be sent to all MPs and we had then, within a couple of days through the internet, sixty odd people donated ten, twenty, thirty pounds which paid for the booklet to go to all of the MPs with postage, so it was paid for by members of the public wanting their MPs to read this booklet.

MB: But then, can I ask you Tony, is this just another money-making scheme on this amazing story?

TB: Right, I’ve been asked that many times ..

MB: Well, I’m asking you now..

TB: yes, let me just explain that the retail price of the book is £3, including postage, which means we send it out for something like £2.30 or so. The book is costed only to cover costs. Neither I nor any member of the Foundation has made a penny. In fact, to get the booklet produced at all, we had to pay the printer from our own resources and the whole thing is budgeted at covering our costs only.

MB: Ok so we’ve cleared that up. It is a booklet - let me explain to people it’s not a book it is a booklet – and it’s very much a booklet. Can I ask you this, also – the question I want to ask is just one word – why?

TB: Because this side of the story was not being explained in the British press, it was being suppressed, that the various reasons that I come up with, the various facts that I come up with, were not being printed or discussed in the British press and that’s partly because, as you know, there have been three enormous libel awards made to the McCanns, to Robert Murat and to the Tapas 7 group of friends, which perhaps understandably, restrains the British press from giving, shall we say, these reasons which point away from an abduction and towards something else.

MB: Have you been approached by their lawyers?

TB: Not at all, let me just explain, back in October when our website went live, there was a statement in the press from the McCanns’ spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, that the proposed book was libellous and that our site was libellous. I would just like to inform your listeners that, on October 27thlast year, I wrote to Clarence Mitchell, their spokesman, I wrote to the McCanns themselves and I wrote to three of their lawyers offering to correct any statement on our website that they could prove to be incorrect and offering to change any statement in the proposed booklet, again if they could substantiate that it was incorrect, Five months later I’ve had no replies or acknowledgements to any of those five letters.

MB: OK. Let me ask you also, your interest in the case itself. You were a lawyer, I don’t know if you still practice as a lawyer.

TB: No, I’ve not practiced since 1999

MB: You’re a qualified social worker; tell me what your particular interest in this case is.

TB: Well, in a sense, I haven’t got a particular interest. I think there are hundreds of thousands of people who also share an intense interest in this mystery. So, in a sense, I’m just Joe Public who is as intensely interested in this case as many others. I suppose, to answer your question more specifically, I did spend a lot of time researching a book on the Stuart Lubbock/Michael Barrymore case and I was persuaded after studying all of the police files in that case that there had been a very clever cover-up by the people present that evening and, to be honest, when I started to research the Madeleine McCann story, which was after they became suspects, I began to see some of the very same features of a possible deliberate cover-up.

MB: You see, from what I understand, obviously when this story broke and over the period of time up to now, this radio station and my show, in particular, have covered certain stories and we’ve had guests – we’ve had GMTV down here at one stage, very early on, when they thought she was probably in Spain and they came down and we did a live broadcast from here about it. We’ve had the policeman who, I can’t remember his name now, the inspector who was brought down representing Scotland yard. He came on the show and he made a statement saying number 1, that the suspects, the McCanns as being suspects, is a sort of a botched job by the Portuguese police he alleged, they should have been made suspects immediately and not left for so long, because in all cases like this the first people you clear out of the scenario are the family themselves. And, by leaving it so long, it made the public think, aha, they’ve found something , where in cases like this immediately the family are the first people, are the first suspects and the Portuguese police didn’t do that.

TB: Well, I’m glad you made that point about the parents always being the prime suspects and there are so many cases, in fact, I’ve researched which suggest that when parents of very young children claim that the child has been kidnapped from their own home, one has got to, obviously, be very suspicious of the parents. I think, Mr.Boland, that probably the intense media frenzy which burst on the scene in May probably made the police role particularly difficult against that background of the whole world searching for Madeleine to then suggest that the parents might be under suspicion. So I think what they did was very carefully and meticulously build up pieces of evidence. As you know, as your listeners will know, they brought over the cadaver dogs – the specially trained spaniels – to search the flat and the car for evidence of a corpse having been in those locations, which they did find. And, in the end, the evidence amounted to be sufficient for them to be made suspects and, of course (if I can just add to that), we have the very informative book by Gonçalo Amaral, the original senior investigating officer, who has explained in great detail (much greater than in my book) his basis for believing that Madeleine died in apartment 5a in Praia da Luz.

MB: You see, I spoke to this inspector, I can’t remember his name, he was one of the high profile inspectors which went out from Scotland yard to the case and a couple of things he told me were interesting, first of all I put to him about the smell of death in the car, of Madeleine McCann in the boot of the car, and he explained that to me by saying that the McCanns had taken her clothing, when they left that apartment, in the car and therefore there was traces of her scent from the clothing. He also told me that the police dogs picked up her scent, this was his analysis of it, leaving the apartment to the supermarket . He reckons that her body is somewhere within the region of the apartments. He also said that, the way he saw it, she woke up and tried to go and see her mum and dad, as a frightened kid will do, and walked out of the apartment and, instead of turning right, walked straight to where there’s a supermarket somewhere there and from there on her scent had disappeared and he felt that someone had picked her up from there. And that’s the way he saw it.

TB: I think three basic points that you’re made there, Maurice, and I’ll try and deal with them carefully. Let’s start with the scent that one of the Portuguese dogs found in the early days of Madeleine going, as you quite rightly say, from the apartment to supermarket. Now, as I understand it, and I’m open to correction, but that could be an alive Madeleine or it could be a dead Madeleine. So, yes there was a scent that the dogs found and it stopped at the supermarket. That’s all that we know on that. It doesn’t actually prove whether she was alive or dead. If we now come to the dogs’ evidence, let’s just briefly review that because these dogs, by the way with 100% record, of successfully alerting to a corpse, are called in for a very specific reason and that is to locate where a corpse has been. And, if they find the scent of a corpse it can only be where a corpse has lain. And, also, as you probably know, that corpse can only have been dead for about two hours or longer before that particular scent is available to the dogs. Now let’s just review where that scent was found – it was found in the living room of the McCanns’ apartment; it was found in their bedroom, near the wardrobe; it was found on the verandah and it was found in the garden near the bottom of the steps; it was found on the key to the Renault Scenic that they hired; it was found on the well of the car near the front door; it was also found on two separate items of Kate McCann’s clothing and on a red t-shirt which might have belonged to Madeleine or her younger brother, Sean, and of course it was found on the pink soft toy cuddle cat. Now, all of those things had to be within proximity of a corpse, and in direct proximity with a corpse, so these stories about Kate’s clothes might have been in contact with a dead body in Leicestershire and so on, that’s far too remote. All of those items that I’ve mentioned, those ten items, had to be directly next to a corpse which had been dead for two hours.

MB: Can I ask you, then, first of all, let’s look at the McCanns and the make-up of them as people, both of them are doctors. I don’t think there’s any stories of them being in any way alcoholic, drug takers. They seem to be very grounded people, educated people. They had three young children, they had a group of very loyal friends, they were on holiday. Everything normally points to, on holiday, good times unless you’re some drunk yobbo and falling off hotel balconies after a night binge drinking. I don’t think this is the case at all. Out of that scenario, where does murder come into it?

TB: Well, I’ve – and let’s just make it absolutely clear – I’ve never used the word murder and I’ve never said that the McCann have killed Madeleine, I’ve never that. I go with Gonçalo Amaral’s belief that Madeleine dies from some kind of accident which he hasn’t explained, which is as yet unexplained. I’m sorry, I’ve forgotten the original question now.

MB: Well, I was looking at the McCanns, because most innuendos point to them.

TB: Right, I’m going to leave all of those innuendos up, because they don’t form part of my book at all. But what I think I would like to stress is the evidence we do have of Madeleine crying for 75 minutes, heard by the neighbour Mrs Pamela Fenn. Now let’s leave aside all questions of the McCanns conduct, responsible doctors – fine, yes, out with friends – fine, got no problem with that at all. But, we have factually, on the record, Madeleine being heard crying for 75 minutes continuously on Tuesday, May 1st. Now, that alone tell us that something isn’t, something is not quite right and it’s easy to think of how many different things could happen to a child that’s unattended for that length of time. And if that happened on a subsequent night, it’s possible that all manner of things could have happened, for example, as I think Mr Amaral hints at, she might well have had a fall. She might have been climbing, had a fall and cracked her head on the ceramic tiles – that is a possibility – but please, Maurice, I’ve never suggested murder and I’ve never suggested killing at all.


TB: No doubt, a tragic accident, but one which I think the McCanns must be partly culpable.

MB: OK, let’s just say it’s a tragic accident, for the sake of discussion at the moment. Let’s go back to my observation of the McCanns. Doctors, sensible people, with friends – I put myself into that same – I’m not a doctor but I come from a medical background, family – god forbid it should happen to someone in my family, a child, one of my children or grandchildren, it should happen the first thing that a sensible person, even more so a doctor, would do is immediately call on medical help – not medical help, on some sort of situation to try to put some, some... you know, try to neutralise the situation. In this case, what’s really, what’s being said, if she had died of an accident the body was disposed of. And these are not.. to me, it doesn’t add up here.

TB: I think possibly the word panic might be one explanation.

MB: Why should they panic? They’re doctors.

TB: Well, they’re doctors, and once particular reason why doctors might panic more than others is that - let’s assume that Madeleine did die from an accident when they were not in the flat as one possibility. Let’s assume that as a possibility. They may have returned to find Madeleine dying or dead – and concluded that in those circumstances that any autopsy on Madeleine might well help to prove that they had been negligent. For example, it might have shown that she had been lying there or dead for sufficient time that it’s quite clear that the parents should have been there, should have been there looking after her, so something of that nature, the fear of an autopsy and what it could do to their reputation as doctors might well have.....

MB: OK, we have a call coming, do you mind fielding a call?

TB: Not at all..

MB: Good evening caller...

MM: Good evening, it’s Mary Morris. I just have to say that this is what I’ve been thinking entirely, right from the very beginning. Because as doctors, they were petrified of something that might come out of this death. And, yes, it could have been an accident. But I think they’ve made a very big cover up and so I’m very, very pleased that this man has written this booklet, because I really feel that we should have thought of all this a lot earlier on. You never, ever, ever, leave your children.

MB: OK Thanks Mary

MM: Thanks Bye

MB: On that point, would mind me making a little point of that, Tony, on the point of leaving your children. I’ve admitted this before and I don’t mind admitting it, because it’s a fact. When my kids were young, possibly the same age as Madeleine McCann – I had three boys and we had a mobile holiday home in a place called Brittas Bay, just outside Dublin in Wicklow. It was a very nice area this place where we were, it was called McDaniel's, and we had a lot of friends who had these – they were very big mobile, you know what they’re like, you don’t pull them behind a car mobile home – and it was a very well know place, and we all had these mobile homes and in the middle of this huge field, there was tennis courts and barbecue areas . We’d put the kids to bed and we’d walk down to the middle of the field and we’d have a barbecue. And now and again, my wife would go up or I’d go up and check the children were OK. Now anyone could have gone in – I don’t think I was any greater distance than the distance they were having their barbecue – and one never thinks of some man going into the caravan and removing my children.

TB: Can I ask you – was your mobile home, or caravan, within sight of where you were?

MB: It was, yeah. And, from what I understand, it was in sight when they were eating in the restaurant, no?

TB: Well, I think that’s a common misunderstanding – they’re very much not. The actual distance as the crow flies was around 60 yards, 60 metres something like that. The actual walking distance was 120 yards, but the actual room where the children were was on the other side of the apartment where they could not be seen. So, I think that’s one difference from your account. But the other point is this. You said that you were checking from time to time on the children – you would have done that, any responsible parent would have done that. But how are we to account for Madeleine crying for 75 minutes continuously. Now that wouldn’t have happened on your example on the camping site in Ireland, would it?

MB: No it wouldn’t have. Let me ask you about the person who heard her crying for 75 minutes. What do we know about that person?

TB: Her name is Mrs Pamela Fenn, she was a permanent resident in Praia da Luz, she occupied the apartment immediately above, she’s a widow aged 82 and it’s also been reported, it’s in her statement that she made to the Portuguese police which has been released, of course. It’s one of the reasons that we can write the books like this, because the Portuguese police have released a lot of information. She had been discussing this with other friends who, apparently, were not surprised that she heard the children crying, because they’d heard the children crying on a previous night as well. So....

MB: It doesn’t seem to be a very responsible act on behalf of the parents. I have, personally – and I’m only talking personally – and Mary, who just phone now, doesn’t agree with me at all, I’m sure of that, but I don’t see now, my mind has changed and of course the world has changed a lot since my kids were young, more mad people out there etc, etc. But I still could not condemn the McCanns for going to the restaurant – and I’m sure there are a lot of people in that restaurant that had very young kids that were in bed that night. I can’t condemn them for that. But, it seems to me to be odd – if there was a person, and especially a woman of that age, you know more mature and more responsible, hearing a child, a very young child, crying – and one would imagine quite frantically – for one hour, one would imagine she would have at least gone downstairs and see if that child is OK.

TB: Now, you’re taxing my memory of the facts in this case and I’m pretty certain that at some stage she reported her concerns to Mark Warner’s, possibly the following morning, I don’t think it was that night, but with hindsight, I would certainly agree with you on that point, that if she heard that for 75 minutes one would think that she might have done something about it. I wouldn’t like to listen to that for more than 5 to 10 minutes without doing something about it.

MB: A woman of her age is normally, you know, people of that age are – younger people, “ahh leave them alone, they’re fine”, but a woman of that age is quite curious and if I was sitting in my garden and my neighbours had a child in her garden who was crying, distressed, for over one hour I would go next door and ring the bell and say is the child OK. This confuses me slightly – and the fact that the child could have slipped and banged its head and died and two parent s would come back - and probably, I’m sure, adored their children – then discuss a dumping a body. It does make me worry.

TB: As I say, I can’t comment further on Mrs Fenn’s reasons for not reporting ...

MB: She is the key to this whole thing.

TB: Well, she’s not the key, what she does is she tells us the children were unattended for at least 75 minutes.

MB: And what do the McCanns say about checking the children?

TB: Well, I don’t think we’ve had the .. I mean they admit to having left those children several nights in a row, that’s on the record. As to the checking of the children, they have made different claims. In the early days , we heard that they were checking every 15 minutes, sometimes every 30 minutes. Then we were told every hour. We had all these different versions. All I would say is that erm, well let me take you to the evidence of the waiters at the Tapas bar. There are statements from the waiters at the Tapas bar where they went every night, and those waiters have said on the record that they never saw the McCanns and their friends checking on their children at all. So, I would take that into account the McCanns claim that they were checking on their children....

MB : How many people were in the Tapas bar do we know?

TB: I can’t help with that, there were certainly some other families....

MB: I would say it was probably packed, because it’s the middle of the tourist season, yeah?

TB: err yes,

MB: I don’t think a waiter would remember if Mrs McCann went up or someone got up – and they could have gone to the toilet. How many times did Mrs McCann go to the toilet, I’d ask the waiter. I think it’s an incredible thing that statement, I would say. How many times were you sitting in a restaurant – I ran restaurants for 25 years , and clubs, I would never know how many times a woman went to the toilet form a certain table. Never mind going and checking on children. You know I just think that’s very weak.

TB: Arguably they were checking their children...

MB: OK let’s say they were. As I would do and possibly other parents, you know – have you got children?

TB: I’ve got 2 children and 1 grandchild, yes.

MB: Well, I’ve got 3 children, 2 grandchildren and 1 on the way even , but I’m just thinking you know – you go to this holiday resort which is like a little white village, if you want, it’s not a village it’s, what do you call it, apartment blocks and it’s got a swimming pool in the middle and it’s got Tapas bar restaurant where people sit and drink and you can normally see the apartments – and it’s the same here in Spain, you can see all of the apartments around and you go and sit – it’s like if you had a big garden and you have your barbecue at the bottom of the garden, and you go up and you keep looking at your children and someone slipped in and took your child, would you then be told that you were neglecting your child? I mean in Tenerife, there’s a missing child, a grandmother was inside doing the housework, her grandson was playing in the garden and when she came out to get him the grandchild was gone, abducted.

TB: I understand all of what you are saying there. I would like to just briefly mention that the NSPCC have got specific guidelines on the leaving of young children, and they do say on their own website, in their own guidance, that you should never leave young children on their own even for a few minutes. Now, I think the situation you mentioned on your holiday in the mobile home is somewhat different in that you were within vision of that caravan and it was a space where you would notice a stranger and so on. But these doctors were, they claimed to be checking every half an hour – it’s a long time to leave a child 130 yards away in a room where you can’t see them.

MB: You know, the funny thing is you don’t imagine, the reason that the parents are checking that their children are not waking up and are not frightened, you know, and the last thing you ever think of is that your child could die. It’s beyond reason. And of course since the Madeleine McCann case, the one thing that we’ve all learned from this is do not leave out children for one minute and if we are going to go out, go and get a baby sitter. That’s what we’ve learnt from this lesson.

TB: I’m glad you said that, that is the lesson that’s been learned. It’s not a lesson that the McCanns have invited us to adopt though. What they’ve been proclaiming is the need for all these types of amber alerts and these alert systems to abduction, but I would be glad if people do take from this terrible situation that’s happened to Madeleine, the message is don’t leave your children on their own. The McCanns claimed, if you remember, that what they’d done was well within the bounds of responsible parenting, that was a quote from them. And they’ve never, ever , as far as I’m aware on the record, said, look, please parents, don’t leave your children on their own like we did.

MB: Yeah, but that’s you know, that’s a really difficult thing for them to be saying. That goes without saying. If these were two uneducated people – you know the type that go away and they wear these union jack shorts and they have bottles of beer, lots of it, all day and then you see them - he’s quite heavy the man and he’s diving into the pool and they’re making a nuisance of themselves and they’re singing songs and getting absolutely legless at night and their kids are up in the apartment and you know – but here we’re talking about educated people with three young children with everything in their live s, I mean, you look at the home where they come from, there’s nothing within their personality that could ever – could you, can I ask you this, could you pick your grandchild, what age is your grandchild?

TB: three and a quarter.

MB: There you are, and what age was Madeleine?

TB: Just over that, three and three quarters.

MB: God forbid anything could happen, could you pile her body in a car and dump it?

TB: Well.....

MB: I’d rather go to prison...

TB: I know. Well, I share the care of my grandson, I look after him quite a lot and I don’t let him out of my sight for a second, actually. But I come back to this point Maurice, if I was responsible in some way for him suffering an accident, if that were to happen, I might well panic, I might well make up a cover story, as you said in the introduction to this programme, as happened many, many times in the past. Something happens through your negligence or your carelessness...

MB: OK you make up a cover story, but throwing a child over the side of a mountain...one second, we’ve got a call. Good afternoon caller.

Colin: What I’d just like to say is that for police officers to go to a scene of a crime it’s a very difficult thing for them to do, especially when there was no body. The only thing that they could go on is statements from different people. And to try and trace back what happened to a little child was very difficult, and the press did not help because the press said, basically, these stupid police officers of Portugal, and tried to discredit them because this couldn’t happen to two doctors. And, as slowly, little bits of information are coming out – I mean, my two children were born here in Spain and they’re 19 and 16 now, but we never left them once. If we ever went to a restaurant and we never had the children with us, the people in the restaurant would say don’t you enjoy your children, we went everywhere with them and we enjoyed them...

MB: You see in Spain, that’s encouraged, that’s the lovely thing about Spain, families here in Spain, unlike in UK, will go with their children – their 3 year old, their 4 year old – at 10. 11 o’clock at night and go into restaurants and it’s encouraged. It’s very different back in UK.

Caller: But this wasn’t in the UK, this was...

MB: But these people were on holiday from UK, they weren’t brought up here, if you know what I mean

Colin: I’m sure in that Tapas bar there were other little children, but even so, there’s a lot of funny things coming out. But I’m sure that the case at the time, if there wasn’t this deluge of criticism on the way the police – and these guys are professional people, they want to find the truth, they’re.... that guy was so upset about the little child missing and not finding her – and they can only go on the evidence that’s in front of them and the statements that were in front of them. They had a very difficult time and, of course, the press were saying two English doctors must be telling the truth. Well, there’s some very funny things coming out now. I mean, personally, my personal opinion – and I hate to have to say this – but I do hope the little child has died because I would hate to think that she is in a paedophile situation.

MB: OK we have more calls coming in – you don’t mind taking calls do you? Good evening caller

Bertha: Hi Maurice, it’s Bertha. I find it a bit offensive that you say that because they are doctors and because they are of a certain standing in society, that they’re not capable of being irresponsible.

MB: I didn’t say... what I did say was that they were doctors, they weren’t big drinkers, they’re educated people – the make up to me, this is only my personal view, the make up didn’t seem to be the type of people who would take their young child and throw it over the side of a cliff.

Bertha: Maurice, none of us know how we would react if our personal neglect of our children led to one of their deaths. I can’t even imagine how I would react.

MB: It’s a good point, it’s a good point

Bertha: But to suggest that because they are of a certain standing in society that they’re not capable of irresponsibility is ridiculous, I mean, look what’s happening to the world at the moment – all of these professional men have rolled this country and all other countries into diabolical financial situations. Now if you want to judge people on their standing in society, I think that’s a prejudice that needs to be looked at.

MB: Well maybe it’s a good point, but I do say that it needs the two of them to tango, if you know what I mean.

Bertha: They acted irresponsibly, they left their children and unfortunately the child has paid with her life.

MB: OK, thanks for your call. Tony, it’s very emotive, of course it’s very emotive and I think people will agree to disagree in this case until it’s solved and the longer it goes on, and there’s no body and we’ve heard of people being arrested and charged without bodies. In the case of the McCanns, or whoever it might be, neglect – they did talk about, in Portugal, is a case where they could have ended up in prison. What happened with that?

TB: I’m not sure if you’re aware of this Maurice, but I did, rather controversially, attempt to bring a prosecution against the McCanns back in November 2007, under the 1933 Children’s and Young Persons’ Act for child neglect and it was on the basis that they had left their children neglectfully, left them for substantial periods of an evening without being there. The prosecution was refused on the grounds that court thought that the jurisdiction might be in Portugal rather than the United Kingdom, that was the trigger that led to the foundation of the Madeleine Foundation because when I did that there was an overwhelming response, my email box was full from hundreds of people all round England and beyond, who said “Look, thank you for doing this, these doctors placed Madeleine McCann in a vulnerable situation and they should be prosecuted like anybody else” and many people said that if they’d been working class people on a council estate, they would definitely have been prosecuted.

MB: We have another call, we’ll have to take this one as the last one. Good evening caller.

Jack: Good evening Maurice, this is Jack. You know, there’s a question here – there were two other children in the family. It was never mentioned – didn’t they wake up and cry, didn’t they feel something, see something ?

MB: Well one would imagine that if their sister was crying for one hour , that 2 children would wake up. It’s a good point.

Jack: Right, right and there’s never been a mention of the reaction of the two other children in this case.

TB: Can I come in there? Dr Kate McCann said, in an interview about ten months ago, that on the morning of the 3rd May, said that Madeleine came to her and said that she and Sean had been crying the night before. I don’t know if you recall that, but that was stated by Dr Kate McCann herself that her two children had apparently been crying the night before so there was a reference to another child there. One point that I didn’t make earlier, briefly, was that it’s on the record that the McCanns refused to pay for a baby monitor to visit the children on a regular basis. They gave a couple of reasons for doing that, first of all they said they didn’t want strangers looking after their children and secondly, they claimed that their own system of checking on the children was superior to that of the baby monitor.

MB: They might have believed that. OK thanks Jack. We’re going to have to wrap up. Fascinating subject that it is. Look website wise, what can our listeners get on to?

TB: Very simple http://www.madeleinefoundation.org

MB: Brilliant, well thanks for joining us on this show an let’s hope that this will trigger something off, after all let her soul rest in peace, that somehow somewhere along that this can be solved and we can find out where her body or where she is and the case can be concluded.

TB: I very much hope so, yes.

MB: Thanks very much for joining us.

Tony Bennett gives details about the 10 locations where Eddie the cadaver springer spaniel alerted to the scent of a corpse in the McCanns' apartment, in their hired car, on their clothes etc. - plus footage of the dogs in action in Praia da Luz.

Many Thanks to Mr. Tony Bennet, for The Madeleine Foundation & for the admirable fight for Justice for Madeleine Beth McCann, many thanks as well to Photon for the full transcript, and to Djorn and Duarte Levy for their initial transcript.

"What really happened to Madeleine McCann? - 60 Reasons which suggest she was not abducted", available at The Madeleine Foundation


  1. Unbelievable that a radio network
    gives TB the attention he seeks, for his booklet, based on wrong and not confirmed information: he can't even proof a thing. There is no evidence that the little girl is no longer alive.
    This is just hurting the family of Madeleine and harming the investigations to her whereabouts, 'cause people will stop looking for Madeleine as they are to believe she is dead. This is so wrong!

  2. Poor Mrs.Fenn! Now she is criticized for doing nothing while she heard a child crying for over an hour. How does M. Boland know what she did or didn't do? Maybe she called M.Warner's reception and complained...I remember there were rumours of the M.Warner staff going to get the Tapas 9 from a pub and tell them that other guests complained about the kids crying endlessly on a previous night. I'm not sure if this happened or if it is another forum myth, though.
    I wish Mr. Bennett would have mentioned the unlocked patio doors and how contradictory the McCann reason for not hiring a babysitter was - they did not want to leave the children with strangers - the same strangers that they were left with all day long, for all days of the holiday, the nannies of the Kids Club! For some reason they didn't want anyone in the apartments at night...why?...

  3. Bravo to Tony Bennett and The Madeleine Foundation for their professionalism in the pursuit of truth and justice in this case. I have read the booklet and great care was taken to be fair and factual. The fact that the McCanns and their lawyers did not respond to Mr. Bennett's requests for them to submit any corrections to it before publication speaks volumes.

    I am grateful to those who continue to work toward a solution to the case of missing Madeleine McCann and discovering and proving the truth of what happened to her.

  4. Anonymous 6.53 hs got up very early this morning.


    Why shouldn't that radio network not give Mr. Bennett the attention he seeks?
    Must all the attention from the media be given only to the Mccanns?

    Mr. Bennett asked 5 people (involved in this case) to correct him, if he would publish something wrong.

    In 5 months, no reaction.
    Nobody believes anymore Maddie was abducted.

    This is past time.

    Mr. Bennett has a very good theory.

    By the way, 6.53hs, what about the cadaver scent in so many places, the inconsistencies and no recontruction of the evening May the 3rd?
    The Smiths?

    How is the weather in England right now?

  5. I read the transcript, it was obvious the DJ was trying despertely to defend the McCanns and destroy Tony,s theories..Interesting that the callers were not as sympathetic as the Host.
    Lets hope that from this more people become interested in the real facts of the case.
    I am frull of admiration for Tony, what he is doing is commendable and what others in position of authority in this case should be doing.

  6. I think there must be holes in the information the PJ released.
    The PJ are not telling us everything they know.
    If there was cadaver scent down under the stairs, behind the sofa, in the sleeping room,in kates clothes, we can calculate more or less at what time she died.

    -at least one and half hour before the cadaver scent manifests itself.
    - at least 20 minutes in each different place after it manifests.
    One and a half>>>>>>>>>>90 min.
    behind sofa>>>>>>>>>>>>>20 min.
    sleeping room>>>>>>>>>>>>20min.
    in Kate's arms>>>>>>>>>>>>20 min.
    under the stairs>>>>>>>>>>20 min.
    Total>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>170 minutes or
    3 hours.
    10.00 pm: the Smiths go home.
    The child could have died at 7.00 pm.And if 10 minutes would be enough to inpregnate the space around, she could have died at 7.40 pm.
    At least, she could not have died after 8.30.pm.No time enough for cadaver scent.
    If she fell down the stairs, there was still day light.
    As far as I know, the police did not find any DNA on the stairs and such a fall leaves traces behind.Even a little bit of (washed up )blood(dog).People on the street would see them washing it up.I don't remember Amaral talking about the stairs.
    If she died at 7 pm, at least one of the parents was at home at that moment.Maybe they put her corpse down the stairs and changed their mind later.Afraid of the autopsy.
    In my opinion, she died before 8.30
    and the parents knew it before they left to the Tapas.
    She could even have died before 7.00 pm and not yet dressed up in pyjamas.

  7. "...cause people will stop looking for Madeleine..."

    Why don't you do it yourself?

    It is high time to start, instead of sending people to do it for you.

  8. The reaction of the first anonymous above shows the McCann are not so powerful as they want us to believe.
    Otherwise this anonymous would not have reacted on this interview, repeating Gerry's words at the UK Parliament.


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